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Should Stern Be Inducted into Hall of Fame in August?

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Should Stern Be Inducted into Hall of Fame in August?

"The recently retired Stern was elected Friday to the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame and will be enshrined with the Class of 2014 on Aug. 8 in Springfield, Mass." http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10457751/david-stern-headlines-naismit...

This guy protected Sterling every step of the way, even steering CP3 to the Clippers for "basketball reasons".

Tim Donaghy and all the other crooked refs that didn't get caught, http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/donaghy-suggests-refs-... Stern inherited a booming NBA in 1985, and was lucky to be commissioner when Michael Jordan ruled. Why does Stern deserve to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame? Let him make 5 free throws in a row first. That'll be the day.


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Sterling is the same guy he

Sterling is the same guy he has always been, that EVERYONE has known about. But, the Clippers keep cashing those checks.

I think the MJ "retirement" is a bigger story.

What about steroids or HGH? I think the guys are on something...

Those two stories would be bigger in my opinion...

Ironically, the fixing of the draft would be a very, very minor story in terms of broader national interest, but would be a BIGGER story in terms of the NBA game itself and its competitive balance.

I think the ref scandal is a BIG DEAL (like draft fixing) as an on court issue with some of the same MORAL issues of STERLINGATE.

STERLINGATE might just show that David Stern got out just in time.

The ref thing and the Sterling thing make the league look dirty. Fixing the draft is bad ethics but probably good for business. Steroids wouldn't be unique for basketball, but again, it would be bad ethics but probably good for business.

Steroids were a biggie for the MLB because steroids AFFECTED records. Home runs, and all those things. I think the NBA records are safe. Nobody is scoring 100 points in a game or grabbing 55 boards, no matter what they are on.

The NFL has some bad ownership and management, some indiscretions, and some steroid issues, BUT the brain damage story is the big one for the NFL for some reason. It just caught on with the public and the fans.

STERLINGATE could do the same for the NBA. It could be a case of this story came along at the worst time for the NBA and for this particular news cycle. There is no Magic-Bird transcendent rivalry. No Michael Jordan. So without those things, the NBA is more susceptible and vulnerable to a scandal.

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If Silver doesn't handle this

If Silver doesn't handle this Sterling thing well, and there might be little he can do, it will reflect very poorly on Stern, Silver, and Sterling. And people will finally start wondering how Silver got his job in the first place.

Shalom.

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I understand that it is a big

I understand that it is a big deal to have Bigot NBA owner as being a Bigot is probably the worst thing you can be as a human, and I understand the backlash but once the initial anger wears off I see this just going away. It's not going to linger. It's not going to be a black eye on the face of the league. Everybody basically already knew how Donald Sterling felt, these aren't new allegations, it's just the first time we hear him say it (I'll get back to this). Players and agents are saying the right things now, but next year, if the Clippers are offering the most money for a player, you think a player is not going to take it just to refuse to work for a bigot? Please.... these players are selfish and after money just as much as Sterling is. Money trumps all, even racisim, it is proved in everything that has trasnpired before or after this so called "Sterlinggate". The Players will continue to play because they have families and friends to feed and mortgages to pay. They have an opportunity to take a bigger stand but they won't, and I don't fault them for that. All they want to do is stand and scream and point fingers and say get rid of this guy...someone else take action to fix this problem, but will any of the players become an active solution to try to fix the problem? Nope... they want other people to fix it for them when they have the power right now.

Calling it Sterlinggate implies that there is some sort of conspiracy going on right now. There isn't, like I said people knew this of Sterling and these players continue to play and freely sign there. Chris Paul who is the head of the NBPA for example had a chance to walk away from such a situation this past off season and what did he choose to do? Now he wants us to feel sorry for him because things we already knew just so happened to be recorded? Nobody made him put pen to paper, if you say he didn't know how Sterling felt that is ridiculous because EVERYBODY knew how Sterling felt.

I'm not defending Sterling here but we are talking about bigger things at stake than a racist basketball owner. We are talking about consitutional rights. Things that our country were founded on.. Freedom of speech for one. Sterling has the right to hate black people if he wants (No matter how ignorant he is for it). He has the right to openly state how much he hates them, especially when he is in his own home. So how do we penalize him for that? Obviously we want to see him penalized but anything short of a fine will be really over stepping boundaries here, again we are talking about a fundamental principle given to is and signed in to our bill of rights. He has that freedom to state whatever he wants. Just as the players have the freedom to handle the situation the way they see fit. Right now the players see it fit to take the court and continue to line this mans pockets with money, under the guise that they are doing it for the "team". Yeah the team he owns. The team he will still benefit from. You think old money like Sterling gives a &$#%#&@!? No he only cares about the bottom line, the bottom line that won't take a hit unless the players choose to act. Whatever Silver decides to fine him, he will make up in 2 or 3 playoff games. Again he doesn't care. His actions in the past have proved this much. Silver must be careful because if he tries to over reach it can create a real slippery slope. Will players and owners and coaches not be allowed the fundamental human right of freedom of speech? How will he enforce this? Again as &$#%#&@! as this situation is, we are talking about something bigger at stake than basketball.

29 owners have already tried to get Sterling to sell his team and re-locate to Anaheim, and they were extremely close a few years ago, when Sterling agreed to it but essentially backed out at the last minute. Nobody can force him to sell his team. NOBODY.

There are bigger things at play here, can't a man no matter how wrong... shouldn't he be free to say what he wants in the confines of his own home? I'm sure I'll be called a racist just for saying this but she was baiting him the whole conversation. She clearly had alterior motives. Again it doesn't make what he said any less horrible or any more okay, but shouldn't he have the right to say it? In his own home? If you disagree than you are essentially saying we don't have the right to express our own opinions on this website.

I doubt anybody will read this entire thing lol, and if you did I applaud you. Feel free to neg me or plus me any way you like. I'm just tired of reading the stupidity of FORCE HIM OUT or make him SELL. People just don't understand. How are you going to force some guy to sell his team by exercising his right to freedom of speech, just because some gold digger decided she knew exactly what he was (a racist) and she decided she was going to record and bait him into speaking his mind. His beliefs are wrong, his right to say them is not.

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Sir, the question was, is

Sir, the question was, is this your handwriting?

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lol

lol

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if you think stern hasn't been a good commish...

If you think stern has been a bad commish you're an Idiot. read up on some basketball history, he wasn't just "lucky to start out the same time as MJ". He's developed the NBA as a business beyond what past commissioners could dream of. he has reached the NBA out to the furthest corners of the globe and we now have players from dozens of countries and all continents.

5 Years before Stern came along there was a legit chance the NBA wouldn't have lasted past 1990. Yeah Bird Magic and Jordan helped, but Stern was running the show. He helped by making the NBA draft a lottery, preventing some of the most disgusting tanking we would have seen (this year is nothing compared to what could have been). He sanctioned the hand checking rule which opened things up and made the game more guard oriented (2005), which is more fun to watch. He's established the D League as a legitimate 2nd option.

And as far as the CP3 trade, everyone always accused Stern of helping huge markets like NY and LA (The Knicks - Ewing draft issue for example) and come up with conspiracy theories, yet he did the opposite by preventing CP3 from going to the Lakers. No matter what people will talk trash about him because he's the commissioner who never played basketball, but he's done more for the NBA without picking up a ball than any modern player who deserves to be in the HOF.

And why are all the comments about Donald Sterling? Start a new topic for that ish...

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Hey genius, did I say he was

Hey genius, did I say he was a bad commissioner or did I question whether he was Hall of Fame material?

5 years before Stern, blah blah blah. What happened in those next five years, when Stern wasn't even commissioner yet. People like Stern get too much credit because their buddies run the media. Just like CBS Board member Bob Kraft getting maximum glorification from CBS. Go figure.

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Did you just say Stern is

Did you just say Stern is accused of pushing stars to big markets like NY and LA, and then cite CP3 going to the LA Clippers as evidence to the contrary?

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The first sentence

That first sentence was just a generalization, not a direct response to your post. The globalization of the NBA has happened pretty much entirely under David Stern's watch. But the point here is that if he were as crooked as some people say he would have immediately let the CP3-Lakers trade go through. I guess my main point overall is that there's a section in the HOF called "contributors" with a bunch of people who've never played or coached. And David Stern has certainly contributed a great deal to the NBA.

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I'm sure Sterling was very

I'm sure Sterling was very grateful for Stern's contribution of Chris Paul.

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We'll....

I'm sure sterling would rather have had Nash lol

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