Something we need to talk about : The Difference between a #1 option and a player to build around
I think many people are confused. There is a difference. We all have our opinion on who's a #1 option and who we would build around. But here are my definitions on both and give you my list.
A #1 option- A player who is a upper-echelon player who can score and can lead a team and can change a team's chances (Example : Chris Bosh)
A Player to build around : A player who has no factors that are bad. A player who if need to rebuild, would be the centerpiece. ( Example LeBron James)
So If I had to list all players who fits both description right now are :
Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Brandon Roy, Dwayne Wade, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Derrick Rose.
tell me what you think
I think you are for the most part correct. Point guards fall into somewhat of a different category, as their primary role is to distribute the ball. Rose, as good as will be will probably never average more than 22ppg. They are certainly players you can and would love to build around. However, they are not the guys who you would expect to lead the team in scoring or take the last shot of a close game. You would look for them to create a shot for a teammate. A player could in theory get you 15 assists per game and score 8 points per game. He would be a stud player, but not much of a scorer.
Agreeable, but 20 points and 8-12 assists are something you dont see everyday. I think guys like Paul, Rose and Williams would be ideal players to build around.
Most post guys provide a second scoring option if you want your team to be great. The great teams have the Go-To Guard with the Strong inside game. So night in night out either one of them can be the leading scorer on the team. Keeps the team in balance. Teams that are great will have a PG that is more of a passer than a shooter and have the main scoring option at the other Guard with a Very capable PF or C in the paint.
Also this is pretty evident but I think its much easier to find a Guard to build a team around so when you get a guy like Dwight Howard you already have the post presense now if they can get a good backcourt watch out.
Hit it right on the head. LeBron James, Kobe Bryant,Chris Paul and Dwyane Wade are the only players right now that you would build around with bad players and reach the playoffs. There are lots of # 1 options, but a special players can be number 1 options with no real help and still get their teams to be successful. It takes a special player to be considered a "franchise player"
Right now I think the only people who fit both are: LeBron, Kobe, Wade
I think Durant, Roy, Howard, Paul, Deron, and Rose could all become centerpieces, but aren't quite their yet. I'd add Bosh to that list as well.
Maybe my definition is a little tougher than yours but I'd say a centerpiece is a player who doesn't need a second star on his team to make them a contender, they just need role players. While a #1 option needs one or top level players to push them into the instant contender status.
love him but he cant lead a team single-handedly(think KG in Minnisota), look this year the Hornets had a bad year and thats even with his alley-oop buddy Tyson Chandler as well as David West two players that have been all-stars
I think Melo and Durant should soon be in that group as well. KG was in that group but is all now. Paul Pierce is in that group now because he did keep Celtics above water until KG and Allen got there. Dwight Howard is 2 post moves away from there. Brandon Roy needs to be in that group now. He has all the skills to build around.
Chris Paul can carry a team but as a point guard it is hard when your teammate are not playing well. If you look at the Hornets and a lot of top teams. There is a huge talent level difference. Look at the Lakers, Denver, Houston last year, even Utah and then look at New Orleans. New Orleans has no bench cept Posey. Our starting unit is mostly two all stars and role players. Chandler who can be star center was hurt and his game does not translated hurt because he relies at lot on his athleticism. Paul has been carrying that team for years and that is why they drafted Collison to give him a break. They also got Thorton who should help them at the 2. The need to get some bigs though. A lot of bigs in next years draft and also a lot of bigs left in free agency.
Sheltwon- I understand Pierce and many other players
But would you want to build around Paul Pierce...right now at his age?
You've gotta remember, the Celtics werent good before Allen and Garnett got traded there. Pierce was their main man, but he couldnt even get them anywhere near the playoffs. And he was in his prime back then
Define bad players there is too much talent overall for their to be bad players in the NBA, there are talent differences and teammates who do not bring it all the time but you can win it big without talented players around you. Roy to me can carry a team with no second star because if you look at portland. They are young talented but who is their second star. Alridge is a power forward who shoots jumpers which is good but he is not on the star status yet. he is close. Oden is still too young. Outlaw is a super bench player. Who else do they have that i a star. Melo carried Denver back when they did not have anyone else but Miller who is a solid player but no star. You can't discount some people because of hype or lack of. The only reason why I said melo is just getting there because he just now starting playing D and he has known to not always bring it. Chris Paul has been carrying the Hornets for a while. They have not been giving him much help. Peja has always been hurt even when he played he is not the Peja from Sacramento. Chandler was hurt this season and they have no depth behind chandler. Paul makes some of his teammates look better than they are. He is a leader and was from day one. I would build my team around him. I could also build my team around Deron Williams when healthy. Kevin Durant is too young but he is getting there. T Mac is too hurt and seem lazy.
I agree with kong47272, despite being an Oklahoma City native and a Thunder fan, I do not think KD is in both categories yet, maybe after next year or the year after.
He got them in the playoffs a few times but then everyone left and he was stuck with newbies. Even Kobe barely made the playoffs with newbies. Also I think Paul now is more mature then he was and he actually plays D. The Paul Pierce before the trade was not mature enough to be a franchise player but he is now. KG has rubbed off on him. KG was a franchise player but in the west you need a good gm and talent. He had neither.
Michael Jordan did not ever do it by himself so you have to look at this topic and look at a barely that can dominate every game and also help make his teammates better by either setting them up or by taking over games to take pressure off them. They may also have to guard the teams best player sometimes. You put Paul Pierce, Kobe, Chris Paul, Lebron on any team and they will be the leaders to some degree.
People are sleeping on KD. I would not put him there because he is too young but in all honesty he is there now but he needs to do it longer and also he needs to improve his defense and not disappear in any games. The best players can only have bad games every now and then. Kobe rarely has a bad game. Same thing for Lebron, Wade and for the most part Chris Paul. Paul has had game where he did not score much but had like 12 or more assists. KD is not there right now but he is just starting. He will get there. I will make a new post saying the top player on every team so far.
Of course everyone in the NBA is a good player to the average, or even above average person. But when compared to those in the NBA they arent excused from being considered bad players.The team Boston had the year before their championship was a bad team. At one point in that season they lost 19 straight games. That is a bad set of players, it takes bad players to make a bad team. The teams Kobe had the years before Pau was traded to them and Bynum emerged where bad teams. Kwame Brown was their starting big man and Luke Walton had a starting job. That is a bad team. I mean Kobe got them to the playoffs but that wasnt a good team
I think Kevin Durant is a top 5 player right now.
He isnt a top 5 player.. He is one of the best but he isnt a top 5 player
Kobe, James, Howard, Wade and Paul are top 5 in my book.
There was a discussion above about building around Pierce. I honestly think it can be done, even at his age. Realistically, he is playing with guys that in my opinion complement his game in KG and Ray Allen. These guys are still very good players, but they are way out of their prime. Before these guys came in Pierce was playing with guys like Gerald Green and Tony Allen on the roster. Guys who still haven't done anything in the league. You have to have something to work with in order to win. No matter how dominate a guy is, basketball is still a team sport. That's why Lebron, despite being the best player in basketball couldn't get it done in the end. He got beat by a better team. We all saw how he struggled when it seemed like he had no choice to go 1 on 5 because of the lack of help.
Yea but The last time Pierce was by himself
They lost 21 in a row....and were the worst team in the L
Noone can do it along. You can say similiar things about the last time KG was by himself. It is tough in this league to win without a decent team. Bad teams can have good players that do not mix well. I said on another thread. If you have a good GM and legit coaching style you could take anything and in 3 years turn them into a champion. There is talent out there but you need someone to put the right pieces together. Boston went from below average to a championship in one offseason. Everyone who says the deal were really bad. Jeff Green is a good player and there were other players at the 5 that could have done just as well or better. Al Jefferson is a great player and they also got depth but got younger so they need time and a star shooting guard. They have the pieces to make that move.
I am bout to put up my top two players on each team right now. I do add a lil extra for some teams.
k. durant a top five player... u serious?? is winning no longer important? U PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!! i'm telling u fantasy ball the worst thing to ever happen! here is a list of players i think are better than durant please tell me which one u'd pass over for durant...
- k. bryant
- l. james
- d. wade
- c. paul
- d. howard
- d. williams
- c. anthony
- t. duncan
- k. garnett
deshawynkeys91- It's my opinion anyway. Why do you care?
Yes, RIGHT NOW. I believe Durant is a top 5 maybe 6 player. I don't do Fantasy Baketball, G sorry. I would take the 1st 5 people you named and then Durant.
He is 6-10, can shoot, defend, slash and is a good passer. He can play SG,SF and PF.
He is great, very good but OKC is Bad.