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Something to consider:End foul-outs

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Something to consider:End foul-outs

JVG and Breen briefly mentioned allowing players more fouls in the Pacers/Knicks game and I wondered how it would work. I think there should be no disqualification of players for common fouls, but any foul after a players sixth (fifth in college ball) would result in an extra free throw. Flagrant or excessive fouls would still result in an ejection if warranted.

You could keep players on the floor in the first half after their second foul, and keep good players on the floor in the second half, even if they were in "foul trouble".

Is this a reasonable change to make? Would it change the game, besides letting good players get more court time and keep deep bench players on the bench?


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So: 10 points and 10 charges,

So: 10 points and 10 charges, easiest triple double ever...

There needs to be some sort of other penalty besides the extra shot.

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I've always thought the

I've always thought the problem with fouling out is that it happens too often in overtimes. In the Bulls Nets game that went into triple OT, Noah, Gibson, and Robinson fouled out. I think maybe an extra foul should be given in overtime, or maybe after two overtimes.

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I kind of like the extra

I kind of like the extra strategy of keeping players in when in foul trouble or taking them out. Plus there should be some sort of penalty besides one extra free throw for committing 6 fouls or more. Also it makes it more mandatory to have a deep team.

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I just find this stupid. To

I just find this stupid. To me the easiest solution is too get the referees together, and indicate to them to let more contact slide, and call less fouls. This way you are not changing thing and if anything restoring the game back to how it was meant to be played. Now I am not saying when you are going to the rim and get an arm chop don't call it, but stupid things like bumping a player in the post, a bit of off the ball contact or battling for position. I am a bit old fashioned, I love a lot of contact in the game. It is better to watch then ridiculous calls for the tiniest bit of contact. It makes me angry. Unfortunately this will not happen, the game is changing and moving less away from the good old fashion game.

I do like the extra foul in overtime. In the key moment you cannot have your main guys fouling out because they have played massive minutes due to the game being extended. If 6 fouls is meant to last you 48 minutes, in overtime some players are playing in excess of 48 minutes making it nonsensical for 6 fouls to be sufficient.

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You are confused

The "old fashion game" was to call any contact a foul. You are talking about a "late 80's game", when anything short of blood wasn't a foul.

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That is what I meant, the

That is what I meant, the late 80s game. I am exaggerating of course, but just saying they have gotten too uptight on contact calls. Would like to see bit of the 80s power and strength game some back. Not saying I want to see players get trashed or bloodied if you get what I mean hahaha

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I disagree,IMO there needs to

I disagree,IMO there needs to be a foul out,simply because a foul is an illegal use of body contact,there fore you should be penalized and have a maximum of fouls to use.6 is a good number for a 48 minute game,if you don't want to be disqualified then don't foul.As someone mentioned earlier,I like the idea of be given more fouls to give in a overtime or something of that nature

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If offensive fouls weren't personal fouls it would..

If offensive fouls weren't personal fouls it would be much better. If they were just turn-overs then we would reduce foul outs.

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If a guy plays 36 minutes a

If a guy plays 36 minutes a night that means he has one foul for every six minutes he is out on the court.
That is not unreasonable. Don't commit dumb fouls and get a deeper bench.

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I agree that there should be

I agree that there should be a change - the overtime/extra foul rule seems ideal. The reason this was brought up was because of obvious "wrongly-called" fouls by the refs causing certain players to sit out large portions of games, shifting matchups and defenses. An example of a wrongly-called foul would be Jimmy Butler's 2nd foul on Lebron in GM3 last night or David West's 2nd foul on Melo tonight. Refs blew the whistle but upon replay we saw absolutely no contact which warranted a foul to be called. I agree that refs should jus get together and allow more contact but how consistent is that going to be?

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I agree that there should be

I agree that there should be a change - the overtime/extra foul rule seems ideal. The reason this was brought up was because of obvious "wrongly-called" fouls by the refs causing certain players to sit out large portions of games, shifting matchups and defenses. An example of a wrongly-called foul would be Jimmy Butler's 2nd foul on Lebron in GM3 last night or David West's 2nd foul on Melo tonight. Refs blew the whistle but upon replay we saw absolutely no contact which warranted a foul to be called. I agree that refs should jus get together and allow more contact but how consistent is that going to be?

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I agree with extra fouls in

I agree with extra fouls in over-time but you can't get rid of foul-outs completely.

What you could do is introduce a "sin-bin" type situation, where a player has to sit out 2 minutes of game-time for the 7th foul, then 5 minutes for the 8th foul, etc etc.

That way players can technically come back into the game, i.e. not a permanent foul out, but there is still a disincentive to committing fouls.

I think that referees need to consider the impact of which fouls they call on the game; for example Andrew Bogut in game 3 went from 2 fouls to 4 fouls in the space of a minute, and they were both "soft" fouls, but that probably cost GSW the game, as soon as he went out, the whole D collapsed and Duncan was able to run rampant over Ezeli.

I think the playoffs in general have been too tightly called and very inconsistently called.

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no

Can you imagine how long games would last with unlimited fouls? The game stopage would be ridiculous.

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If we are dreaming up silly things...

They should hook sensors on players that light up if and where a player is fouled. Then we couldn't have faulty ref calls. Shoot then we would just need one ref.

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Refs should call less fouls

Refs should call less fouls when the offensive player initiates the contact on purpose. For example, in the OKC/Grizz game, Tony Allen was assessed a breakaway foul. He was running alongside the offensive player and that player, while heading to the basket (call that North/South), jumped to the right (call that West). Of course there was contact. They called that a foul and a breakaway foul. It was completely intentional by the offensive player and I really don't know how you can play defense if the offensive player can just jump into (and this is not in direction of the hoop, this is 90 degrees to the right) and get a foul call.

End those calls where the offensive player lunges in a direction other than toward the hoop, and you will cut down on a ton of fouls.

Also coaches need to trust their players to play with fouls a little longer. I've seen a ton of players get sat in the first and second quarter with foul trouble, only to finish the game with 3 fouls total. In that case (with hindsight) the coach didn't need to sit their starter. I find this especially frustrating when the defender with foul trouble can easily be put on a non-scorer and be unlikely to pick up additional fouls.

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