Should the Knicks go after Rubio?
Note: This might be biased a little bit but here goes.
I think the Knicks should wait and go for Rubio and not Carmelo this season. Right now, the T-Wolves are in a terrible spot. They will most likely be a top 5 drafting team again. Jonny Flynn is a perfect triangle point guard and might do well this next season. Ricky Rubio already stated to Minnesota: Trade Me. What if the Knicks called and offered Anthony Randolph, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas, Ronny Turiaf and a future 1st round pick for Rubio?
Minnesota ( already a top 5 drafting team) gets the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. If they get the 1st, they get Flynn-Barnes-Beasley-Love-Darko. If they get the second, they could go Flynn-Brewer-Beasley-Love-Kanter and still have a nice bench and a extra pick in 2013.
The Knicks get Rubio. Now it's Rubio-Mason-Gallo-Stoudemire-Mozgov. I know, the thing is: What about Raymond Felton? Felton signed the best FA deal for his talents ( 2 year deal for about 15 million) Say a team wants a backup guard? we could move him. He's a expiring contract. Don't forget, the Knicks would ALSO be players in the FA market.
Yes, I know: Pipe Dream but what do you think?
Oh damn man.. You wanna trade 4 proven NBA players and a first round pick for a guy that has never played in the NBA?? Nah.. Go after Melo and work with the team you got.. Amare, Randolph, Chandler, Gallo, and Felton look like a team that could fight for the playoffs..
If your going to trade for a rookie PG and expect to be a contender right away, why not go after Chris Paul instead? You really think the Knicks is a Rubio away from being a contender in the East? Either they should go after Carmelo or Paul. I know the Hornets just traded Collison so they will be very reluctant to trade Paul, but if the Hornets stink it up again this year, expect Paul to demand a trade.
The problem is Rubio is another "DIVA" it's like Burger King with him he want's it his way. I feel as though if anything Rubio don't like happens wherever he goes he's going to b*tch & complain. Memphis would've easily took him, but he stated he did not want to play there. I don't know if Juan Carlos Navarro had anything to do with it, but Rubio is a problem child IMO waiting to act a fool. He is the only player I know to come in the league to say he will not play for a certain team (what does that tell you)??????
Jonny Flynn is a perfect triangle point guard and might do well this next season.
I have read COUNTLESS articles and perspectives stating how Flynn is a complete misfit for the triangle offense.
Just search flynn and triangle on google and you will see what i mean.
this is good for fantasy talk but not reality minny has already had a meeting wit rubio and his people and he wants to play for them...not that it matters because he has no choice in the matter.
it also makes no sense to go after a unproven euro who cant shoot and who isnt a sure thing over a all nba guy in his prime.....is that you isah thomas???
How is Flynn a good fit for the triangle?
His whole game is based off slashin, and creating, and thats not allowed for a point guard in the triangle.
(they shouldve taken Steph Curry)..
If it's a pipe dreams were having that's fine.... but the Wolves entire roster has been re-fabricated (to play with Rubio and he has never said told the Wolves to trade him.
And no... Flynn is not by no means perfect for the triangle. He's learning on the fly, but he's been a work in progress at best to put it litely.
The players you listed for the Knicks to send sound like a fair trade but all that would do for the Wolves is add more pieces when what they need is a "transcending player" to help fit all of the existing pieces together.
I think Flynn is nice for the Triangle. They need a Triangle guy next to him. Turner would have been a good fit.
this is good for fantasy talk but not reality minny has already had a meeting wit rubio and his people and he wants to play for them- Link Please
Also, if Anthony Randolph has a good season, I think Minnesota would be intrigued by him. He's a potential all star from alot of people's view.
I would never consider giving up that many players and/or draft picks for a guy who hasn't played a single minute in the NBA. Maybe I would make a deal like the one you proposed for a big frontcourt guy prospect, but not for a guard.
It must be tough for Knicks fans. First, LeBron, D-Wade, Bosh, and Joe Johnson spurn NY, and now it appears, that Chris Paul, and Carmelo Anthony might not be coming to the Big Apple either. Still, the Knicks will be improved from a year ago, and appear to be headed in the right direction. Hopefully, the Knicks won't make trades, just to appease their fan base, and will just take things as they come. Honestly, I'm not sure if Anthony's real focus is hoops anymore. He seems distracted by other interests. If I'm the Knicks, I try to continue to talk to the Hornets about Paul. I think he could help the Knicks more then Anthony or Rubio.
why get randolph when u have two better players in love and beasly? no makes no sense for minny
i dont think anthony seems to have lost focus...where is that coming from? u hang around him or something, because that's the only way to know where his focus is. hopefully you aren't basing it on what sources not named melo are saying
Hmm.. IDK if either of those guys are better than Randolph.. But, I wont get started on that..
Stanford, can you show me a link where Rubio stated he was gonna play for Minny.
makes no sense for minny- Name one move in the past 24 months ( other then the Beasley move) that made sense for Minny
Trading Miller, and Foye (both were expiring contracts)
For Rubio definitely makes sense. Maybe too much sense.
theres nothin to debate randolph has PROVEN to be better then love or beasley
Out of those 3, I would rank them Love, Randolph, Beasley to be honest.
Earlier you said that Beasley and Love were better.. Are you changing your opinion or is that a typo?
not that it matters but the twolves own his rights so evevn if he said go to hell twolves hes gonna still play for them for 3 years or stay in spain...also check espn archives for the meeting between rubio and the twolves big wig
hes not coming to the knicks but its nice to dream as long as u understand it is just that....a dream
randolph is better then beasley based on........................................nothing
Right.. So you think that Beasley and Love are better than Randolph??
No, this is directed at stanford hoops..
Your early statements contradict themselves.. Go back and read them..
That link doesn't work.
Also, I would make the case Beasley was in a better situation. Randolph got less PT.
Beasley- 14ppg, 6rpg, .06 bpg in 30mpg
Randolph- 11ppg, 6rpg and 1bpg in 22mpg
8mpg more and only 3ppg more? I think Randolph would be better then Beasley with the same mpg.
If I said Randolph is better it's a typo
Okay.. Personally, I think that Randolph is better but I am not going to ruin this thread by getting in an argument about it.. I know that having a conflicting opinion with stanford hoops is something that has to be debated... For another thread.. Anyone wanna make that thread?
Check all the games that randolph played beasly min and take unto account he does have Wade a d he playa for run and gun gs where. Offensive statS Are inflated because no d is played
But then Can't I do the same with Randolph considering he got hurt last season AND he was the 3rd option behind Curry and Ellis?
Only debateable if there's. Proof. With randoplh there's none
Well, if there is no proof with Randolph, then the same can be said about Beasley and Love...
I'm confused as to there's no proof? He posted solid numbers in his second season and he posted numbers closer to Beasley even though Beasley was a #2 option while Randolph was arguably a #3 to #5 option behind Jackson ( early in the season), Monta Ellis, Stephen Curry, Corey Maggette and Reggie Williams.
Mine you Randolph played 33 games last season. Imagine with the Jackson move and all those injuries, Randolph would have had better numbers then Beasley last season.
Curry and Ellis aren't Wade. On top of newly being on a better team and Randolph nor being able to start. Over. Who exactly? And when given minutes proved to be average at. Best. So is there any proof besides what ifs?
Dude... I struggle to read what you type.. Your punctuation confuses me and the typos are irritating.. Cant you spell?
So sharing the ball with Curry and Ellis are the same as sharing with Wade? REALLY now?
Would havecould have should have holds no weight. He's a 4th option on one of the worst teams in the NBA. Beasly a second option on a playoff team. Imean really????
Randolph has proven so far in his career that he's a average. NBA player no matter how much people yet. To pump him up
Come on man.
Beasley is a second option on a ONE man team. He averaged 14 points last season despite getting legit starters minutes.
Randolph averaged 11 points being the 3rd-4th option on a team with 2 ball hogs and someone who's more of a scorer then overall guard in Curry.
Now that I look into the numbers, it's not even close. Randolph is a better so far. I think part of this is that bias you have for players in the DC/ Maryland area.
Love is short for a PF (he is listed at 6'10 but there is no way) and tries to shoot outside too much..
Beasley thinks he is a 3 and doesnt like being a 4 and refuses to play defense..
Randolph is does too much ball handling and cant shoot...
Everyone has a weakness but IMO, all of these guys have been thrown into vastly different situations and it has yet to be seen who is going to be better.. Personally, I chose Randolph. However, you cant say that Randolph isnt better because of no proof.. If that is the case, then there is no proof to say otherwise...
The second option on a team that went to the playoffs means nothing when you play beside one of the best players in the world.. Does that mean that Antwan Jamison is better than Zach Randolph?? No...
So what does that say about Randolph? 4th option on a bad team? Is he even a fourth option? Randolph thinks he's a three but he isn't
he's also a bad defender and from reports out of gs. Lazy He isn't efficiant and when giving time doesn't produce consistantly which is why he doesn't get alot of time.
Both Antwan and Randolph are on good teams. So that's not comparable since gs is a bad team. Plus zach is a first option. Jamison wasn't a 4th so that's a bad example
So you hate Oden but love Randoph?
Their both players who put up 11 points.
But both got injured and didnt play too many games.
Honestly Randolph is better than Beasley right now i will agree.
Love is short for a pf? He's been measured at 6'10 for years but u still say he's shorter. Lol. Randolph is taller and still worst as a pf
loves shoots put side because he can shoot
I'm just waiting for someone to state facts on why he's better then beasly. I can understand I'd it's just an opinion because you like Randolph better
Average height for a NBA pf is pf is 6'9 if I'm not mistaken
The Wolves will not trade Rubio to the Knicks. It's that simple. Nothing NY threw at Kahn will change that. Rubio could decide to go there when he's a Free Agent for the first time, but that's as soon as it's within the realm of fantasy. The good news is he'll still be young.
So you hate Oden but love Randoph?
Who said I hate Oden? Oden had 3 leg injuries already. Come on, Randolph was hurt last season but he was healthy the year before. Oden misses time and his legs could effect him down the road.