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Should the Pacers cut ties with Lance Stephenson

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/436976-indiana-pacers-should-cut-ties...

I want to hear from everybody about this. Especially Pacer fans. Do you guys really think that the Pacers should cut ties with Lance Stephenson, like the guy that wrote the article thinks.


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Cut

Cut him loose. I know they are going to pay the guy a lot of money to do nothing, but I have seen buyouts for much worse than what they are paying him. They worked too hard to get rid of trouble makers, which is probably why this team hasn't taken any big gambles the last few years and have probably factored in behavior more than other teams. Maybe if you are lucky the team can give him a big long suspension so he's not collecting all that money, then cut him loose when he's done with it. The guy seems to have a history with violence and going after women, just makes me wonder how many times he hasn't been caught in the act.

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lance

shud not be able to play in the nba and who abusews women shud follow his ass
how do live your life knowing how much of a &$#%#&@! u are
&$#%#&@! you lance stevenson

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i think we need to hear all

i think we need to hear all the details first. But right now, i cant imagine any excusable reason for his actions. If i was the owner, i would cut him. Too bad too becasue he has a lot of potential.

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I'm not in the business of

I'm not in the business of judging people, but this looks really bad. It's sad really. The Pacers took a chance on him and signed him to a very good deal for a second round pick. I don't know why he'd mess this up... He has a great opportunity here and A LOT of people were excited about him here.

He's innocent until proven guilty... IF he's proven guilty, I think that Bird will cut ties with him. The Indianapolis newspaper is all over this and the state of Indiana as a whole doesn't play with individuals who abuse women.

I hope he gets help. He's going to look back and feel stupid for blowing this opportunity.

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I guess we live in an age

I guess we live in an age where forgiveness and second chances don't matter anymore.

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I thought Stephenson was on

I thought Stephenson was on the verge of turning things around. Pushing your girlfriend, whom is pregnant with your baby, means you lose all of your man points. I was going to root for this guy, but he sounds like garbage and shouldn't be in the NBA.

So is his career basically over now before it even started? I read an article that said if he is convicted of all counts he is looking at 12 years in prison, with a minimum of 7 years (if convicted with just one count).

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INDYBBALL

I don't know where you from but where I'm from it's always been GUILTY until proven innocent. I lost all respect for him as a man.

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I believe in second chances,

I believe in second chances, but I think he'll have to get it with another team. The Pacers have a history and they've worked hard to shed it. The Pacers franchise and fans have been through a lot since the brawl, etc and I don't know if this will be tolerated.

I can't see Bird giving him a second chance.

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Indianabasketball, what is

Indianabasketball, what is the general feeling of the local media/fans on this issue so far?

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Yes, cut ties with him. I

Yes, cut ties with him. I would love to have him in Blue and Orange backing up Felton in Gotham.

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Lmao

Something Interesting that hardly any knows is he would have committed to Kansas but what happened was a few days before he was going to commit Xavier Henry Decommitted from Memphis and basically Kansas told Lance just wait to see what happens between them and Xavier because basically in there minds they would have had Xavier( not a big surprise) so Xavier obviously ended up committing to Kansas and the rest is history, so glad we got Xavier instead of Lance.

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a man who puts his hand on a

a man who puts his hand on a female is &$#%#&@! in my book. I really feel bad for Lance tho, regardless of his motivation of doing so, he pretty much threw his whole career even his life out of the window, I really thought he was gonna be the future for the pacers, and I also did not understand why such a talent would be taken in the second round, but now I see why, dude is &$#%#&@! up in the head.

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so Xavier obviously ended up

so Xavier obviously ended up committing to Kansas and the rest is history, so glad we got Xavier instead of Lance.

Really? I think Lance and Xavier have similar seasons in college last year.

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This guy is headed toward the

This guy is headed toward the JR Rider route. I say the Pacers keep him, for now. If trouble continues to persist then cut the guy.

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It's somewhat split. You have

It's somewhat split. You have those people that are in "wait and see" the details emerge mode and then you have those people in "get rid of him now" mode.

Mostly... It's just disappointment though. Like the shake your head type of disappointment. Everyone likes him here and the Pacers have been raving about him.

Not only is he being accused of abuse on a woman, he also had a weapon. The Pacers already had to deal with the whole Stephen Jackson situation... It just looks bad for Stephenson.

Bird is a good person and believes in second chances... He gave second chances to Artest, Jackson and even Shawne Williams. I'm not sure if Stephenson will get one.

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well personally

Even though obviously we ended up choking against Northern Iowa I don't think Lance Stephenson would have helped the team any more, I honestly think he would have hurt us a lot. He was turnover prone, out of control, to me doesn't really seem like a team player and just I don't imagine him fitting in well with the team we had

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I disagree. Stephenson wasn't

I disagree. Stephenson wasn't really out of control on the court. If anything, I think KU gets past Northern Iowa because Lance is someone who would have rose to it. He would have wanted the ball in his hands and everything. Henry? Eh, he looked scared at times IMO.

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It was Collin's team, he was

It was Collin's team, he was the guy who was gonna get the last shot, the guy with the ball in his hands and as timid as Henry looked at times, Stephenson wouldn't have got the freedom to jack shots. KU would have benefitted from his ability to get to the basket, one of their weaknesses this season, but I think it was ultimately the swagger and lack of adaption to Northern Iowa that lost them the game. I don't think Lance would have added humility and perspective to the KU team last year, which was, in my opinion, what lost them the NIU game.

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I highly doubt your Knicks would pick him up for 1 they passed on him not once but twice & the hilarious part it was back 2 back lmao.... but who wants another Marbury on the Knicks....Steph messed it up for all hometown players.

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Mas

"A criminal complaint provided Monday by the Brooklyn district attorney's office said that as Williams lay at the bottom of the stairs, Stephenson picked up her head and slammed it on the bottom step."

You stay classy Lance Stephenson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5467630

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This whole thing sucks just

This whole thing sucks just being a fan of the nba. I constantly hear from friends and hear it that the media that nba is a "thug" league. David Stern's tried hard to change that perception then a member of the league throws his baby mama down a flight of stairs right after news breaks that another player is arrested for marijuana possession.

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I think if Stephenson played

I think if Stephenson played on KU they would've advanced too. I don't know about the whole season, but Stephenson would've probably went on one of those scoring sprees and rose his defensive intensity in that NIU game. He definitely would've come out and played more aggressive than Henry did. Sherron Collins was a HUGE reason why Kansas lost though, he played way too wild and got too trigger happy. Stephenson would've definitely gave them more of a chance to win a game like that IMO.

I think the Pacers will let him go. I could be wrong, but I feel that they will. It's retarded that he'd do something like that, but I think he'll get another chance. I don't like that he did what he did though. Gotta draw the line in the dirt somewhere man.

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Stephenson's next court date

Stephenson's next court date isn't until Oct. 19th, so I wonder how Bird will handle this until then.

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If they cut Lance....I could

If they cut Lance....I could see him going to a team like Dallas or hell, Minnesota to prove everyone wrong.

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I think if Stephenson played

I think if Stephenson played on KU they would've advanced too. I don't know about the whole season, but Stephenson would've probably went on one of those scoring sprees and rose his defensive intensity in that NIU game. He definitely would've come out and played more aggressive than Henry did. Sherron Collins was a HUGE reason why Kansas lost though, he played way too wild and got too trigger happy. Stephenson would've definitely gave them more of a chance to win a game like that IMO.

AGREED.

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Not trying to be a douchebag

but here me out, you say Xavier Henry was timid at times, especially in the game against Northern Iowa, and also that he and Lance had similar numbers, but I really can't believe you guys think Lance Stephenson would have done a better job than Xavier, alright similar numbers but look at the teams, Kansas who had so many options to score, or Cincinnati which was a good team but didn't have nearly as many good scoring options as Kansas LMO. That same thing ties into that is Xavier wanted to he could have gone into scoring sprees, he did a lot earlier in the season but we had many players so he didn't need to, it would have been no different if Lance was on the team, Xavier offered much better long range shooting and was also a good insider scorer, have to look at the differences between the teams and situations, LMO.

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While I'm in absolutely no

While I'm in absolutely no way condoning what he's done, the last time this city called for cutting ties with anyone with character flaws we ended up with a lineup of Ford/Daniels/Granger/Murphy/Rasho.

Is this a tremendous **** up? Yes. My hope is that the incident is learned from and used as something to improve both Lance and the problem of domestic disturbance as whole, but having the team go into "can't have any bad people mode" is not what this team needs. The actual truth is that this team needs to win games or they will be leaving and dropping talented players for nothing is not going to help that goal.

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and Iggy

Your right about Sherron he played sloppy and chucked up many bad shots, he was trying to hard

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@Galamoth

@Galamoth

The team doesn't need players who are going to give the franchise bad publicity either though.

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When he only had two left on

When he only had two left on his list to commit to (Marylan and Arizona), he was going to commit to Maryland, but they kind of backed off of him at the end. Maryland was one of thde final teams that were still recruiting amidst all the off-the-court problems and worrying if he would be eligible, but stopped recruiting him at the end.

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but here me out, you say

but here me out, you say Xavier Henry was timid at times, especially in the game against Northern Iowa, and also that he and Lance had similar numbers, but I really can't believe you guys think Lance Stephenson would have done a better job than Xavier

YES I DO. Xavier Henry was timid all season. He was average in every game you lost this season. Had Lance went to Kansas, not only would he had put up similar numbers, he probably would have have been a higher assists guy and he would have been a late game guy. Henry last season WAS NOT. Collins was alright in the clutch in late games but to have Collins and a hot blooded, monster like Lance? You would have probably took the title last season.

Lance is a guy who steps up in those late pressure moments. I said before, I wanted him to go to St. John's because he could have helped push STJ for a NIT Birth at the worst. He was underrated last season IMO. He should have went in the top 25 in this year's draft but CHARACTER ISSUES hurt him.

Plus, your moving him from STJ all the way to Kansas. He would have been fine.

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Xavier Henry

was not timid all season, not even close, he was our leading scorer by far in the non conference, 18 PPG and like 48% from three point, in the Conference games he cooled off a little bit and let Sherron Collins take over, it's interesting that they basically switched because at the end of non conference Xavier was averaging 18 and sherron was averaging 13 and at the end of the season those stats switched. He started getting really hot though again towards the end of the conference schedule and into the big 12 tourny, were obviously not going to agree about who would have been better but Xavier wasn't really timed at all.

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Xavier Henry was limited by

Xavier Henry was limited by shoddy ball-handling. Teams gameplanned against him and pressured him every time he had the ball. That's why he lost aggressiveness. Not because Kansas didn't need him to contribute. I'm sure KU would've loved for Henry to add more scoring punch, but Henry was limited by his ball-handling, especially during the conference slate.

Lance Stephenson played on a Cincy team with a ball-dominant scoring guard (Deonta Vaughn....who was bad trying to play PG). If Stephenson played on a team with either good coaching or a less ball-dominant/true PG, he would've shown Henry up, especially in terms of scoring ability. In close games, the majority of the time Stephenson did his thing and came through as much as possible. I can't say that about Henry

Both play about the same level of D, but Stephenson is slightly better IMO, especially when he pressures the ball. Henry is fundamental on D, Stephenson is an aggressive guy who likes to take his man out of his comfort zone by pressuring tight. It's a matter of preference

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I just read in the article

I just read in the article that the judge released him W/O bail... That's pretty unusual.

Maybe there are details that have yet to emerge?

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Stats

here are there stats compared
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45944
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=46115
They speak for themselves but Xavier averaged more points, by far 3 point percentage, steals, a lot by free throw and field goal percentage basically same shots taken and free throws taken.

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I was very frustrated with

I was very frustrated with Xavier Henry for most of the season with the exception of a few non conference games against some poor non conference teams. He wasn't timid, he just jacked 3's, he did not adjust nor use his big body to take advantage of smaller guards. He bounced back from his slump late in the year and had a couple good games down the stretch, but mainly because he started hitting his 3's. That being said I don't think Lance would have been a whole lot better. Like I said earlier KU would have benefitted from his ability to get to the rim, Sherron was really the only guard on that roster that could get to the hole and he was 5'10''. Lance to start the season had an awful shot selection and in a more disciplined KU system where they had the depth they didn't need him to play big minutes, he would have been pulled in the same way Xavier did during the start of the season. I think Lance's decision to goto Cincinatti was the best for him because he got more minutes than he would have gotten at KU, Lance worked through his issues at Cinci and I think he wouldn't have gotten the PT in Kansas. Yes, he would have added some muscle and penetration to the back court, but i dont think they would have advanced any further in the tournament.

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She probably either kicked

She probably either kicked him in the nuts..or she slapped the dog-sh*t out of him probably lol...smh

Those are my unreleased details without being there. haha

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I gtg

For practice but that's what I got

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just leave him where he

just leave him where he is..... i know hes young and retarted for now... but hes also young and TALENTED too... its not like magnum rolle had slapped his chick... lance stephenson is gnna be a baller i think... yes, hes dumb as a rock, thats obvs... give him time to mature.... know it sounds dumb... but give him time

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its worst then i thought from

its worst then i thought from what ive read. not only did he "allegedly" push her down the stairs but he went down the steps after and smashed her head against the first step. add to the fact that he waiting for her to get home and that there was past history of him putting his hands on her but the family didnt press charges because they didnt want to mess up his future. If everything reported turns out to be true then hes in a very bad spot

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I heard that too and there

I heard that too and there were allegedly two witnesses also.

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Born Ready for a jail bid.

Throwing your pregnant girl down the stairs and then smacking her head against the steps... that's just crazy. Get this guy some anger management classes. Now we don't know what exactly happened, for all we know he just found out his girl has been cheating on him and that the baby ain't even his. Anyway, to come back to reality, his lawyer will probably plead temporary insanity for the act and might even save him a bid.

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pregnate?..i know she already

pregnate?..i know she already has his child but where did you read that shes pregnate?

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if that hapened to u wud u even think bout beating up a girl no lance is a &$#%#&@! get him out tha nba

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U guys are overracting

Lance's personal life with his woman, shouldn't matter...Jason Kidd is still a hall of famer, eventhough he use to beat up on his wife...People still saw him as professional and classy guy...Mark Jackson use to beat up his wife, and he was still an effective player and didn't bring no baggage to the locker

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it should matter but at the

it should matter but at the same time i recall when kidd used to beat his wife but a big deal wasnt made out of it

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Purt him in jail. Dude is

Purt him in jail.

Dude is NEVER gong to change. He is too far down the pipes.

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I think they should get him

I think they should get him psychiatric help for the time being and keep him in suspension from playing games until the judge gives a sentence. Bird is just bold enough right now to give him another chance because as much as people in Indiana might disagree with the way he plays I'm sure they are also frustrated with being a mediocre team. I'm hoping this situation isn't as bad as it has been made out to be and Lance can stick around.

If they do get rid of him though, does anyone else think they should have a crack at getting Xavier Henry given that he's still in a contractual dispute with Memphis?

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I feel the need to comment on

I feel the need to comment on this. I am not saying anything until I get all the details and why he did this. I mean I would hate to believe he just hit her w/no reason. I never looked up to Lance, but always loved him as a player and whether or not he has an NBA career I will still root for him as a player. I will also hope that he repairs his image. The best way to repair oneself is to admit your wrong. I am not one who will kick a guy when he is on the ground. I wouldn't cut Lance, but suspend him indefinitely. Basketball is the last thing that should be on Lance's mind.

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I feel the need to comment on

Sorry double post.

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