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Stan Van Gundy

Don't if y'all guys seen the comments Stan Van Gundy about bout the Wizards and John Wall but here's a link.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/02/stan-van-gundy-says-jo...


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I agree with him.

I agree with him.

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Ditto... Only I get negged

Ditto...

Only I get negged when I say it. :)

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so far... john wall hasn't

so far... john wall hasn't been around a winning culture since college.... I certainly feel he has superstar potential and is still very very young.... he has all the tools and he seems eager to improve

even w/o john wall... im not sure how many ppl expected the wizards to be this bad (4-26)..... somewhat convinced that john wall plays a huge part for them on the court, maybe bigger than ppl actually expected.... though even with him there likely still not a playoff team

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Way to stomp on the only hope

Way to stomp on the only hope Wizards fans have left Van Gundy.

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Stan speaking the truth

Stan speaking the truth

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disagree

I agree with some of Stan's comments but not all of them. The Wizards have stunk on ice for the whole time Wall has been there, he has been hurt the whole time he's been there, and this offseason the Wizards made some of the stupidest moves any rebuilding team has ever made. Let's give John some health and pieces around him, then begin to judge his ability to be a franchise PG.

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That is what this year was

That is what this year was supposed to be about. Wall is eligible for an extension this summer, and even if Washington pushes off the extension it is still an issue they need to address. The team underwent a character and idiot purging to see whether John Wall can thrive if not surrounded by complete fools. Well, Wall hasn't been healthy. That is the luck of the Wiz. It doesn't make Wall a worse player, and the fact that the Wizards have had unspeakably bad guard play doesn't make him better. He is the same unknown that he was at the end of last year. It is something they have to find out, and even if Wall can have a great (just a guess at this point) half season and gets Washington to win half their games they are already 20 games under. They are going to have lottery balls galore anyway, and probably in the mix for Muhammad/Zeller/McLemore.

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No way should Washington be

No way should Washington be 4-26 even if Wall is out and Nene missed a lot of games, the summer trades were strange as they gave up cap room when surely better deals were on the table. They had cleared all the knuckleheads out and it was said that Nene as a skilled big certainly assisted Wall compared to McGee although Nene has a hefty contract going forward.

As regards the draft, I cannot see them taking another guard when they have Wall and Beal in place, Bazz as an SF/SG would make sense as he could play a fair bit at SF. Zeller would be a safe pick and alongside Nene would be a skilled frontcourt whilst they might hope to get something for Okafor who will be an expiring deal next year.

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I think the better way to say

I think the better way to say it is that he isn't franchise calibre YET. Westbrook and Rose weren't in there seconds seasons either.

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This is John Walls third

This is John Walls third season.

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And he hasn't played a game.

And he hasn't played a game. Still have to wait and see.

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I agree with everything SVG

I agree with everything SVG said except I think its crazy to write off Wall as a franchise PG and I certainly think you can build around a player who came into tje league at 19 and has averaged atleast 16 and 8 his first two years.

I never liked the Nene trade, I thought McGee and Wall had great chemistry and McGee might be eccentric with a low BB IQ but hes got a great work ethic and isnt injury prone like Nene.

The Wiz dont even try, Nene and Okafor down low should be able to grind out a few wins but they only play li,e 20 mins a game telling me Randy Wittmam should be fired li,e last year and management is tanking.

Im not the biggest fan of the Beal pick, hes gonna be good but the Wiz need a finisher to take over games at the end. I was saying during and before and after that Waiters was just as good a prospect cuz Waiters despite popular belief is a better shooter, and can take over games at the end. Plus Waiters is a better playmaker on offense and defense and can relieve Wall of some ball handling duty. Wall could also learn from Waiters how to slow down and read PnR better, not saying Waiters has some amazing BB IQ but his cnange of speed ability is wat makes him so special.

I also thought Barnes was the best pure shooter in the lotto, and combined with his athleticism, work etnic, and character would of been probably the perfect fit next to Wall goin forward outside of MKG.

If you would consider Westbrook a player to build around then there no way you can say Wall isnt. Theyre very

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Was a BIG John Wall fan

But he's been a disappointment. Say what you will about not having a team built around him, but Kyrie didn't either. And he's been better in my opinion.

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I do undertsand

that he was surrounded by knuckleheads like McGee, Young, and Blatche. They were all mentally immature. What makes Wall any different. He has IMMENSE potential, no one denies that. But he's just as immature as the latter.

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uhh...what did he do? Wall

uhh...what did he do? Wall doesn't have that reputation, and he hasn't really done much wrong to be honest.

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People might be saying that

People might be saying that Blake Griffin wasnt a player the Clippers could build around,if CP3 hadnt went there..And just like Griffin,Wall is an elite athletic talent that has yet to learn the finer points of the game....Like Wall needs to work on his halfcourt game and his jumper...Blake needs a post game....But both players are still are capable of posting outstanding stats and taking over games,just becuz they are so talented.....

Wall should take notice of how Derrick Rose went from being an elite talent to MVP..Rose worked on his outside shot,became a better defender and leader..........

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Despite what people think,

Despite what people think, Rose was an elite shooter from the mid range (especially in his rookie and 2nd seasons) . He was even better than Durant.

Rose had improved his 3pt shooting though. But Wall was shooting 30% (1.7 shots a game) in his rookie season which is about the same as derrick rose in the 4th season. For some reason he dropped to 7% his second season.

I have to ask how in the world does that happen?

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Derrick Rose at no point in

Derrick Rose at no point in his college/NBA career has been a better shooter than Kevin Durant.

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I didn't say he was a better

I didn't say he was a better shooter overall. I said he shot a better percentage from the mid range.

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"Despite what people think,

"Despite what people think, Rose was an elite shooter from the mid range (especially in his rookie and 2nd seasons) . He was even better than Durant."

Maybe you didn't mean to say it, but you did say it.

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I said the same thing a few months ago...

I mentioned this last year. John Wall is a great athlete but when I watch him play he does things with no purpose. If he cannot out run you to the basket and out "athletic you" he struggles. I watch other great PG's and the common denominator is that they play the game at a controlled pace. You cannot speed them up and they change speeds and have the ability to break the defense down. John Wall plays at 1 speed and is often out of control. Compounding the problem is that he really isn't a consistent shooter. When I posted about him last year the question no one really answered is what does John Wall do at an elite level today?

Is he an elite passer (i.e. Rondo)?

Is he an elite defender?

Is he an elite scorer (i.e. Kyrie )?

When I watch him play he is just out there playing and I see no purpose in the things he attempts to do.

Also, (and watch this when he returns) for being such an athlete he really doesn't have the kind of handle that gets him where he wants to go anytime he wants to get there. He has 1 move....an exaggerated right to left or left to right cross over (he hops into his cross over) and if that does not work he has no secondary move (other than a spin move in the paint) to change directions. In pick and roll situations he does not seem to understand how to read the help or the hedging defender.

In games where he is successful the game is either up and down or he gets points because of a high usage rate in a game where the Wizards are getting beat soundly.

So in short (lol) Stan Van Gundy is correct. The Wizards need another guy to put Wall is his proper role as a player. He needs to compliment a star not be a team's star. In fact Wall would be exceptional as his team's 3rd best player.

Note: Players can improve. John Wall is 22 years old so obviously he has a long road ahead of him. But he has to learn that PG (like QB in football) is a leadership position and one played from the neck up. He cannot continue to depend on simply being faster than everyone to be successful.

Plan for Wall:
A) Work on Jump shot: Becoming a more consistent shooter will open up the floor for him.
B) Understand better what the defense is trying to do to him and his teammates. Watch more film of great PG's.
C) Learn to change speeds. Less is more. Speed in the game of basketball is over-rated. Basketball is a game of change of direction and change of speed and not necessarily how fast you can go in a straight line.
D) With his length become a nasty defender. With his length (he is a long PG) he should bother opposing guards more.

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Great post.

Great post.

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John Wall needs to move to

John Wall needs to move to another team, with hall of fame talent or a bunch of veterans that were once VERY GOOD players especially at his position. He needs an incredible teacher of a coach. Washington's team is a complete mess. Their only chance is if they rebuild through the draft. If they can get a Nerlens Noel, or a Shabazz Muhammed, they have a very good core to build around in John Wall, Bradley Beal and either Noel or Muhammed. No1 will want to come to Washington that is a serious title contributor, they gotta build through the draft. In a sense their injury plague could also be a blessing because of their worse record would put them a better spot up the draft lottery to get talent.

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The Wizards key could be

The Wizards key could be seeing what Beal and Wall can do as a tandem, until we see them in operation together we don't know how well they could compliment each others' games. The roster tried to add some mature guys like Nene, Okafor and Ariza but through injuries things haven't worked out and what we thought would be a core rotation of Wall, Crawford, Beal, Webster, Ariza, Vesley, Okafor, Nene, Seraphin and Booker has never been together one this season.

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More Comments on Wall..

I've read some indicate that Wall needs a change of scenery. I disagree with that statement. For one the Wizards traded many of the guys considered immature and to be a bad influence on Wall or the culture in Washington. Secondly, that does not change who he is as a player. It just places him in a different environment with the same game.

Lillard is a rookie PG without the athleticism of Wall...but you cannot speed him up and he plays at HIS pace and takes the defender and defense where he wants them to go. There is an art to that and Wall has not mastered this art. And the bad thing about that is that it is really hard to teach that.

When I hear Wall speak I'm not sure he truly understands what he even needs to get better at or what his identity is as a player. To me John Wall should watch Jason Kidd (prime Kidd). Impact the game as a defender, rebounder, playmaker. Instead it sounds like he sees himself as a scoring PG. He will never be the passer that Kidd is but he should look to impact the game in that way. Be more of a leader, a get dirty type of PG. And when he tries to score I'm not sure he understands how he best scores. There are just observations.

A great coach/teacher can help him and show him the way. I hope that all I have said about Wall is not true by next year because he really appears to want to do the right things. That is a great positive. Wall appears to be a great kid.

Wall needs to understand who he is. I love that Rondo knows he is not a scorer. He certainly has had some big scoring games but he understands his value is in his nastiness and ability to get his teammates open shots.

Kyrie is a scorer. He needs to develop other parts of his game but there is an obvious elite skill that he has.

Wall needs to discover something that he can do at an elite level and do it to the point where it impacts winning.

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Honestly im stunned at how

Honestly im stunned at how many people agree. There was no telling people Wall wasnt going to be the best PG in the league 2 years ago. Id get berated for saying Holiday is a better PG.

Wall is the fastest player to come in the league since Iverson, and like AI gets buckets on pure speed. But he should watch tapes of AI because despite being the fastest player the league has ever saw, he also knew how to slow down and change speeds. Maybe this came from his days as a top rated.QB, but AI redefined change of pace speed. Hed go from 0-150 in the blink of an eye, stop, and do it again while weaving through traffic. Wal has this same potential because of how rare his speed is. And people said similar things about how you couldnt win with AI til Larry Browm proved wit the right gameplan rare talent can be harnessed.

We knew Wall was raw coming into the league. Do you guys know Wall has been wor,ing
with Sam Cassell on all these obvious holes? Cassel owned tje mid range and was a master at picking his shots.and.tempo. I believe once Wall gets a jumper which will come, hes gonna turn a corner.

The only difference to me between Wall and Westbrook is that Russ is a better shooter and plays alongside KD. If you put KD on the Wiz Wall would look like a top 5 PG too. &And Russ couldnt shoot a lick coming into the league nor change speeds as fluidly.

In a few years this argument is gonna sound silly cuz Wall is working on his game, isnt a bad kid, and will get better with experience.

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Difference between Wall and Westbrook....

Westbrook is a better shooter and also makes better use of his physical attributes offensively. Westbrook actually can post smaller guards. He also has moves and counters to those moves which is why he can get anywhere he wants to on the court.

That to me is what has stood out about Wall since I began watching him at Kentucky. Despite being the fastest player on the court even in college he struggled to beat guys off the bounce (in the half court). In transition good luck stopping him.

If I can compare Wall to Rose (they are different players I understand) Rose is blazing fast....but his side to side, stop and go, movements are so sudden that it is impossible for anyone not named Lebron James to stay in front of him.

Wall just tries to sprint by you.

I am interested to see his growth as a player. Being hurt hopefully allowed him to see the game more and also work on his shooting mechanics.

If Wall improves he will be a load to deal with and all that we are saying will be proven to be premature. I hope he proves us all wrong because he appears to be a good kid.

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Working with Sam Cassell will

Working with Sam Cassell will surely help Wall as Sam had a very solid and long NBA career as a scoring PG, someone like Sam must surely be able to help refine Wall's game or at least get him to adopt a winning mentality. Sam can tell Wall that at a similar age his game was no where near where Wall's is at the moment and he also didn't have Wall's athletic tools but he worked at his game until he became near 20ppg player well into his mid 30's, so if he can do that think of what Wall might achieve.

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If a healthy Wall was

If a healthy Wall was averaging 20 pts/4 rbs/10 asts/2 stls a game and the Wizards were winning, all of his negatives would be Overlooked.....

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???

Huh? That's like saying "if Wall was good, he'd be recognized as being good."

Am I missing some sarcasm here?

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