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- Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 4:57pm #25840
shannon92ParticipantIn the last 8 years none of the nba champions have had an undersized PF Smallest Being Haslem at 6’10, Should gms even draft a player who is a undersized powerforward even if he is going to fill a need and is best player available if they can not win a championship with him?
2010 – Lakers – Gasol
2009 – Lakers – Gasol
2008 – Boston – Garnett
2007 – Spurs – Duncan
2006 – Heat – Haslem
2005 – Spurs – Duncan
2004 – Pistons – Wallace
2003 – Spurs – Duncan
Thoughts?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:01pm #490132
CodySLCParticipantHaslem is only 6"8
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:01pm #490181
CodySLCParticipantHaslem is only 6"8
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:08pm #490134
Stanford hoops1Ben Wallace is only 6’7 and Duncan played center and is only 6"10
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:08pm #490183
Stanford hoops1Ben Wallace is only 6’7 and Duncan played center and is only 6"10
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:11pm #490136
CodySLCParticipantI think he meant Rasheed Wallace. But your right Duncan was pretty much the center for both campionship teams listed.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:11pm #490185
CodySLCParticipantI think he meant Rasheed Wallace. But your right Duncan was pretty much the center for both campionship teams listed.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:12pm #490140
Stanford hoops1Also Gasol happened to have one of the best players ever on his team in Kobe and K.G had 2 other Hall of Famers plus One of the best point guards in the NBA. Those same PF struggled to get to the playoffs on there old teams
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:12pm #490189
Stanford hoops1Also Gasol happened to have one of the best players ever on his team in Kobe and K.G had 2 other Hall of Famers plus One of the best point guards in the NBA. Those same PF struggled to get to the playoffs on there old teams
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:13pm #490144
Stanford hoops1oh yeah they had two of them..lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:13pm #490193
Stanford hoops1oh yeah they had two of them..lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:15pm #490146
shannon92Participantim meaning someone like milsap i dont think can be on a championship winning team as a starting power forward so should a team like indiana who need a power forward have a crack at getting him? yes he might improve there team but they wont be able to win a championship with him ?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:15pm #490195
shannon92Participantim meaning someone like milsap i dont think can be on a championship winning team as a starting power forward so should a team like indiana who need a power forward have a crack at getting him? yes he might improve there team but they wont be able to win a championship with him ?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:34pm #490162
Lotto StudParticipantBig Baby is hmmmm…… how do I put it "over/undersized"
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:34pm #490211
Lotto StudParticipantBig Baby is hmmmm…… how do I put it "over/undersized"
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:45pm #490166
BKKnicksfanParticipantDidn’t that Heat team have Shaq and Zo on it?
When’s the last time a team with a undersized big starting as thier main guy won a title?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:45pm #490215
BKKnicksfanParticipantDidn’t that Heat team have Shaq and Zo on it?
When’s the last time a team with a undersized big starting as thier main guy won a title?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:15pm #490188
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantWhen’s the last time a team with a undersized big starting as thier main guy won a title?
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Ben Wallace was just 6-9 on the 2004 Pistons. Kendrick Perkins is big in terms of build but he’s actually a bit short by NBA center standards at 6-10. So maybe 2008.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:15pm #490236
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantWhen’s the last time a team with a undersized big starting as thier main guy won a title?
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Ben Wallace was just 6-9 on the 2004 Pistons. Kendrick Perkins is big in terms of build but he’s actually a bit short by NBA center standards at 6-10. So maybe 2008.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:17pm #490190
BKKnicksfanParticipant6-10 isn’t small.
Also, Ben Wallace wasn’t the better big on that team I feel over Sheed.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:17pm #490238
BKKnicksfanParticipant6-10 isn’t small.
Also, Ben Wallace wasn’t the better big on that team I feel over Sheed.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:25pm #490253
Tha_PrinceParticipantI know none of them have won a championship yet, but this year Kevin Love, Paul Millsap, and DeJaun Blair have made a solid impact with their team.
Put them in a starting spot on a freak team like the Heat and I could still see them winning a championship despite being undersized at their position.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:25pm #490204
Tha_PrinceParticipantI know none of them have won a championship yet, but this year Kevin Love, Paul Millsap, and DeJaun Blair have made a solid impact with their team.
Put them in a starting spot on a freak team like the Heat and I could still see them winning a championship despite being undersized at their position.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:27pm #490256
CodySLCParticipant6"10 is pretty small for a center. And Idk if he was better, but he sure made more of an impact on the game with his defence and rebounding. Ben Wallace was a straight up beast the year they won it.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 6:27pm #490208
CodySLCParticipant6"10 is pretty small for a center. And Idk if he was better, but he sure made more of an impact on the game with his defence and rebounding. Ben Wallace was a straight up beast the year they won it.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 7:52pm #490260
omphalosParticipantI see the point here though, I too question the effectiveness of undersized PFs, unless they are proven to be exceptional defenders. Especially given the trend for 6’11-7′ PFs at the moment. 6’9" probably won’t cut it for a championship team these days unless you have excellent length or a great weak-side shot-blocker at C like D-Howard. I’d be very carefully looking at an undersized PFs D before his offensive skills.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 7:52pm #490310
omphalosParticipantI see the point here though, I too question the effectiveness of undersized PFs, unless they are proven to be exceptional defenders. Especially given the trend for 6’11-7′ PFs at the moment. 6’9" probably won’t cut it for a championship team these days unless you have excellent length or a great weak-side shot-blocker at C like D-Howard. I’d be very carefully looking at an undersized PFs D before his offensive skills.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 8:03pm #490266
BigDParticipantLook at DaJuan Blair, at only 6’7, Duncan round 6’10, and there top atm, and IMO going to win the ring this year.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 8:03pm #490316
BigDParticipantLook at DaJuan Blair, at only 6’7, Duncan round 6’10, and there top atm, and IMO going to win the ring this year.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 9:39pm #490299
shannon92Participantwould u say that duncan is under sized ? i wouldnt
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 9:39pm #490349
shannon92Participantwould u say that duncan is under sized ? i wouldnt
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 3:34am #490319
omphalosParticipantDuncan is also a great defender though, so he is skilled enough to overcome any deficiencies in size.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 3:34am #490369
omphalosParticipantDuncan is also a great defender though, so he is skilled enough to overcome any deficiencies in size.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 3:59am #490329
HitsterParticipantAny lack of height in Blair is covered by Duncan and Kendrick Perkins had KG who was DPOY at his side on the Celtics’s 2008 Championship Team.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 3:59am #490380
HitsterParticipantAny lack of height in Blair is covered by Duncan and Kendrick Perkins had KG who was DPOY at his side on the Celtics’s 2008 Championship Team.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 7:13am #490403
TallmanNYCParticipantI don’t think you can call 6′ 9" (in shoes) undersized for a power forward even today, but it is definitely no more than average. Also you need to consider leaping ability, bulk and arm length (really the max height you can reach without jumping is much more important than how high the top of your head is). But I agree it is interesting to look at how much height there has been in the champions in the last ten years.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 7:13am #490453
TallmanNYCParticipantI don’t think you can call 6′ 9" (in shoes) undersized for a power forward even today, but it is definitely no more than average. Also you need to consider leaping ability, bulk and arm length (really the max height you can reach without jumping is much more important than how high the top of your head is). But I agree it is interesting to look at how much height there has been in the champions in the last ten years.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 8:33am #490414
eric palmerParticipantI’m sure the Mavericks would much rather have selected Glen Davis over the 6’11" Nick Fazekas back in ’07, and I’m sure many teams regret letting DeJuan Blair slip past them all the way to the early second.
Basically, what I’m trying to say is-with the amount of post-lotto/second rounders that don’t pan out and never amount to be anything more than a 4th or 5th guy off the bench, if not worse, I think teams should concern themselves less with filling certain height/weight/athleticism criteria and just pick the best ball-player, especially if they’re a championship caliber team that is close to winning a title and could use maybe a little more beef under the boards.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 8:33am #490463
eric palmerParticipantI’m sure the Mavericks would much rather have selected Glen Davis over the 6’11" Nick Fazekas back in ’07, and I’m sure many teams regret letting DeJuan Blair slip past them all the way to the early second.
Basically, what I’m trying to say is-with the amount of post-lotto/second rounders that don’t pan out and never amount to be anything more than a 4th or 5th guy off the bench, if not worse, I think teams should concern themselves less with filling certain height/weight/athleticism criteria and just pick the best ball-player, especially if they’re a championship caliber team that is close to winning a title and could use maybe a little more beef under the boards.
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