[WizardofOzParticipant]

Some prospects were measured at the skills academies recently.

Kevin Durant Skills Academy:

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/wp-content/themes/inside_bb/images/elite-youth/pdfs/Durant-College.pdf

Amar’e Stoudemire Skills Acedemy:

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/wp-content/themes/inside_bb/images/elite-youth/pdfs/Amare-College.pdf

Deron Williams Skills Academy:

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/wp-content/themes/inside_bb/images/elite-youth/pdfs/Deron-College.pdf

——The big suprises for me are Jared Sullinger and Tony Wroten. Sully measured in 1 in. above his listed height at 6’10", which is good height for a PF. It’s amazing how much 1 in. can do for you though. Before, people were calling him undersized, but now you’re gonna start seein in the scouting reports "Sullinger has very good height for a PF" lol.

And it looks like there was a big misunterstanding when we all though Tony Wroten said he was 6’8" in shoes. He meant his wingspan was 6’8". Nevertheless, it looks like Tony has grown 1 1/2 in. since the Hoop Summit, and he has excellent height for a combo guard.

[ajk004Participant]

But standing reach is more important and heights without shoes are better than with.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

^^ How are heights w/o shoes more important than height with shoes? Do they play without shoes?

[WizardofOzParticipant]

^^ How are heights w/o shoes more important than height with shoes? Do they play without shoes?

[ajk004Participant]

But standing reach is more important and heights without shoes are better than with.

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

^its more important cause you cant get the real height as players use different shoes which makes the information less usefull when comparing players… looking past draft picks i remember certin players gained alot of inches after putting on a shoe while other players bairly gained inces (its just inconsistant) 

on a side note…anthony davis wish a 7-4 wingspan is good but i thought it would be more…dude has the longest arms ive ever seen( maybe it just looks that way cause he is skinny) 

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

^its more important cause you cant get the real height as players use different shoes which makes the information less usefull when comparing players… looking past draft picks i remember certin players gained alot of inches after putting on a shoe while other players bairly gained inces (its just inconsistant) 

on a side note…anthony davis wish a 7-4 wingspan is good but i thought it would be more…dude has the longest arms ive ever seen( maybe it just looks that way cause he is skinny) 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

The question is, are they being measured in shoes that maybe give them more height than normal? Is everyone wearing shoes that are exactly the same height? Is there a reason Greg Oden’s shoes are one inch and Spencer Hawes are two and a quarter? Because, I have a feeling they wear relatively near the same size shoe, and Greg was measured as taller without shoes, and Hawes taller with them.

http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/06/28/nike_skills_academies_complete_high_school,_college_rosters

These were the measurements from last year, and as we see, nothing terribly off with them. Tony Wroten may indeed be 6’6, but I do not think he has grown an inch and a half since the Hoop Summit. Just a hunch. Also, Sullinger may indeed be 6’10 with shoes. Or, he could be 6’8.5 and wearing inch and a half shoes? Certainly a possibility. Kevin Love measured 6’7.75 at the combine, and 6’9.5 in shoes. Even Kevin was joking about he was never close to 6’10. Still, I think people tend to say he is 6’10, and that is usually what he was listed at in HS and college. Just, do we always know that he is going to be wearing those sneakers for the game? Does Spencer Hawes wear platform shoes?

What I like to do is take a persons height in socks or bare feet, and add 1.25. That seems to be the usual height added with shoes, and I do not know about whether one guy wears orthotics that give him another half inch, but I tend to doubt it. One warning though, is that the wingspans, if they seem too short, they probably are. For some reason, the wingspans at these things were insane last year, as Marcus Morris actually gained 3 inches in the draft combine. It is really nothing too huge, but inches can indeed change perspective. Either way, the Nike camp seems to give some correct heights, than maybe shaves an inch off of or on to someone, and they tend to have a lot of people leaving the camp wondering how they all have such T-Rex arms.

@boshjonesford: I think that sounds about right. Still, anything over 4-5 inches is definitely above average, so his 6 inch disparity definitely means he is one LONG dude.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

The question is, are they being measured in shoes that maybe give them more height than normal? Is everyone wearing shoes that are exactly the same height? Is there a reason Greg Oden’s shoes are one inch and Spencer Hawes are two and a quarter? Because, I have a feeling they wear relatively near the same size shoe, and Greg was measured as taller without shoes, and Hawes taller with them.

http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/06/28/nike_skills_academies_complete_high_school,_college_rosters

These were the measurements from last year, and as we see, nothing terribly off with them. Tony Wroten may indeed be 6’6, but I do not think he has grown an inch and a half since the Hoop Summit. Just a hunch. Also, Sullinger may indeed be 6’10 with shoes. Or, he could be 6’8.5 and wearing inch and a half shoes? Certainly a possibility. Kevin Love measured 6’7.75 at the combine, and 6’9.5 in shoes. Even Kevin was joking about he was never close to 6’10. Still, I think people tend to say he is 6’10, and that is usually what he was listed at in HS and college. Just, do we always know that he is going to be wearing those sneakers for the game? Does Spencer Hawes wear platform shoes?

What I like to do is take a persons height in socks or bare feet, and add 1.25. That seems to be the usual height added with shoes, and I do not know about whether one guy wears orthotics that give him another half inch, but I tend to doubt it. One warning though, is that the wingspans, if they seem too short, they probably are. For some reason, the wingspans at these things were insane last year, as Marcus Morris actually gained 3 inches in the draft combine. It is really nothing too huge, but inches can indeed change perspective. Either way, the Nike camp seems to give some correct heights, than maybe shaves an inch off of or on to someone, and they tend to have a lot of people leaving the camp wondering how they all have such T-Rex arms.

@boshjonesford: I think that sounds about right. Still, anything over 4-5 inches is definitely above average, so his 6 inch disparity definitely means he is one LONG dude.

[JoeWolf1]

 Sullinger is weighing in at 281 right now.  He’s a very talented player with a long wingspan, but IMO he needs to get down to 260-265 by next June to squash any conditioning concerns and maximize his draft stock.  If a guy is 280lbs at 18 or 19 what is he going to weight by 25 or 26? 

[JoeWolf1]

 Sullinger is weighing in at 281 right now.  He’s a very talented player with a long wingspan, but IMO he needs to get down to 260-265 by next June to squash any conditioning concerns and maximize his draft stock.  If a guy is 280lbs at 18 or 19 what is he going to weight by 25 or 26? 

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

 If Sullinger is truly 6-10/281 (with that 7-1 wingspan) that would just be amazing lol. If he improves further this year it would be hard to make an argument against him being the top pick,

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

 If Sullinger is truly 6-10/281 (with that 7-1 wingspan) that would just be amazing lol. If he improves further this year it would be hard to make an argument against him being the top pick,

[JoeWolf1]

 I dunno, Sullinger can throw is weight around a bit, to me 281 isn’t as much as an asset when you look his body type.  He’s carrying too much fat, I think if he lost about 15lbs he could still maintain his strength and physicality, but be able to get up and down the court quicker and longer, which he’ll need in the NBA game…unless he goes to the Spurs.

[JoeWolf1]

 I dunno, Sullinger can throw is weight around a bit, to me 281 isn’t as much as an asset when you look his body type.  He’s carrying too much fat, I think if he lost about 15lbs he could still maintain his strength and physicality, but be able to get up and down the court quicker and longer, which he’ll need in the NBA game…unless he goes to the Spurs.

[NashyMingParticipant]

Actually if Sullinger grows another inch to 6-11 / 281 lb, then everyone would start tagging him as a center instead of a PF.  281lb is still too high even for a C.  He better trim down a bit and turn some fat into muscles.  Ideally, he should be 6’11 at 250~260lb with <10% body fat, then he’s got perfect size for a center prospect.

[NashyMingParticipant]

Actually if Sullinger grows another inch to 6-11 / 281 lb, then everyone would start tagging him as a center instead of a PF.  281lb is still too high even for a C.  He better trim down a bit and turn some fat into muscles.  Ideally, he should be 6’11 at 250~260lb with <10% body fat, then he’s got perfect size for a center prospect.

[cward23Participant]

Its been written that Sully is a different type of 281 now. He lost fat and gained muscle. I haven’t seen pictures of that so i don’t lnow for sure but that’s what espn was reporting about a week or two ago.

Height means nothing. If you are good you are good. Love isn’t tall for his position and he doesn’t jump out of the Gym but he knows how to box out and work hard. Not sure why so many people make a big deal out of height when its not that big of a deal if the player is good

[cward23Participant]

Its been written that Sully is a different type of 281 now. He lost fat and gained muscle. I haven’t seen pictures of that so i don’t lnow for sure but that’s what espn was reporting about a week or two ago.

Height means nothing. If you are good you are good. Love isn’t tall for his position and he doesn’t jump out of the Gym but he knows how to box out and work hard. Not sure why so many people make a big deal out of height when its not that big of a deal if the player is good

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

Anyone that’s watched Sullinger play knows how agile he is and how well he throws his weight around. He’s not a fat big man. He’s an extraordinary post player and is amazing at using his lower body strength to create space. If I were him I wouldn’t want to shed more than 10-12 pounds. The only way it really limits him is on the defensive end; right now he has a physique exactly like Al Jefferson, who trimmed down by about 10-15 pounds when he came to Utah and is now at about 6-10/270, but he’s always suffered from relatively slow feet and has a lot of trouble on help D. If Sullinger can stay quick for his size and turn a couple pounds of fat into muscle i wouldnt worry about his weight.

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

Anyone that’s watched Sullinger play knows how agile he is and how well he throws his weight around. He’s not a fat big man. He’s an extraordinary post player and is amazing at using his lower body strength to create space. If I were him I wouldn’t want to shed more than 10-12 pounds. The only way it really limits him is on the defensive end; right now he has a physique exactly like Al Jefferson, who trimmed down by about 10-15 pounds when he came to Utah and is now at about 6-10/270, but he’s always suffered from relatively slow feet and has a lot of trouble on help D. If Sullinger can stay quick for his size and turn a couple pounds of fat into muscle i wouldnt worry about his weight.

[JoeWolf1]

 Sullinger isn’t a guy I look like and see a guy who is going to grow another inch at 19 years old.  The dude has the arms and look of a full grown man and has a mustache and goatee.  The younger, thinner, and less mature guys are usually the ones that get another inch or so after high school.  I don’t think he’ll grow, but you do bring up a good point about him playing some C, with his length I do think he could play some minutes at center ( especially due to the lack of true 7 footers).  But even at his current height of 6’9” -6’10” in shoes I don’t think he should be over 265 at the most.  

IF he shows up next June at 281 lbs I think he’ll scare some teams a little.  There have been a lot of very talented players that haven’t maximized their potential due to weight issues.  at 18 or 19 you are at the peak of your metobolism and players usually tack on an extra 10-15 lbs before they are 25 or 26 just as they mature and benefit from a professional weight lifting program.  If you’re not committed to your conditioning at 19 years old and 281 lbs it’s only a matter of time before you hit 300.  

[JoeWolf1]

 Sullinger isn’t a guy I look like and see a guy who is going to grow another inch at 19 years old.  The dude has the arms and look of a full grown man and has a mustache and goatee.  The younger, thinner, and less mature guys are usually the ones that get another inch or so after high school.  I don’t think he’ll grow, but you do bring up a good point about him playing some C, with his length I do think he could play some minutes at center ( especially due to the lack of true 7 footers).  But even at his current height of 6’9” -6’10” in shoes I don’t think he should be over 265 at the most.  

IF he shows up next June at 281 lbs I think he’ll scare some teams a little.  There have been a lot of very talented players that haven’t maximized their potential due to weight issues.  at 18 or 19 you are at the peak of your metobolism and players usually tack on an extra 10-15 lbs before they are 25 or 26 just as they mature and benefit from a professional weight lifting program.  If you’re not committed to your conditioning at 19 years old and 281 lbs it’s only a matter of time before you hit 300.  

[cward23Participant]

^^^ yeah i agree that it will scre some teams , not because of his size now but the thought that he will get bigger and out of shape. He’s a hard worker though and you know how big guys liek that always seem to shed a good amount of weight before the draft (for the life of me i wonder why they wait until then to shed it)

[cward23Participant]

^^^ yeah i agree that it will scre some teams , not because of his size now but the thought that he will get bigger and out of shape. He’s a hard worker though and you know how big guys liek that always seem to shed a good amount of weight before the draft (for the life of me i wonder why they wait until then to shed it)

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I do not know if Kevin ever weighed 281, but I would not be surprised if was in the 270’s right before he got into college. Kevin was 6’8 and 240 as a freshman, so I never saw him without him being pretty damn big. But, I thought conditioning could become an issue, and he at times could be slow running the court, or maybe hang back a bit rather than always running at full speed. People used to call him lazy all of the time, but he was big, smart and REALLY skilled, as his father, Stan, was a fantastic player.

Well, I think he started working out really hard once he got too college, and from than on, I think he has just kept it up. I do not know if he is the 255 he weighed in at during the 2008 combine, but I doubt he is too much more, atleast this past season. The guy REALLY worked hard on his conditioning, and it paid off major dividends. I think Jared is also incredibly skilled, and while he may not be the outside shooter Kevin is, he is much wider and probably stronger. His post game I think is more advanced than Kevin’s, and I expect Jared too shoot a higher percentage than Kevin once he gets to the NBA. However, it in large part does depend on his dedication to conditioning.

I definitely do not think Jared is fat, he is very agile and I know he will measure longer than Kevin did, but will he be in the same shape? Kevin measured in at 12.9% body fat, though I think now he must have quite a bit less. But, as a player with a body type that more than likely will never be exactly as low as most players, Jared should push to probably be about 10-15 pounds lighter than he is now. It could pay off big time in terms of speed and conditioning, not to mention that he still would have a big time advantage in strength. The fact that Kevin has had as few injuries as he has had thus far is probably in large part due to his weight and conditioning. Think he is a shining example of what Sullinger should try to reach.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I do not know if Kevin ever weighed 281, but I would not be surprised if was in the 270’s right before he got into college. Kevin was 6’8 and 240 as a freshman, so I never saw him without him being pretty damn big. But, I thought conditioning could become an issue, and he at times could be slow running the court, or maybe hang back a bit rather than always running at full speed. People used to call him lazy all of the time, but he was big, smart and REALLY skilled, as his father, Stan, was a fantastic player.

Well, I think he started working out really hard once he got too college, and from than on, I think he has just kept it up. I do not know if he is the 255 he weighed in at during the 2008 combine, but I doubt he is too much more, atleast this past season. The guy REALLY worked hard on his conditioning, and it paid off major dividends. I think Jared is also incredibly skilled, and while he may not be the outside shooter Kevin is, he is much wider and probably stronger. His post game I think is more advanced than Kevin’s, and I expect Jared too shoot a higher percentage than Kevin once he gets to the NBA. However, it in large part does depend on his dedication to conditioning.

I definitely do not think Jared is fat, he is very agile and I know he will measure longer than Kevin did, but will he be in the same shape? Kevin measured in at 12.9% body fat, though I think now he must have quite a bit less. But, as a player with a body type that more than likely will never be exactly as low as most players, Jared should push to probably be about 10-15 pounds lighter than he is now. It could pay off big time in terms of speed and conditioning, not to mention that he still would have a big time advantage in strength. The fact that Kevin has had as few injuries as he has had thus far is probably in large part due to his weight and conditioning. Think he is a shining example of what Sullinger should try to reach.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Sullinger is a hard worker and a coaches son’ so I don’t think he is going to scare teams with any boubts of immaturity or lack of perceived matrurity.  And if Sully got a 9" foot standing reach then I think he’s a center prospect all the way considering he plays like a PIVOT.

And Terrence Jones measured in 6’9 and 250 lb’s with a 7’2 wingspan which is very encouraging.  Don’t be surprised to see Jones pull a Derrick Williams this year.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Sullinger is a hard worker and a coaches son’ so I don’t think he is going to scare teams with any boubts of immaturity or lack of perceived matrurity.  And if Sully got a 9" foot standing reach then I think he’s a center prospect all the way considering he plays like a PIVOT.

And Terrence Jones measured in 6’9 and 250 lb’s with a 7’2 wingspan which is very encouraging.  Don’t be surprised to see Jones pull a Derrick Williams this year.

[JoeWolf1]

 Exactly mikeyv, Jared can do it, but he needs to make it a priority like Love did.  Carlos Boozer is another guy who comes to mind, he was about 285 coming in and despite knocks on him being a #2 option or whatever you can’t question his conditioning, he’s playing at around 260 and looks like he is under 10% body fat.  

Also, having weight issues isn’t a character concern, it’s not like people view Sullinger as lazy, but for some people keeping weight off is harder than others and I think he needs to answer some questions about his weight to be a top 5 pick in this year’s strong class.

[JoeWolf1]

 Exactly mikeyv, Jared can do it, but he needs to make it a priority like Love did.  Carlos Boozer is another guy who comes to mind, he was about 285 coming in and despite knocks on him being a #2 option or whatever you can’t question his conditioning, he’s playing at around 260 and looks like he is under 10% body fat.  

Also, having weight issues isn’t a character concern, it’s not like people view Sullinger as lazy, but for some people keeping weight off is harder than others and I think he needs to answer some questions about his weight to be a top 5 pick in this year’s strong class.

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 Woah Austin Rivers at 6’5 look for him rise up in the draft and not be questioned to be a Point

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 Woah Austin Rivers at 6’5 look for him rise up in the draft and not be questioned to be a Point

[NashyMingParticipant]

I think the biggest concern for me if Sullinger is staying at 281lb is his health.

281lb is a lot of pressure for the knees and even a minor injury would turn into disaster with that much weight.

A lot of relatively healthy players usually would be in great shape and do not carry much weight over their career.

 

Greg Oden is a good example how extra weight turned into disaster.  The guy actually worked out his upper body and gain a lot of muscle, but the weight he put on made his knee much easier to be injured.

There’s a reason to have an ideal playing weight for players at different size.

[NashyMingParticipant]

I think the biggest concern for me if Sullinger is staying at 281lb is his health.

281lb is a lot of pressure for the knees and even a minor injury would turn into disaster with that much weight.

A lot of relatively healthy players usually would be in great shape and do not carry much weight over their career.

 

Greg Oden is a good example how extra weight turned into disaster.  The guy actually worked out his upper body and gain a lot of muscle, but the weight he put on made his knee much easier to be injured.

There’s a reason to have an ideal playing weight for players at different size.

[cward23Participant]

The thing that doesn’t concern me about that is Sully is very big and strong in his lower body which is where most of his extra weight is. If it was mostly in his upper body that would be on thing but most is in his lower body which is good

[cward23Participant]

The thing that doesn’t concern me about that is Sully is very big and strong in his lower body which is where most of his extra weight is. If it was mostly in his upper body that would be on thing but most is in his lower body which is good

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Shabazz Napier appeared taller and longer on TV than 6’1 with a 6’2 wingspan.  Maybe it was just relative to Kemba.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Shabazz Napier appeared taller and longer on TV than 6’1 with a 6’2 wingspan.  Maybe it was just relative to Kemba.

[carefulParticipant]

 Nah man I go to Uconn and see Shabazz around all the time he’s about as tall as Kemba if he’s lucky

[carefulParticipant]

 Nah man I go to Uconn and see Shabazz around all the time he’s about as tall as Kemba if he’s lucky

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

some things about the measuerments :

Barnes has great height for SF at 6’8.5 ,but I thought his Wingspan would be more than 6’11 which is still good,but nothing exceptional (Wade has same wingspan for example and is much shorter)
same can be said about Khris Middleton

Kendal Marshall is 6’4 with 6’4 wingspan is exactly what I though his length will be around,which is actually very good for his skill set btw

Wroten measured twice as 6’6.5? hmmm?if that is true and he actually isn’t using his Girl fried shoes when he was measured ,It is really possible that he will enter the league at 6’7 tall,is this good for him?I don’t know actually ,as someone said in the other thread,he might be better as a PG,and at 6’7 you need to be really quick to defend opposing Guards i order to be full time PG ,that said I think that good length never hurts in basketball

Brad Beal measured below 6’4 ain’t good tbh for his draft stock

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

some things about the measuerments :

Barnes has great height for SF at 6’8.5 ,but I thought his Wingspan would be more than 6’11 which is still good,but nothing exceptional (Wade has same wingspan for example and is much shorter)
same can be said about Khris Middleton

Kendal Marshall is 6’4 with 6’4 wingspan is exactly what I though his length will be around,which is actually very good for his skill set btw

Wroten measured twice as 6’6.5? hmmm?if that is true and he actually isn’t using his Girl fried shoes when he was measured ,It is really possible that he will enter the league at 6’7 tall,is this good for him?I don’t know actually ,as someone said in the other thread,he might be better as a PG,and at 6’7 you need to be really quick to defend opposing Guards i order to be full time PG ,that said I think that good length never hurts in basketball

Brad Beal measured below 6’4 ain’t good tbh for his draft stock

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