Sources now say that Wiggins is available in Love trade
I know I just created another thread, but I just read an article that says that Wiggins is now on the table.
It's Bob Finnan from The News-Herald & The Morning Journal
I initially received the news as BR Update on my phone, so take it for what its worth.
A tough but needed move for the Cavs. Can't waste Lebron's prime playing with inexperienced guys.
This changes everything. The Eastern playoff picture, the championship odds, the careers of the players involved in the trade as well. If Wiggins-Love happens, Wiggins won't learn from LeBron, he'll be known as "The guy traded for Kevin Love" for the first few years of his career. Holy crap.
I understand the whole Wiggins could learn from Lebron thing, but don't act like if he went to Minnesota it'd be a terrible situation for him. I'd argue it's a better situation for him. He gets to play with a great pass first pg and some other good young players he can grow with. With the Cavs he'd be in Lebron's shadow for a long time and he'd have a lot of pressure on him right away. And don't act like he won't be able to develop because he's in Minnesota. People don't give Flip enough credit when it comes to developing players. The past 10 years were completely different management and coaching staff.
Andrew Wiggins is the best prospect Minnesota can get; they need to make this deal. Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, and some future picks should get it done. Maybe Minnesota asks Cleveland to take Kevin Martin's deal off their books but I don't think that should or will be a sticking point for either side.
This is a win-win for both teams. Cavaliers get their Big 3 and Minnesota one of the top, if not the top, prospect in the game. Let's see it happen.
The players that you mentioned don't fit under the salary cap structure and would take a third team with cap space. K Love makes 15.7 million while Wiggins and Bennett make about 5.5 million each and in no scenario does Cleveland trade both of them. Anderson Varejao deal for 9.8 million could be used to make the salaries work but Cleveland would have to have some reassurance that Minnesota would pay his 4 million buy out and release him so that he signs back with Cleveland to keep Lebron happy.
Best offer Minnesota gets is Wiggins (5.5 million) & Varejao (9.8 million) plus future 1 st rounder if Minnesota releases A Varejao for Kevin Love (15.7 million) who must opt in next year. Only way Lebron and Cleveland make such an offer.
SG- Waiters, Ray Allen, Joe Harris
SF-James, Mike Miller, Bennett, J Jones
PF-K Love, Bennett, Powell
C-Varejao (resigns for midlevel after Minnesota buys out for 4 million),K Love (small ball), Haywood
You add Wiggins salary and they're still under the cap by a lot... They're going to wait to sign Mike Miller to that MLE they can take on Kevin Love for Wiggins and Bennett, they would still be under the cap...
you do realise that the total hoopshype has there is the guaranteed salary, meaning they havent added 9.7 mill deal. you add it and their cap numbers add to nearly 56.5 M. you add wiggins 4.5 rookie salary and the number goes to 61 M. cap is set at 63 M, giving the cavs 2 mill or a shade under as cap space, not a whole lot.
I don't like nitpicking... but small ball is not the same as small lineup
I wouldn't want to do this deal if I'm Cleveland. I understand the demand for K-Love, but Lebron want's to not have to put more milage on his body. Teaming him with Andy Varajeo, Kyrie and Love is an exact way to do so, based on injury history at least.
Wiggins and Bennett can spend a season developing along with waiters, alleviating the pressure placed on Lebron, in theory at least.
This is my thinking. The Cavs are going to have some key pieces that have had trouble staying on the court and a couple that are old enough that it wouldn't be a surprise if they get sidelined by a few aches and pains.
How much fun will it be watching Rubio throw oops to Wiggins and LaVine?
Where is the line for the bandwagon I want on haha.
Those 3 can all help each-other on the T-Wolves. Athletic freaks cutting around one of the best passers in the league (world too). League Pass!
I wouldn't trade Wiggins for Love, doesn't Cleveland realize that they have all the leverage?
It's Cleveland. They find ways to screw anything up.
How does Cleveland have all the leverage? If the Wolves don't trade him to Cleveland, they will work out a deal with another team or keep him and give him the choice to walk away from an extra $20 million. And if he does walk away and hits free agency, how will the Cavs sign him? They will have no cap room. If you have realistic solution to clearing that cap space, I'd love to know how Cleveland can do that. Kyrie is on the last year of his rookie deal and then he jumps to a max player after this season along with another max contract from LeBron. Love is only 25 years old, he isn't taking a pay cut to chase rings at this point in his career. Cleveland can only get Kevin Love via trade and Flip is smart enough to not accept a below market package just because they risk losing love for nothing. I honestly think they'd rather let him walk then take back players they don't want. If LeBron is telling Dan Gilbert and the rest of Cleveland's front office to get Kevin Love, then I think Minnesota has the leverage at this point, not Cleveland, seeing that Gilbert is at the mercy of LeBron for the rest of his professional career.
wow!! if that trade does happen,the t wolves will have 2 of the nba's most exciting players in wiggins & lavine...it's going to be fun watching those guys grow as teammates....
I guess it will come down to if you think Wiggins's upside is better than Love's now. I know Cleveland would love to get Love without trading Wiggins but if I'm Minnesota I'd start with Wiggins.
Bad move for Cleveland if they give up Bennett & Wiggins for him. Unless Love makes them an instant title favorite right now (I don't think he does, too many other holes on the roster) you don't give up 2 big time talents like that
It all depends on what Lebron wants to happen. If he is pushing for Love then they will do whatever if takes to get him. I would just wait becase the Cavs have leverage since Love will be a free agent next year. Of course Wolves fans want this since they know Love will be gone either way.
I think Wiggins for Love loses too much potential. Need potential defense from Wiggins for long term success. Also, Love has so many abilities but he isnt the back to the basket, take over player charles barkley type that would really compliment LBJ and the rest of the team.
Bring in the 76ers for a 3 team trade :
K Love to CLE
Big V , Wiggins + Sergey Karasev to Minny
Kev Martin to 76ers
Thad Young to Minny
(Big V gets bought out)
Sergey Karasev is no longer on the team, he is in Brooklyn now.
So why would the sixers do that without getting a pick?
This is getting Stupid.... Now everywhere Lebron goes their has to a "Big 3" in place, thus making it to the Confrence Title Game all but assured.... Sure Magic had Worthy and Jordan had Pippen, heck even Bird had Mchale.... This will be the second team were 3 complete Superstars were all on one team and the center peice being Lebron James... Player's now don't wanna Compete, they wanna Dominate with more Stars... Seems kinda Soft to me.
You don't want to be remembered as the team that traded wiggins.
Odds are you don't want to be remembered as the team that passed on Embiid either
Would anyone be surprised if Wiggins goes for 40 today?
Lebron said he understands the team isn't ready yet. Trading Wiggins for Love would be a mistake to me. I think Wiggins has a bright future and sooner rather than later. I think he'll progress like Anthony Davis did. It will be fast. I also like Bennett as well but if they can give him up only for Love then I'm for it. I'm not trading Wiggins. Think of the defensive ability that team could have with Wiggins Lebron and Varejao. It could be devastating. This team can compete for a championship right now. I don't think they're favorites but they're a threat to make the finals and if you can get there you can win. I like Love but I'm willing to give it a year to see how it goes first. Wiggins will still be an elite chip next offseason.
Kevin Love is great but Wiggins next to LeBron is just scary in a few years. I understand why people want Love next to LeBron, but Irving and Love on the same team defensively would just be a disaster. Kevin Love is a great player and I read an article yesterday that said GMs know what Love is worth and it isn't as much as the fans and media believe. That may or may not be true, but in 3 years I would rather have Wiggins next to LeBron.
Completely agree with the defensive aspect...2 problems with keeping Wiggins:
-Nobody really knows how good Wiggins will be in 3 years,whereas its easy to imagine what Love will contribute in next 3 years.
-Obviously,unlike the patience Lebron has written in his letter to have,the cavs know that they better win now.If they dont make the finals in at least one of the next 2 years,there might not be a Lebron with the cavs in 3 years,when Lebron and Wiggins MIGHT be a great duo...If he had signed a long term deal,i doubt they would be considering trading Wiggins.
what's the rush ? I would like to see the current roster play half a season before I pulled the trigger on just about any deal. In the meantime maybe ask Philly about Bennett for Thad ?
Bob Finnan has never broke a story, ever. I’m a Cavs fan and he is the laughing stock of reporters in Cleveland. I’m taking this whole story/rumor with 10 grains of salt.
Bennett for Thad would be a nice compromise.
Honestly this is one I've thought about a lot and I will share my thoughts on how I see this potential deal. This potential deal could really change the NBA for the next four years. Do the cavs want to win now and give up the future to get a proven all start player now, or wait it out and let Lebron mentor and devlope this young team. Its funny because when he was talking about coming to clevland he didnt mention playing with wiggins or bennett, mentioned thompson and waiters and now this potenail deal involved wiggins bennett and a future first. Funny how things play out.
I see it two ways, if they keep the young players, yeah sure they will develop. I have no doubt bennett has a better second season, how could he have a worse one. Wiggins will be able to step in right away and give them a good defensive player. Being able to play along side lebron it will help ease his transition into the NBA and he will be able to find a nice role on this team. He needs to imporve his mid range game, shotting 37% in summer league I beleive. Wiaters and thompson will do there thing, with wiggins on this team I can see waiters getting upset and may become a distraction for this team. He has a lot of talent, but he doesn;t understand the team side, know your role and play that part to help the team. Having him as a sixth man would help the cavs get some scoring off the bench and he will be able to play against easier defenses so he can look to score more. If wiggins is traded and he is a starter, I think he would be happier obiouvsly, but can he accept a 4th scorer role. I cant see him fitting in to be honest.
This team has potential. Its do you beleive they should trade all these assets theyve accumilated over the past four season, To get a proven All star in kevin love, who IMO will give lebron a better big three and he had in miami. I think the cavs want to win now, which is why we are hearing andrew wiggins name comming up in trade rumors. But if the cavs can be patient I can see them getting love for a waiters thompson bennett deal. Everyday that goes by kevin loves trade value goes down. I hope the cavs play strong and wait till trade deadline, see how lebron wiggins irving and bennett does. Why not take the risk and see if this young team can mesh or just hold out for trade deadline and go back to the wovles and say if you dont accept this offer he walks away. And if there not in the playoff picture I see them taking whatever they can get. We know the warriors wont include thompson and in IMO they shouldnt so the cavs are pretty much one of the only team with any real assets who would be looking to deal to offer minny.
If they make the trade perfect I always have liked love from his UCLA days and he will give this team that elite status but wiggins potential is a lot to give up on, when you know the player your trageting has said he wants to leave his team. Minny doesnt have the leverage, just stay stong cavs.
Everyone is under pressure. Love can leave Minnesota in a year, but LeBron can leave Cleveland in a year too.
It can be a fair trade, Cleveland have Love and LeBron and a contender from right now to a bunch of years in the future. Minnesota trade away someone who is among the top 5 or top 10 players in the league, and get a great prospect in return who is under contract for four years at least.
For Cleveland, LeBron is surrounded by shooters like Love and Miller and he also has Irving to take the ball-handling pressure off him and some scoring load that the point guards in Miami couldn't do.
This is pretty simple in my opinion. The Cavs would prefer to keep Wiggins because no team wants to trade a franchise changing player like that, but Lebron wants or win rings now. Love is such a perfect compliment to Lebron and Kyrie. I can just picture Kyrie bringing it up gets it to Lebron on the wing as Love comes up to run a pick and pop with Bron. That would be an offense that would be near impossible to stop. Also, people underestimate how much Love's rebounding would contribute to that team. Lebron playing with two legit bigs would allow him to leak out and catch K Love outlets on the break. Scary. The defense is somewhat of a concern but to that I say defense is so much about effort that I wouldn't be too worried about it. Are k love and Kyrie good defenders? By no means, but they also have never been within 10 games of the playoffs in the 2nd half of the season either. When they need to,they can be serviceable on d at least. As for the Wolves, this is by far the best scenario you could've hoped for. If this ends up happening I gotta give it up to flip for slow playing this. I woulda took the Boston deal before the draft...
If this happens I think it would be a serious mistake for Cleveland. If Wiggins develops like we think he will watching Lebron and Wiggins on a fast break or how they will lock down the wings of most teams would be incredible to watch.
How do people not understand the concept of leverage?
Saying the Wolves will have to settle for scraps because people know Love is leaving is beyond stupid and simply lazy. Think about it. Cleveland isn't going to sign Kevin Love if he hits Free agency. Golden State isn't going to sign Love if he hits free agency. Teams like the Lakers and Knicks will have lots of cap space, and people don't turn down those cities to go to Cleveland for less money unless they are the hometown hero.
If Cleveland won't include Wiggins, they aren't getting Love. Its that simple. Theres the leverage. GS can put together a better package without including Thompson. Boston can put together a better package without including any players. Phoenix can put together a better package. People need to learn how this works before saying "oh they have no leverage"...its nauseating.