Shumpert to Wolves at 20?
SG is a position of need for the team (Wes is a 3), and i've heard plenty of Brooks/Hamilton talk, but wouldnt Shumpert be the better fit alongside Rubio? All Kahn's eggs are in the Rubio basket, for better or worse, and it would be wise to go with the 2 with the most complimentary skill set. Brooks is going to get buckets in the NBA, but is ball-dominant, and he won't be handling much on a team with Rubio. Hamilton is solid, but I don't think he brings much more than if they simply continued to play Wes at the 2 (good size, spot up shooting, lack quickness and handling of other 2s).
Wolves were deeply involved in trade talks for Iguodala, but why give up assets and take on a max contract when a similar player (shorter, better handles, less playmaking ability) in Shumpert?
I like shumpert, he's got a lot of upside....probably the best defender at the guard position, Jimmer said he was the best defender he faced throughout the workouts. He's a gamble because he's got a lot to learn but he might be the best gamble because he's got so much talent. A good coach could mold him into a good player.
His body, athleticism and defense kind of reminds me of DeShawn Stevenson with a mix of Javaris Crittenton skills
Like you said Whole42Minutes, he could be a great fit for the Wolves who are looking for a some defense at the SG position...he could get a lot of playing time in MN without being asked to do too much, and just let his defense and athleticism shine.
I think Shumpert fits better going to an established veteran team where he can come off the bench and play both guard positions. I think he'd be asked to do more than he's comfortable doing with T'wolves. Chicago is where I'd like to see him land but might not be there.
^^Chicago needs a shooter though, Chicago already has an athletic guard defender in Ronnie Brewer, and even Bogans. They need a dynamic offensive guy like Marshon Brooks or even Hamilton.
Shumpert has huge potential but he has much a risk, at best he could be combination of Tony Allen defense with Rodney Stuckey offense.
Makes sense to me, since Minny needs help at the shooting gaurd(Webster, Johnson, and Hayward are small forwards).
I get the veteran team argument, because yes there's definitely need for development, but I dont think he'd be asked to do too much right away...that nomination goes to Rubio. Beas, Love, and Wes can get buckets, and Rubio will be the primary handler, Shumpert would just have to run and defend, and could ease his offense along...and with handles he would be a not only a starting 2 on this team but a serviceable insurance policy if Rubio fails to impress....
and yes, I should've added in the original post this is all IF he's still there @ 20
The Timberwolves just brought in someone who shot 32 percent in Spain, and you are suggesting drafting someone who is capable of losing to Rubio in a shooting contest. Really?
Plus, Iman Shumpert was horrible -HORRIBLE- at Georgia Tech. He can't shoot and can't run the point. Don't compare him to Andre Iguodala who can actually play on both ends of the court. If Shumpert was anywhere near as good as some of you seem to think, Georgia Tech wouldn't have been at the bottom of the ACC.
I couldve sworn I heard Shumpert has been drilling shots during workouts. Although that is only workouts...
In fairness sake, I dont think even David Kahn would campaign for Rubio and Shumpert shooting jumpers all day
There is a three year body of work on his in-game shooting, and all you have to do is check out anyone's scouting report or article quoting NBA execs and scouts on Derrick Favors or Gani Lawal to see how poorly Shumpert's play was received. What did this year's eleventh place finish in a down ACC do to change that?
If you look at him as a point, where is the NBA team with a defensive specialist who touches the ball on every possession and initiate the offense? If you look at him as a 2, he was a 39 percent shooter just about every year.
The shooting percentages (and turnovers) are certainly nothing to hang the hat on, and I confess I haven't seen the comments from Favors and Lawal. But with those two being gone I figured that was the major reason why his assists went down every year, but scoring went up this last year.
So even if he put up stats on a bad team and has a reputation for selfish play, then he's what, Marshon Brooks minus the jumper, plus some athleticism? Clearly Shumperts shot needs work, but if someone with his combine numbers had a jumper, we'd be talking top 10, not 20ish.
Brooks is very ball dominant too, which is why he's not a good fit with Rubio. I don't endorse Shumpert for his scoring ability at this point, but rather an athlete to play off a ball-dominant PG but with a lot of potential to grow offensively. And no, I did admit his playmaking isn't on par with Iggy, but it can't be any worse than what Ridnour and Flynn showed last year, so if he did handle for 10-15 mins a game, I don't forsee that being necessarily terrible...
A 39% shooter who usually always asked to play outside of his game and forced to shoot jumpers instead of drive due to poor spacing and usually the guy who received the bal late into the shotclock and almost forced into shooting the poor late shotclock bailout shots. Can't wait until 5 years from now when I can look back at all of this Shumpert hate and laugh.
Shumpert horrible at Gtech..seriously? Must not have seen him play much this year because he was pretty damn good...GTech sucked because there coaching was beyond awful.
"A 39% shooter who usually always asked to play outside of his game and forced to shoot jumpers instead of drive due to poor spacing and usually the guy who received the bal late into the shotclock and almost forced into shooting the poor late shotclock bailout shots. Can't wait until 5 years from now when I can look back at all of this Shumpert hate and laugh."
How was he asked to play outside of his game?? He played both guard spots in his 3 years combined! Is he a SF or a PF to you? He took bad shots because he has bad shot selection. He wasn't efficient with Lawal and Favors on his team, and he wasn't efficient this past season when they weren't. He can't shoot, but shot a bunch of shots every year he's been in college like a guy who was just knocking down shot after shot. He also is a horrible decision maker, which you don't like in PG's. He defends and he's athletic, and he'll occasionally flash the ability to make impressive plays on offense, but he's inefficient as hell and he's turnover prone. Right now he's a flashy player who's skills haven't come close to catching up to body and athleticism. He never really had a great season in college.
"Right now he's a flashy player who's skills haven't come close to catching up to body and athleticism. He never really had a great season in college."
If that is true then why did the Knicks try to shut down all his workouts after he worked out with them? If he is as bad as you just described him scouts wouldn't even consider him as a first round pick. 17 points, 6 rebounds 4 assists and 3 steals...you don't consider that a great season?
"If that is true then why did the Knicks try to shut down all his workouts after he worked out with them? If he is as bad as you just described him scouts wouldn't even consider him as a first round pick. 17 points, 6 rebounds 4 assists and 3 steals...you don't consider that a great season?"
Because he's a 6'6 220 tweener guard with a 40+ inch vertical. That's why.
And no, I don't consider that a good season. 40% from the field? 27% from 3 on 5 attempts a ballgame? How you you not see the concern in a guy who shoots that many shots from that range and misses that much? A/TO of 3.5/2.3 for a future PG in the NBA? How can you be a bad decision maker and a turnover prone guy, and then not be able to shoot either? What position will he play?
I see him playing SG and I expect his shooting % will be better in the NBA. Hewitt always said Shumpert is a better shooter than he showed in the game and was just very streaky in college. I do question his decision making sometimes but I don't think it is as bad as you say. Also many times Shumpert had the ball at the end of the shot of the clock and had to force a bad shot mainly because Hewitt didn't understand how to run an offense.
Exactly JNIXON, he's not a pg, never has been but yet was expected to play as one at GT. And while I agree he takes questionable shots, it doesn't help that when a team is poorly coached and thus has poor spacing if he tries to drive the lane, more times than not someone is in the way thus causing a clogging of the lane allowing for more hep D. And yes, he was asked to go outside of his game as he was expected ot be a guy who you could put the bal in his hands and he would make others better, when that is not his game. He is a 2 who can drive and dish but shouldn't be asked to be a primary fcilitator.That's on the coaching staff. I've gone through this with you before and am not even bout to do it again. It's 11 p.m I gotta get up at 6 and have a pregnant g/f laying beside me who is in constant agony and am not really in the mood to argue w/ you over your biast opinion on Shumpert. We've already concluded that you are a Shumpert hater and won't change that until proven wrrong. Similar to the way you were with Jrue Holiday 2years if I'm not mistaken. At this point a day from the draft, I think we can agree to disagree. This is a subject that I'm sure will be reevaluated in the future by someone where you and I will both put our 2 cents in on. btw, call me crazy, but I 'd personally rather have the giy with 2way potential who can lockdown who already has a good base to mold than a shooter who more than likely won't develop any better like Fredette. It's a whoe lot easier to succeed(and admittedly fail) having veterans around you. The personal training that comes with being a pro can truely do wonders for guys. You're vastly underrating Shump based on the fact you see a pg. Same reason guys like Monta, and Arenas always slip through the cracks.
@JNIxon, how do I not see the issues, because I actually watched Shumpert pay since he was a Freshman. Thus the fact I agree he does try and go Kobe sometimes with moreso Shannon Brown results, the larger protion of the time he is a lateshot clock guy or is forced to settle for a jumper instead of getting too far into the paint where there is poor spacing and he finds himself literally nearly running into his own guys. And as mentioned before, he's usually the bail out playe. Also, just because he ins't a guy wo can carry a team on his own, doesn't mean he's going to be any less of a good role player. This is a late 1st early 2nd rounder were talking about. You're acting as if he's supposed to be the next D-Wade or something, a the while discrediting any potential the guy has. Why is it that YOU must see the so called red flags but deny seeing the green?
I definitely acknowledged that he was a good defender and he's physically and athletically gifted. One thing I'm not doing is hating. The stats are there though, and they know no bias.
I was wrong about Jrue Holiday 2 years when I was a HS kid who was JUST really starting to understand how to evaluate prospects. Iman Shumpert isn't Jrue Holiday and was in the exact opposite situation all 3 years in college. Holiday played with an All-American in Darren Collison, and Shumpert has played with Mo Miller and Glen Rice Jr.
Shumpert has played both guard spots, so I'm not buying the garbage that he wasn't used right. Unless you think he's not a guard. He has been inefficient with and without talented teammates. Lawal and Favors are both guys who would've been great if they had a PG to set them up for looks because they weren't great shot-creators. I find it funny that neither one of those guys played as good as they should've with Shumpert being a PG his Soph. season. Shumpert played a bunch as a SG as a Junior and shot poorly despite having his scoring numbers. He didn't turn it over as much, but his PG skills aren't very good at all. If you can't shoot at all and you're not efficient as a scorer, how will you play effectively at SG? If you can't make good decisions with the ball, how will you be an NBA PG? He's athletic and he's got size, but that doesn't mean he's a truly productive offense player. He has never been. He will defend and his potential is mostly on that end.
Lol, I KNOW he's not D-Wade. I'm not acting like he is Mr. "Iman Shumpert reminds me of Larry Hughes." I do see his efficiency numbers and I see how he's a terrible decision-maker and all of a sudden I'm a hater and I'm acting like he's D-Wade. Simply makes no sense to me.
i have them taking brooks @ 20
I don't mind Shumpert to the Wolves. They need that more than another scorer, unless it's one who can really shoot the lights out (I actually like Honeycutt more here), but Shumpert needs a good coach, and it looks like Rambis or Bickerstaff will be in Minn, so, for his sake, I hope not. Honeycutt already had a great coach and I'm far more inclined to like him in that spot.