Sixers fans.... What do you want out of this draft and offseason....
Do you want Stefanski to turn off his phone and Take Evan Turner at 2...Start him Day one and Hope he becomes a B.Roy, Penny or Grant Hill...and excels with Iggy at the 3...
Do You want to try and package the 2nd pick to unload Elton on Someone and maybe take back an expiring Contract and top 12 pick in the deal...Draft an off guard like Henry and wait out the Sammy/Kapono/Green and Mystery Man traded for Brand contracts at the end of this season....Something Like E.Brand and the 2nd pick for T.Murphy/J.Foster and the 10th pick...They'd get the 2Guard to run next Granger...We still a top ten pick and get Murphy's expiring deal to add to Dalembert/Kapono/Green's 20 million...That's another 15 Million...35 million In Expiring Cash$$$$$$$ D12, Melo and CP3 are up next year...I'm not saying we tank it up for the Hopes one of them Comes...but that would be alot of cap space IMO....If NY gets LBJ and Bosh Philly could answer With Melo and Dwight...Just stick Iggy back at the 2 or Trade him...D12 next to M16 or Thad....Wow...Good front line...
Do You want us to trade to The Wolves for the picks and assets they have to offer...Maybe Squeeze Rubio out of them???...Maybe Love??? Stay away from Big Al....Something like the 2nd for Ricky and the 4th...The 2nd for 4th and 16th....with the 23rd and Wayne Ellington coming over too Maybe...Maybe we Throw them Lou, Meeks, Smith or Kapono...
With the picks take the risk on Favors or Cousins at 4...and get a good guard or small forward at 16...(Henry,George,Anderson at 2 guard) Babbit for Sf/Pf...Udoh or Whiteside for Defense if those guys are gone...Point Blank Is Turner the Man hands down...or do we see what we can get back for the 2nd Pick...
I'd love to get rid of Brand, but this is a 4 player draft so we need a top 4 pick. Keeping a top 4 pick and ridding of Brand would be ideal but that is almost impossible.I think in the end Turner is the pick unless Kahn really blows Stefanski away.
I'm leaning more and more to Turner. I think he can allow alot of things to play out in the lineup, including moving Iguodala to SF. Speights is going to be nice, and I think we can find someone down low that's capable sooner or later. I think Cousins is good, but I think Turner will prove to be a better pro.
im a huge sixers fan... I KEEP the pick, no doubt... Reason being below...
Philly has pieces to move that are more desirable than in the past. 2 of which are dalembert 11 mil expiring / kapono i believe 7-8 mi (offhand) expiring following the 10-11 season...Those 2 will be desirable contracts to move whether it be now, in the draft, or before the trade deadline. Why not build off of that alone. In addition we have a log jam. Iggy / thad at the 3.... Do we keep thad in hopes that he continues to rise like he did before the eddie jordan debacle, or do we move iggys big contract (which im sure we can).... IMO we keep iggy, and try to move thad (cause who knows what thad wants to do when his contract expire)...Maybe package thad, and dalembert for something we can use NOW... just some thoughts, but im definitely keeping turner...
Even philly moving the #2 for minnys #4, and #16 wont cut it for me.. Id rather have Turner, then have Cousins (where GOD only knows what you'll get), and James anderson (assuming hes there at 16)..I feel hoping a need is there at 16 is a shot in the dark, when the sure thing is in front of you.
Turner is my guy hands down if I keep the Pick....But if the Wolves offer 4th/16th/23rd and Ellington...I have to consider it...The 2o million in expiring contracts(Sam,Kapono and Green) can get us a starting Center...but we'll still be tied down with Brand...We have to start M16 today...Either he and Sam or Brand and Speights...What do you think about Xavier Henry....If the Pacers traded us Murphy and the 10th pick for Brand and the 2nd...We'd have a shot at the best 2 guard not named Evan Turner in the Draft and get 15 Million more in expiring cash...Granger gets a 2nd option in Turner and Veteran Low post guy in Brand...Hibbert at the Center spot....I'd even give them Lou Will to make this go down...I think 35 million and X Man Henry would equal what we'd get out of Turner( Who is my favorite player in the draft and I've wished we drafted him since last year) But I love my Team and City more than a player....Having Murphy and that Cash and a shooter and defender in Henry is not a bad thing at all....Imagine have 35 million when CP3(We do have Holiday but....) Melo(Iggy same thing but...)D12(perfect fit IMO...Offer him the MAX MAX 25 to 30 million...JK...20 to 25 though...) If NY gets 2 Max stars...The Sixers Should respond with 2 of their Own...LBJ and Bosh in NY or Melo and Dwight in Philly...I think Philly wins.....with a core of Iggy,Holiday,Henry,Thad,M16, and the signing of Melo and D12...That equals championship...IMO....It's why I'm open to the Brand and 2nd for an expiring deal and Henry....
Trade idea right here
Elton Brand to Bobcats for Boris Diaw and Degana Diop
this deal works money wise and Diaw and Diop's contracts are less years 2 and 3 compared to 4.
by letting Sam Dumblembert/Kap man and Green Thumbs...We'd still have to off load L.Williams for a 2nd rounder or something...that would give us the 25 million to sign him for the MAX...I'd love the extra 15 million from Murphy and Foster expiring deals...for E.Brand and Turner....I love this trade for both teams....if we get the 10th pick of course...
These are the only non T'Wolves Turner and Brand deals I'd make....
1.Brand and Turner for Troy Murphy,Jeff Foster and 10th overall pick....I will add L.Will if they add Rush....
2.Brand and Turner for A.Kirilenko and the 9th overall pick...I will add J.Smith if they add Wes Matthews..
3. Brand and Turner for Joe Johnson and 1st round pick in a Sign and Trade...Will give them Smith too...
i have to ask.. Why are you letting lou go? Who will the 6th man / spark off the bench be? I think if Lou goes back to the role he had before this season.... 6th man and 4th quarter KILLER is what he does best... Im not giving up on him, hes a great 6th / 7th man off bench....personally here is who id like to see on the roster (before other moves made of course)
PG - jrue / lou (turner in spots)
SG - Turner / Meeks (could use upgrade here)
SF - Iggy or Thad with Carney spelling either / or
PF - Speights / Jason Smith
C - Dalembert (unless traded, but IMO let him expire on our watch, and free up some cap space for future move) (he needs a back up)
SO my goal with this is to rid ourselves of Brand ( i know this will be a TOUGH TOUGH Goal to accomplish), Willie Green, and Kapono... Brezec and elson i believe are off the books this summer (dont quote me).. so my goal gives us 10 players i want to keep.. If we have to keep brand we should give him the Eddy Curry treatment unless he shows us something (like he did in his clips / bulls days)...Above u suggested minny moving the 4,16,and 23 well thats another story...this might interest me more..
I always saw him as a Barbosa with more handles less speed...a poor man's Monte Ellis...But Jrue is the future and Lou cant take away big minutes from Him and the 2 guard if we want to real contenders one day...add the fact he doesn't play Defense and we could offload Brand by adding him in the deal with the Pacers...Brand L.Will and 2nd Pick for Murphy, Foster and the 10th pick...Draft Henry and wait 5 contracts out ...starting Line up would be Holiday,Henry , Iggy, Murphy and Dalembert...M16/Thad and Meeks off the bench with Kapono, Green, Foster being the role players...I'd sign Scottie Reynolds in the offseason if he goes undrafted...If he is buy the pick...i'll take Scottie as a back up...He will be a good player in the League...A poor man's Jameer Nelson...Thats are 12 man roster
Then count the fact 35 million in cap space after the season...and a possible lottery pick...It could be High..we may suck....
u think troy murphy fits in? i have to disagree.. He can spread the floor but to have an inside / outside game you need a post threat... IMO speights can not play center... So murphy / dalembert basically gives us no low post threat what so ever... IM not giving up the 2nd pick for X-man, and a player who does not fit in..just my opinion..
Lous Defense is definitely not 100 % but off the pine he is great... he wears other tms down cause hes always fresh (due to playing 20-25 min MAX)... Thats when hes at his best.. I can see why you say to let him go "especially after this yr" but just think back 1-2 yrs and our future didnt seem so bleak....
btw the idea of picking up reynolds might not be a bad thing.. Its ashame we ever got rid of reggie evans.. He brought his lunch pail to work everyday.. I respected no sixer more than him while we had him... "people just dont want to be guarded by Reggie"
That can hit 3's and Defend...plus he's a expiring deal...he's a rental...We'd run him at the 5 like they did in Indiana so M16 can get his time at the 4 spot...Dalembert/Murphy/Kapono/Green and Foster would be 35 million in expiring cash...your saying Evan Turner and Brand would be better than a chance at Melo and Dwight Howard...X Man is a good 2 guard IMO he'll be a starter and a damm good one...could be like a Corey Maggette in a year or two...Which would make him very good,,..That and 35 million cap space is what I offer with the Brand and Turner to Pacers Trade....We'd keep are core of Iggy,Thad,M16 and Jrue...add Henry and get 35 million answers next year when D12 and Melo look at this summer and see LBJ/Bosh and Wade trying to handicap the League...Melo and D12 on Philly is a good possibility if we have 35 million in cap space.... We have a stronger core than NY or Miami...the 2 places the super union could happen....It could counter this off season's free agency
melo and dwight howard would be a pipe dream.. IM not against building for the future, but with some realism at hand.. I personally do not think "HOPE" is the answer.. I prefer direct action, and not a pipe dream.. Just me i guess.. Having dwight or melo or both would be "fantastic" i just dont know how feasible it would be, and playing Murphy at the 5???? Comeo n ma dude, you know that would be a train wreck in the making!
When we traded him I knew we were no longer after Wade...Reggie was like the Rodman for that possible scenario...Oh well Kapono is an Expiring deal...And I put money Scottie will be a Sixer if he;s not drafted...It's a dam shame he's the Best Point guard not named J.Wall in this draft...I hope teams are still sleeping on this guy...caus he'll make us forget all about Lou Williams trust me...He's the Darren Collison of the Draft....IMO.....
for that 35 million in pipe dreams... I mean Money...real life Money.....Turner is my guy...I've said it time and time again..but he alone does not change the future of the Team...Trading Brand and Keeping the Core while getting an expiring deal and Henry in return would be amazing...and why would the Likes of Dwight and Melo look at Wade and LBJ or Bosh this summer and not counter with a union of their own....they want rings too....right....not to mention a big market(Orlando is Big enough) and big dollars...I can see it...At the very least Melo or Howard would have to consider it...
I want philly to build around speights, iggy, lou, holiday, young. I would be pleased if they kept turner but also realize the importance of getting rid of their expensive unproductive guys. I don't think brand has to go. he can still be productive but I feel speights should get the most playing time at PF.
would you open to trade Brand,L.Williams and Turner for Murphy,Foster and 10th pick(Xavier Henry) We get rid of our worst contract...Keep the core of Holiday,Henry,Iggy,Thad and Speights...and get 35 million in expiring cash with Sam D/Murphy/Green/Kapono and Foster all free agents after the season...we keep the core and get the cash for Dwight or Melo maybe Both...Wecould be the Nets of this summer...or the Knicks...except unlike NY we have a good young core...
if reynolds proves to be a spark plug i agree lou can go... I just think in your scenraio with thad off the pine, hes the only legit option off the bench, and his minutes would be hindered by iggy.. I think iggy / thad (1 needs to go)...
The only way I would consider trading the 2nd pick is if we were able to stay in the top 5 and rid ourselves of Brands contract. On this site they had an analysis of where a person is drafted and his probability of success. The liklihood to find a superstar player outside of the top 5 is extremely rare. The sixers need a star player as it has been proven that a team without a star player can't win a championship (with the Pistons team that won recently being the one exception). I say we take the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft and take Turner.
This pick will however cause us to have an over abundance of wing players. Iguodalas salary is very movable even though it might be slightly too high. He has a lot of value around the league and could be used to acquire a quality big man. This would also allow us to start Thad and see what we have in him before his rookie deal expires. I think Thad is a better fit alongside Turner as well and their games would compliment each other. I would look to trade Iggy to someone like Minnesota and get maybe Jefferson and the 16th (his injury concerns hurt his value a little but he is still a talented post player). I would LOVE to get Rubio in return somehow aswell but I don't think there is any way that Kahn would include him unless we blew him away.
We then would have a solid young core as well as some veteran leadership and depth on the team. We could use the excess expiring contracts that we have to try and lure another player at the deadline.
Going forward this would be our outlook
PG Jrue/ Lou Will
SG Turner/ 16th pick (Henry, George, Anderson), Meeks, Green
SF Young, Kapono
PF Brand, Speights, Smith
C Jefferson, Dalembert
We could use Dalembert, Green, Kapono and 1 or 2 of the young players to trade for a big time player to add to the mix going forward.
Overall I think the Sixers future will be a lot brighter by just keeping the 2nd pick. Anyway I'm excited to see how things turn out!
remember when philly had "i think the 9th pick in the draft" and they selected Larry Hughes over Paul Pierce... HORRIBLE....
that could be Turner over Cousins 2.0....i love Turner and liked hughes too...he had good seasons with the Warriors and Wizards...
it could be, but Hughes came out of St louis U (not a big time program following his Frosh yr)... Pierce came from established program, and to me was a no brainer pick we passed on... trust me i could go on for days about Philly draft woes, dont get me started.. to name a few.
Shawn Bradley, Sharone Wright..both were HORRIBLE.
among others...But we have had good drafts lately...Hoilday,Iggy,Speights Young...Smith and L.Williams...Korver and Carney weren't terrible picks (though we did trade for Carney and gave up Thabo Sefolosha) We should have had picks in the 2nd round the last two years two...CDR should be on our roster...He fall right in the place we should have been...He and Dejaun Blair were Philly guys IMO...I want Scotty Reynolds this year and we have no 2nd rounder>>>>>
It was Hughes over Pierce AND Dirk. and in 2007 it was Bradley over Billups and TMac. i hate Billy King so bad
the dirk part i understand though.. and dirk was traded for tractor traylor on draft night.. Dirk was drafted by the bucks... I dont look at dirk as much "as a guy we passed over" cause most international players were more of an unknown.... Pierce in retrospect was a player at KANSAS whom we all knew..
i meant 1998 and 1997
I agree with above that you basically need one of the top 4 or 5 players in the league in any given season to win a championship. To get those you can either 1. draft one or 2. sign one. It would be ludicrous IMO to trade a #2 pick if you can get a polished player with great upside who dominated college like Turner that could turn into a superstar. I'm not saying he will (hard to predict how his dominance will translate into the NBA with so many physical freaks) but you need to take the chance.
Philly couldnt sign anybody (you are insane if you even mention Dwight and Melo) because they have a poor history of success (one finals appearance because of Iverson who they DRAFTED), no attractive pieces and a mediocre city with harsh fans.
Philly should trade their better pieces (iguadala, young etc) and expiring contracts for picks now and in the future and restart entirely. They will suck for a year or two, but a team devoid of toxic contracts and players (brand, iguadala, dalembert contracts all suck... bad mgmt) has a chance at rebuilding through the draft or at least getting young pieces together to attract a big name.
Anyone who thinks philly is anywhere close to being good or has momentum is out of their mind. They are a horrible version of the hawks, who have just maxed out their model of long athletes who can't shoot with no point guard
Wasnt like Dirk was a late round pick. Went 10 I believe and we pick 8th. Hughes, Pierce, Dirk in that order uggghhhh just threw up remembering that
One finals appearance? U clearly do not know basketball before like 2000. Check out the 80s
must be a youngster lol.... he dont remember the MOSES days baby...
i know basketball before 2000 thank you but having success 30 years ago means nothing about current ownership and management's ability to put together a winning product right now.
Using that reasoning, free agents should sign with Milwaukee or Washington because they have winning cultures stemming from their finals appearances.
we have been in desperate need for a true 2 gaurd since the day AI was traded even then he was 6 ft and couldnt gaurd taller 2 gaurds. we have a young core but with no true leader/ no.1 scoring option, we cant pass up the chance to get a franchise gaurd and potentialy the best 2 gaurd for the next decade. we draft turner, play him at the 2 as a number 1 option and develop his 3. with letting him jrue thad and mo develop over the next 3 to 4 years they will only be starting their prime, by that time we have brand and iggy as an expiring and that is 2 huge chips. i personally want to see what colins can do with brand because he is a smart coach who knows how to get the best from players. thats face it the team gave up didnt listen to the coach and the coach hadnt a clue. take the player see how brand and iggy play next year decide what to do closer to the deadline
LA...We're in the Stanley Cup Finals...Just were in the world series...Just won a World Series before that...The Eagles were the beast of the east for years....We are a Mediocre City ...yeah right...check ya facts man...we've been more suceesful than the NY sports franchises minus last world series...and we got Doc Halliday for those Yanks...Where is that guy from...how many titles does your town have...We would be a very attractive place for any star....
how can a tm make the playoffs two yrs in a row, with hardly any roster change and they're deemed horrible? YES philly stunk all last season, but no optimisim that they can bounce back and be in the playoffs with the right man, (dougy Fresh Collins) at the helm? Not saying contender, but at the very least being what they were, when they gave orlando / detroit a run for their money in the playoffs.
I would love to see an Iggy for Rudy Gay (sign and trade) swap if anyone is traded (although I doubt it would happen) they need picks or young solid players if they trade away
Dalembert is a piece that may be trade bait mid season for a team looking to shed payroll during the offseason
76ers are rebuilding, they need to get younger. Doug Collins was brought in to rebuild
They're stuck with Brand (unless he gets injured and then retires)
The good news is when rebuilding it can take 3-5 years to do so (even the lakers were down for a couple years) patience is key while rebuilding. Jrue and Turner in 2-3 years should be a consistent solid players with Turner hopefully being at least a B level All Star, Brand would be coming off the books at that point.
If they are rebuilding they need to commit to it. Iggy for picks or young talent would be the best way because being the 7th or 8th seed in the east every year is not what they should be committed to. I'm not saying tank but if they don't commit to young talent they could be in the same position they are now in 3-4 years.