Sixers - thoughts?
Within the past few days, rumors are swirling around the Sixers (in particular Thad, Turner, and Hawes)...
Where do you see these players on Feb 21 and what deals are you guys hearing are most likely to occur?
The sources I keep on reading do not agree with eachother... some say they are "shopping hard but no one is biting" and others say that Thunder, Bobcats, Clippers, Suns, etc. are interested...
I apoligize this thread went through 3 times :/ (internet at work is terrible)
Spencer Hawes is the only guy I see being moved if a Contender needs a skilled 3rd bigman who can drag out the other teams Center for 24 minutes in the Playoffs, I keep hearing OKC is in the mix
Adams and Hawes would give them a nice blend of size, skill, defense and rebounding, 6 more fouls on Gasol, Duncan and Hibbert if they get that far
The craziest trade rumor I've heard thrown around is Tony Wroten, Thad Young, Spencer Hawes and multiple future 1st rounders for Russell Westbrook
The only logical thought behind that would be that Tony Wroten has shown loads of potential and has been playing very well behind MCW and the versatility Young and Hawes would provide could put the Thunder in position to overtake the Spurs out west and match up well with Miami/Indiana in the Finals
I don't think the Thunder would ever give up Westbrook but that's a rumor I heard on sports radio
Westbrook will not be getting traded. Guaranteed. That being said, OKC would most likely give up Dallas's protected first for Turner. About 5-8 other teams will probably throw out an offer too, but they all know it's going to take a 1st rounder, at least, to get him.
I'm not sure if Hawes will be traded or not because he isn't going to bring a huge return. Ownership knows that the diehard fans dislike Hawes, but all the other fans are a big fan of him because he wears 00, had that Larry Bird haircut for a while, and he's white. Cold hard facts.
Thad Young deserves to be traded to a contender today at the latest. Since the Sixers drafted him in 2007 he has done nothing but hustle, be a good team player, and come up clutch. I really hope Hinkie gives him a chance to go to a good team, and I think they should be able to get a first back for him as well.
The rumor mill is a bunch of BS. One guy tweets something that he heard and then lots of other people talk about the "report" as if it is something other than a rumor to begin with.
I am sure that Young is available for a high price and that Hawes and Turner are available for a lesser price, but outside of that, there isn't any news at all.
As a Sixers fan that follows this very closely I would handicap things like this.
Thaddeus Young: The Sixers would be very comfortable doing nothing with him since he is already under contract and is the type of player and personality that can blend in with anyone. He is the only player of the three that could potentially bring a lot of value, but I don't think that the Sixers really WANT to trade him so they would have to be really surprised by the quality of the offer to bite on it. As a Sixers fan I would not be happy with a return of an expiring deal and a 2014 pick in the 10-20 range even though I wouldn't be surprised if someone made an offer like that. For the other guys I would accept a deal liek that in a heartbeat, but I don't think anyone will offer it. He is probably our best player right now and that means that he hurts the tank effort, but I think that the team is bad enough to get a high pick even with him, and especially if we can deal Hawes or Turner.
Spencer Hawes: I think that the Sixers are trying to trade him, but that he could theoretically be resigned in the off season if he isnt traded as long as he agrees to a reasonable deal. Hawes came to the Sixers with a reputation of being soft, but skilled, and he has largely lived up to that. However, he has impressed me with his competitive nature, and has really become a terrific jump shooter. He isn't physically equiped to play great defense, but he tries. I think that he would be comfortable being a role player on a good team. The only reasons to trade him are that other teams would want him, and he may get too big of an offer in the offseason. We can't overpay for him, but I would be ok keeping him. He doesn't hurt the tank too much on his own, so there isn't much pressure to deal him. My prediction is that he is only likely to be traded if he is packaged with Turner. It doesn't make sense to me to trade him if he is the only one of the three that gets traded, unless someone over pays of course.
Evan Turner: Turner has an alpha dog mentality and the potentiall to be a very good player in the league. It wouldn't surprise me if he eventually made an allstar game or two. He is malligned mostly for over dribbling, insconsistent shooting, and high expectations coming from being the number 2 pick. If he was the 10th pick in the draft I think that people would view him differently. The problem with him is that he is going to get a big offer in the offseason for sure and we are not ready to pay ANYONE big money yet. I also think that he doesn't fit the Hinkie mold of players which I think emphasizes defense, athletisim and shooting ability. Turner is the type of guy that would flourish in a system where he could handle the ball a lot. Since we have a budding star at the point here I think that Turner isn't needed. Put him on a team like Detroit where they have weak point guard play and he could be a star. He is the one guy that we really have to trade. He hurts the tank by being a good basketball player, and we have no intention of keeping him so we need to get what we can for him. My prediction is that a team like Phoenix, San Antonio or OKC will try to get him with their late 20's first round pick and change. We may be able to get more if we package him with Hawes and that seems to be the goal.
Getting Turner off of our team will make us imediately worse. Bad enough to finish second behind the Bucks. Without trading him we are probably going to finish in the 3-5 range and given the way the lottery works that would make it quite possible for us to fall out of the top 5 picks, which would be a disaster. For the tank purposes I think that trading Turner is the only thing that we really NEED to do.
I think that the offers will get better as we get closer to the deadline simply because the other teams will have given up their hopes of landing better players by then. Currently, it probably doesn't make all that much sense to make a good offer for Turner/Hawes, when players like Monroe, Afflalo and Rondo are still theoretically available. In the last few days before the deadline I think that there are a number of teams that will view Hawes/Turner as players that could really help them this year. A pick in the 20's is not going to help San Antonio or OKC at all this year and both of those teams are contending now.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. I'd rather keep Thad than trade him but trading him would be good for the team and for him. I'm sure he wouldn't resign here anyway whenever he becomes a free agent.
Evan has a alpha dog mentality but he also seems to have an inflated sense of his own abilities. I think Turner can help quite a few teams but I don't really see him being an all star but rather a nice piece to the puzzle.
Either way it seems like the Sixers are doing a pretty good job of losing with these guys so trading one or all three of them will definitely keep us in the top three pre lottery.
With Turner being an allstar I just mean that it wouldn't surprise me if he made an allstar game some day if he continues to improve and is in the right situation. He was misused by Collins and now is playing better. He would be even better if he had more primary ball handling duties.
I may be in the minority, but I think that he could play the point effectively. Even at the 2, if he is paired with a combo 1 as opposed to a true 1, I think that he could excel. He has actually improved the form on his jump shot from the ugly thing that it was his rookie year. He isn't a bad shooter. He just isn't quite a good one either.
People hound him for what he isn't, but I think that they overlook his basic talent. He is a gamer, who can do a lot of things well. He's about the best rebounding guard that I can remember and has a pretty complete floor game. He can be a poor man's Grant Hill type in the right situation imo. The emphasis on the POOR MAN's Grant Hill that is...;-)
Someone is going to give him a deal in the 10-12 million dollar a year range and it won't be us.
great post. the only thing i can see teams like OKC not waiting until the offseason to get him is because they might want to have him for this year's run and not so much as a piece for the future. I am with you guys that Turner and Hawes probably should be the ones to go and that Thad will most likely stay unless Hinkie is swept off his feet. I can see a 3-team deal happening as well - something like Hawes to Clippers, Turner to Thunder, Clippers and OKC 1st rounder 2014 with a few other minor players evening the deal out... but i don't see us getting anything higher than a mid to late 20's pick.
i guess we will have to wait and see though! we play @ the clippers on sunday so hopefully Spence drops like 20, 10, 6 or something so they are hoodwinked a little
I would like to see the 76ers trade for Shabazz Muhammad, Gorgui Dieng, and Perry Jones. They are all good players that have shown great potential.
What NBA have you been watching? Perry Jones is the only one who has shown anything of substance in an NBA game
PJ3 and Dallas's first for Turner would be a great trade for the Sixers. Not sure what Sam Presti would think of it though.
If that trade is on the table, the Thunder should do it. Spencer Hawes would be a great fit next to Serge Ibaka. Hawes can shoot and score and the Thunder need an extra big who can score. Thad Young can play the 4 in smaller lineups or the 3 when Kevin Durant goes to the bench.
I like Tony Wroten for that team off the bench as a guy who can get to the basket and also pass. He is still raw, but he is improving. The guy can play.
If the Sixers throw in draft picks too then that should be a good pick in the next couple of years.
The Thunder would miss Westbrook, but Kevin Durant is in beast mode right now. A core around him of Serge Ibaka, Reggie Jackson, Thad Young, Sefolosha, Jeremy Lamb, Nick Collison, Steven Adams, Spencer Hawes, and Tony Wroten would be great.
Heck, I even like it for the Sixers. They can go with a MCW-Westbrook backcourt with Nerlens Noel as their center. Then what if they get Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker as the extra scorer? That team could work.
Philly would LOVE a team of Westbrook, MCW, Nerlens Noel, and Andrew Wiggins.
They should keep all three guys. Young, Turner and Hawes are good, team oriented players which may be great support for rising stars like MCW, Noel and this year's picks. This roster with Noel and two lottery pick will be really good very soon. If they get little lucky, they can get Jabari Parker, who is the best fit for them IMO. Sixers need go-to scorer and outside shooter. Noel and Young could cover him on defense. Noel needs few years to become a good centre so he can split time with Hawes, especially cause they are different types of centres. Same thing is with Parker or whoever they draft this year. Noel is on a rookie scale for three more years like MCW and in this time Sixers doesn't have any cap issues. When comes the time to resign MCW, Noel and this year's picks, they can let them go, but not now
The sixers is a young team with one veteran, Jason Richardson. They have a lot of young players which could become future stars. They just need one more player that would lead and teach the team. One thing they cant have as a young team is a bad locker roo, if they do there ruined. But other than these minor details this is a legit team that very we'll could be going somewhere in a few years, and I would really like to see that. There a good team and if they keep up what there doing they can only get better.