So if you were building a franchise, which one of these types of players would you start your franchise with? I am labeling them/describing them based on an "ideal" desire at each position and "ideal" desired characteristics, and not necessarily describing any particular NBA player today. (if that makes any sense).
Anyhow, here are the choices, and consider all of them to be the same age of 24 years old and in their prime:
1) A 6'2 200lbs Point Guard. A PG that puts up 20PPG 10APG, shoots 45%FG, 38%3FG, 75%FT. A decent defender and puts up 1.5 SPG.
2) A 6'7 210lbs Shooting Guard/Small Forward. A SG/SF that puts up 25PPG, 6RPG, 5APG. and shoots 47%FG, 38% 3FG, 85% FT. An excellent wing defender and a borderline 1st team All Defense, and puts up 1.75SPG and 1.25 BPG. An Elite athlete, makes the highlights every night, which means he is a nightly draw everytime he plays and sells out tickets.
3) A 7'1 265lbs Center. A Center that puts up 15PPG 10RPG BUT averages 3.50BPG and is a perennial contender for Defensive player of the year pretty much every season. Not an elite scorer, but can anchor a defense all by himself. Shooting percentages are 55%FG, a non factor at the 3pt range, and shoots a weak 55% FT. A decent passer and unselfish averaging about 4APG which is excellent for a Center.
I'm going with number 2
I'll take the 3rd. They are harder to come by.
I think I made # 2 sound a little too good.
But we'll see which position people really value the most PG,SG/SF, or C
I'm a firm believer in big defensive players but #2 is just too good to turn down.
Recent history makes number two the obvious choice. The last decade of championship teams had really good 2gaurds or Small forwards. The game is dominated at the wing now days they control the ball more on offense and have to work harder on D. Big men still need good gaurd play to give them the ball.
Because of what jaysmith said
going with number 2. if number 3 was a more dominant offensive forces aswell id go 3 but 2 has been more capable of winning championships in recent years.
basically i read this as who would you rather have a YOUNG:
a. Derrick rose
If its the physical hand checking 80's, i'd choose C) but in todays game it'd be a. or b. probably b)
hmmm number two. If i can get a player like number two to build around, thats like building around a james or durant.
#3 seems like a Bill Russell type of Player. Every GM would love to have this guy. Remember the Durant VS Oden from a couple of years ago
Every recent championship team has had a big man down low....
Lakers-Gasol 18.3Pts 11.3Reb 1.7Blk
Lakers-Gasol 18.9Pts 9.6Reb 1.1Blk
Celtics-Garnett 18.8Pts 9.2Reb 1.3Blk
Spurs-Duncan 20Pts 10.6Reb 2.4Blk
Heat-Shaq 20Pts 9.2Reb 1.8Blk
Spurs-Duncan 20.3Pts 11.1Reb 2.6Blk
Before that it was the Pistons (Wallace) and the Lakers 3-peat (Shaq)
What did Kobe win between Shaq and Gasol?
What has Wade won without Shaq?
LeBron hasn't won anything either.
Give me the big man....
I think a 3 would be good too, cuz you know their offensive games pick up a little bit later in their maturation process. maybe eventually within a few years hed bud into a 18-20 ppg 11-13 rpg guy? Then its a no brainer.
@DanEBoy i see what your saying but those guys aren't the 15ppg 10rpg he mentioned as option 3, they are elite level players. Where as option 2 can be linked to Bryant, Wade, Pierce (maybe Allen) as well as Rip had about 20ppg the championship year.
JJeff makes a point, are these numbers their rookie season or career best sort of numbers?
Every recent Champion has also had a very good guard/forward as well. Give me number 2
If you guys read my post again, I clearly stated that all players are 24yrs old and in their prime.
No one has mentioned that the center I'm describing is also a hell of a passer (4apg).
#2 sounds tantalizing but choice #1 and #3 are premium positions.
#1 isnt always necessary for a championship though: see Los Angeles lakers and Miami Heat
Seems every title team had a big man AND a guard. I do notice Dan didn't mention the recent title winning Pistons who had a guard as there Finals MVP. Other than Duncan and Shaq werent all the other finals MVP's guards??
Either 2 or 3. If I could have both then thats what I would do. But if I had to chose 1 then I'd probably go with 3 because those type of players are very hard to come by, yet so important. You can't win a championship without a defensive minded Center like #3.
I did mention the Pistons.....and Ben Wallace was a major factor in their title..9.5Pts 12.4reb 3Blk
And again, Kobe may have won Finals MVP but he couldn't win atitle without Shaq or Gasol.....that is just a fact.
Definitely number two, an elite athlete that can score with 25 PPG but can pass (5 APG) which shows they can be unselfish and find the open man, can rebound ( 6 RPG) very well for a wing and shoots well from the field, respectable from three and is a great free throw shooter which is good when you need someone to go to at the end of games. Also being a great defensive player means not only can they make key offensive plays but can also defend and make key defensive plays to help seal games or get his team the win.
And Gasol and shaq wouldn't win it without Kobe and thats a fact so what you saying??
Ben was a major factor but the main factor was clearly Chauncy hence the Finals MVP
I am saying that the chicken came before the egg Quincey.
And sometimes, when life hands you lemons, you make a gin and tonic.
And a day without sunshine, is like, well night.
If you can't convince them, confuse them.
You win Quincey..I'm out
Point being The big men needed the Guards the Guards needed the Big men. One doesn't seem more important then the other
I want to say #3, but you made #2 way too good.
I saw #3 and instantly thought Dikembe Mutombo
I keep seeing what did kobe do without shaq and gasol but what did they do before kobe. The answer no rings for either of them before Kobe. Shaq has one without kobe while kobe has two lets not try to make it seen like gasol is best player on team because he is just an excellent second option without kobe he is brook lopez a scoring big man who doesnt rebound like you expect a 7footer. As far as picking option number 3 a big man can be as dominant as he wants to be but will not win without a gaurd look at Wilt chamberlien most dominant big men only one ring to show were you can have good gaurd play and rebounding bigs or a big with one skill. All jordans big men were role players who grabbed rebounds and hit open layups but he has six rings so i take two all day lets not forget iverson made to finals with a aging dikembe mutumbo.
Give me number three. scorers also are easier to come by then anchors. And it only takes one wing prospect to match up with him.
I will have all of these options please
give me the first option
actually give me the second option, change my mind
I feel a little different. I say start with option number 1#. This because I need a select leader of my team first and foremost. The captain is the command center of a crew. A point guard is crucial just like all the other options, but I'mma go with the first. Because thats how I'd start my franchise off.
I'll take Jordan thanks (option 2).
Jordan was better than option number 2 lol
Number 2 sounds a lot like Grant Hill in his pistons days...and since he didn't win in the playoffs...I'll go with three
number 2 most def. sounds like a such a well round player who could play the 1-3 position, scores, can pass handle, rebound, play d. id go with him, kind of lime building around t mac.
#2 sound like lebron james in cleveland.. he made a huge impact but no rings....
I take # 3
It is hard find big guys
think about how many good centers there are today. im talkin true real centers. not many at all. But if i can get me a really good center that can do what ur saying then hell yea gimme that guy
Give me #2, he can do it all and all he needs is a big man that can defend and rebound consistently and thats a championship level team. #3 sounds good, but it also sounds like he would need a dominant wingman next to him to be the 1st option for him to have success
Sabonis with quality wing players around him, I'll take him.
hmmm would the 80's celtics have won more championships with MJ rather than Chief? would the 90's bulls have won more championships with alonzo mourning rather than MJ? based on the #'s in the OP example, #2 is a HOF talent and anyone would be insane to pass that up for a 15/10 guy. i mean 15ppg basically means that you have a center who cant really create his own offence - if he had dream post moves, or admiral quickness he'd be 20+ and 10. I dont want to start my team with someone who cant create his own shot consistently. 15ppg is a guy who picks up a lot of garbage baskets, hits the odd baby hood/fadeaway and catches some oops...#2 is easily the best choice