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Should the Knicks match the Rockets offer to Lin?

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Should the Knicks match the Rockets offer to Lin?

Lin is expected to sign a 4 year 30 million dollar contract from Houston. Knicks would be over the luxury tax if they sign him. Should the knicks match the offer?


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Yes!

Yes, the Knicks need to match this offer. It's a no-brainer. They simply cannot get by with a 39 year-old Jason Kidd as their full time PG. Jeremy Lin starting with Jason Kidd off the bench is a perfect combination. I was always in favor of this move over acquiring Steve Nash to be the starter (especially since it would have meant giving up Shumpert). Lin's contract may seem hefty, but the revenue he brings in is ridiculous and will at least effectively nullify the huge contract.

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They just got J Kidd to come in and give some solid minutes while being a mentor for Shumpert. No way should they match an offer for a shoot first PG.

I think everyone is overrating Lin's performance this past season. Every team was worn down from an increased games schedule and lack of pre season training camp. This allowed players like Lin who sat out the first 1/3rd of the season to come in with fresh legs against players who were being worn down by 3-4 games a week.

Lin will be a good PG in the league but will probably be an average starter and is in no way worth 30 mil over 4 yrs.

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Kidd is supposed to be Lin's mentor

Kidd is going to be Lin's mentor, not Shumpert's. Shumpert is a natural 2 and looked extremely uncomfortable running the point all year. It's something he can do in spurts, but asking him to be a full-time 1 is a recipe for disaster. It would really hurt his development.

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Shumpert may not be a natural PG

but that's what everyone said about Westbrook. Shumpert's best attribute is his athletisism which is best used as a PG. As a SG Shumpert may be ok/good but at PG he could change games. Amare and Melo have a hard enough time as is sharing shots. Why keep a Pg who shoots 15-20 shots a game in the mix?

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Who is "everyone" that said

Who is "everyone" that said the same thing about Westbrook?

The reason for the Knicks keeping Lin goes beyond what he does as a player.

Jeremy Lin is a veritable cash cow for the Knicks.

Just read this: www.hoopsworld.com/is-lin-a-lock-to-return-to-new-york

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Just proves my point

^ Good article

"In reality, the reason GM Glen Grunwald, and especially owner Jim Dolan, are highly incentivized to bring Lin back to New York has more to do with Nielson Ratings and jersey sales, than rebounds or assist-to-turnover ratios."

My point: If you want a better basketball team then have J Kidd mentor Shumpert. If you want to make money have J Kidd mentor Lin.

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I disagree

Who are you to say that you won't have a better basketball team with Jason Kidd menoring Jeremy Lin?

Iman Shumpert has so far proven to be more of a Shooting Guard than a Point Gurad. Why try to make him something that he is not when you already have your Point Guard in Jeremy Lin?

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Nooooooo....

I like Jeremy Lin and I hope he gets paid somewhere but if the Knicks do it they're stupid.... a shoot-first PG in New Yiddy is never going to work... ever. They already have a problem getting shots for the rest of the team with my Man Melo on deck... last thing they need is another shooter full-time... and I personally don't think Lin will shine with Woodson at the Helm, he's play no D whatsoever... D'Antoni's system got Q. Richardson 55 million dollars... catch me next year with the Linsanity when everyone is really paying attention to everything he does unlike this year when he was just a breath of fresh air for the league and especially Knick fans... He might do really well in Houston since he'll be that guard but I can't see it working in NY long term.

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Nooooooo....

I like Jeremy Lin and I hope he gets paid somewhere but if the Knicks do it they're stupid.... a shoot-first PG in New Yiddy is never going to work... ever. They already have a problem getting shots for the rest of the team with my Man Melo on deck... last thing they need is another shooter full-time... and I personally don't think Lin will shine with Woodson at the Helm, he's play no D whatsoever... D'Antoni's system got Q. Richardson 55 million dollars... catch me next year with the Linsanity when everyone is really paying attention to everything he does unlike this year when he was just a breath of fresh air for the league and especially Knick fans... He might do really well in Houston since he'll be that guard but I can't see it working in NY long term.

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Iman Shumpert has so far proven to be more of a Shooting Guard than a Point Gurad. Why try to make him something that he is not when you already have your Point Guard in Jeremy Lin?

Because it is clear that the way both Shumpert and Lin play point guard will not be successful for the NYK. No matter which one stays they will need to adjust how they play the position and I think we all agree Kidd could provide serious help in either players development.

While I agree that Lin is more of a PG than Shumpert so his learning curve might be better, If both have to change thier style of play anyway... I would take the one that has the tools to be physically dominate at the position.

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From a marketing standpoint

From a marketing standpoint alone Jeremy Lin is easily worth 30 million dollars to the Knicks. He will also make them a better basketball team so it makes sense to match the offer. Jason Kidd is not a starting point guard in the league anymore, even he knows that.

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Whoever thinks Shumpert is a

Whoever thinks Shumpert is a PG doesn't know what they are watching.

I know some people who've been watching him in Georgia Tech. and they agree he's a SG. Also thought he might be similar to Westbrook earlier in his career his jump shot has a ways to go to be anything close to Westbrook's now. out there.

The luxury tax means very little to the Knicks, if they had a 120 million payroll with the likes of Curry, Marbury they can pay the luxury tax now. Also the deal only hurts them in year 3 a lot the first 2 years he makes 5 million a year.

I agree that Lin is not an elite PG but he gets to learn from Jason Kidd and with a full training camp with the same players for the most part from last year he'll improve.

This whole notion that the league was asleep and tired because of the schedule is just nonsense by haters. Why was Lin the only one with performances like that then. Use your head yeah he's not gonna produce like he did in the first 7 or 8 game but he'll be a solid PG. With Nash, Dragic and Lowry all moving the last couple of days who is left at PG. Kidd at 39 can't give you 30 plus mins a night and he's not the same player. As a backup he'll be a lot more effective and if they Knicks can add a SG to fill in till Shumpert is healthy along with JR Smith and a backup for Chandler they will be a legit team in the East.

All I hear from Knicks haters is they can't win w/this group but what is that based on not even 1 whole season together. Why because they lost in the playoffs in 5 games to the Heat w/out Lin, Shumpert while Bibby and Baron Davis were running the point. Indiana lost in 6 and Bosh only played in Game 1, even OKC lost in 5. Passing on Lin would be foolish they have 3 years left with this group and then a ton of exprings. No way they let Lin go not after watching the Nets make all those moves.

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Chewy....I am going with you on this one

I have to agree with the guys here that are saying keep Shumpert and use him at PG. Shumpert is a combo guard. To say he is not a PG is inaccurate. To say he is a SG strictly is inaccurate.

Shumpert, like Westbrook is MORE of a SG than a PG....that doesnt mean that is his most effective position. Everyone knows Westbrook is more of a SG, but OKC is more successful with him being the full time PG. I dont know how you cant see that. Shumpert, same thing. He leaves a lot to be desired as a PG, but he has the tools to be very effective. I did watch him at GT for 3 years.

The Knicks need defense....not to mention size and athleticism in the backcourt.

It would certainly be best to for NY to keep Lin, but at that price tag, I believe it is too much and will become an albatross with them trying to come out of the East.

It just all depends, if winning in the future is more important to the Knicks then the immediate marketability value (hope he doesnt get hurt) then I dont think this is a contract they should match.

The best way to describe matching this offer is "extremely high risk/medium reward". I wouldnt worry about Lin's turnovers so much if he was a better defender. Then his game would balance out much better.

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look at Lin stats

under there cyrrent coach Woodson, not thatinmflated Dantoni BS.

the first to years are cheap but by that time teams will have seen him n scouted for him and he will (imo) look like an overpaid (below maybe) starter getting paid a ton by yr 3. If the other revenue tht can be earned make that worthwhile then make that move otherwise sign n trade get some assets while u can.

How much betterdo you guys really thnk he can/will get thoughj(J.Lin)

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Knicks keep LIn

First of all, whoever thinks Shump should be the starting PG for Knicks has no idea what they are talking about. Shump is going to be out for the first part of the season due to his ACL. To top that off, Shump is a natural 2 guard with some ability to play the point. Having Shump play point is the same as having Wade play point not Westbrook.

They brought Kidd to NYK to help Lin along with the team, his leadership skill will help not only Lin but Stat and Melo as well. Lin is not a shoot first PG, he's a pick and roll point guard. Reason why he scored so many points during the streak is because teams wanted to see if this guy was legit. Teams did not send help defense because they didn't know if he could score of pick and roll. After the first few games, teams realize he could score at the basket so they dare him to shoot. Then he shot and still made baskets, this is when teams realize this guy was legit and sent in doubles that cause him to start struggling. Kidd will come in and help Lin learn the game to reduce his Turnovers. Even though Lin was score 20 something pts per game he was also averageing 8 assist per game. How is this a shoot first pg? He plays with what the defense gives him. Lin is to make about 5 mil the first 2 years of his contract then 9 mill the 3rd and team option for 4th. This is a contact that NY can keep easily. The first 2 years mean nothing, he's a decent pg, not yet Elite, who knows if he will ever be elite but he's a good pg. Luxuary tax means nothing to NY, besides, Lin will basically make them money to compesate for himself. Lin is the NEXT Yao and in a NY market, he'll basically sell in China.

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make no bones about it....the

make no bones about it....the Knicks WILL match the offer, we are just saying what we think they should or shouldnt do. but thats how NY is, and thats what they do, so you can expect to see Lin back in uniform for them.

"Having Shump play point is the same as having Wade play point not Westbrook." lol, ok, just because Wade hasnt played PG full time for the Heat doesnt mean he wouldnt be as effective as Westbrook doing it....especially not from a numbers standpoint. Wade avg 27ppg and 7.5apg one season and 30ppg and 7.5apg another season. When he came back from injury a couple of years ago, the Heat actually were going to make him the PG out of necessity. Its not the best position for him, but he is ball dominant in the first place, so I dont think you know what you are saying there.

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If the Knicks don't match the

If the Knicks don't match the Lin offer they are crazy. $28.8 million for four years of a young starting-level player. That is a bargain. The marketing arguments are a joke. How about what he did on the court? Lin put an NBA team on his back and carried it. Guys like Hibbert are getting max money and they couldn't possibly do that. Deron Williams couldn't do it for NJ last year. He's getting $20 million per year. So Lin is going to be something like 70% cheaper.

And people need to put their Shumpert love on check. He was a nice rookie who played some nice defense. He was a serious non-contributor on offense. He shot 40%! FG% and had only 3.5 assists per 36 minutes. Sure I think he will get better. But he might be a year or two away from being able to help on the offensive end. He is not ready to be a starter, that much is sure.

I think a lot of guys are forgetting what Lin did. He repeatedly broke down defenses, got into the lane, found guys, got the other team in foul trouble, scored for himself but also averaged 8.3 assist on a per 36 minute basis. He also contributed with some boards and some steals. He basically did everything you want out of your PG. Is 15 shots a game really that much? Because that is what he took last year. What more do you want out of your PG? How much less money do you want to pay to fill that position?

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Reason why I said having Shump play point is the same as Wade playing point is because it's pointless. I never said Wade couldn't play point, I know he could play it at times, which he has. But he's more effciency as a 2 guard. same as Shump. There for you keep them at the 2 guard postion for effciency. Play players at their strength not weakness.

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Knicks should keep Lin, but I

Knicks should keep Lin, but I sort of hope they don't, as they seem committed to playing iso ball with Carmelo. Lin was very good for them and still will be. He seems to be a born leader and has serious ability on the pick-and-roll, but he is going to be of less value if he is playing as a caretaker pg, just spotting up around the perimeter. Maybe the Knicks can get Melo and Lin to coexist, though, and Lin can continue to develop his game. He is only going to be entering his third year in the league and he didn't play the toughest competition in college, so he certainly has room to improve.

I think the Knicks might be in better shape if they match the offer by starting Jason Kidd, but playing Jeremy Lin starter's minutes off the bench. That way they can stagger their shot creators and allow Lin to carry their 2nd unit, like James Harden and Manu Ginobili do. That way when Melo leaves, they can run a bunch of Lin-Stoudamire/Chandler/Novak pick-and-rolls.

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I like the idea of getting

I like the idea of getting some Lin-centric offense when Melo is on the bench. It has to be combined with Chandler because it was those pick and rolls with Chandler where the Knicks and Lin were at their most effictive.

Note that this might get embarrasing since I suspect that a Lin/Chandler pick and roll is going to be significantly more effective than a Melo isolation. But I do agree that teams need to spread their offense around the full 48 minutes, which is one of the reasons that the Spurs and Thunder are so effective by having one of their best players coming off the bench. (Also see Jason Terry coming off the bench for Dallas.)

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Lin should be spending his

Lin should be spending his summer working on corner 3's to best serve offense with the starters. He should still be able to take over with Chandler when starters go to the bench, leaving the Knicks a huge advantage. They must match.

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