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Should the Grizz try and move Rudy Gay?

I may catch some heat for this topic but with the team ball they've been playing and working through the post, I think this playoffs would be much different with him playing. Ask Bill Simmons about the Patrick Ewing Effect. Rudy is a one on one scorer. Don't get me wrong, he is a really nice player and won some games for them this year with his clutch swag but they weren't playing like this when he was around. Look at Marc Gasol's progression. Z Bo obviously the leader of this team. They just shelled out huge money for Rudy, Conley and Z Bo and will probably have to pay Gasol nicely this offseason. So I beg the question, should they move Rudy? I'm thinkin' Philly would be a nice spot, they could include Rudy and OJ and maybe Xavier for Thad Young and Evan Turner. Just a thought, what do you guys think?


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i think they would need rudy

i think they would need rudy gay scoring against a team like the lakers because they can match them in size or against the heat so he can match lebron. so answer is no don't traded him

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That idea is gay

Haha, see what I did there?

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Hahahahahaha.. Look.. Denver

Hahahahahaha..

Look.. Denver was a very good example of when a team loses its number 1 option ..They will be more team oriented..After the Melo trade,they moved the ball around and more guys got touches..But once the playoffs started in crucial moments they didnt know who to turn to...

I'm a Memphis ticket holder and i've seen this same topic discussion of are they better without Rudy plenty of times..If you saw him before he was a member of Team USA he was poor defensively and rarely passed the ball...But after returning from Team USA his defense was a little better and his assists went up..I know he's heard these rumors of the team playing better without him and i'm sure he'll try fitting in...They're going to need his scoring when they great defensive teams like Miami, Boston or the Lakers.....

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No, when he plays as a team

No, when he plays as a team player then they are much better with him.

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not at all, why you said

not at all, why you said that? he was very good this year until his season ended and even was improving, with him Memphis are contender to go out of the west.

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They lack a true perimeter

They lack a true perimeter scorer in the playoffs and you're telling me to get rid of a premier perimeter scorer?

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He's a comparable player to

He's a comparable player to Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant. He was being a little more aggressive on offense and defense, and he was really kicking butt this year. The turn around came when Tony Allen was inserted into the starting lineup, and we traded for Battier. Those two players set the tone for the team. Z-Bo has been playing well all year, and Conley and OJ are really coming on. OJ is a great sixth man, and if he accepts his role we will be tough to beat.

I think we know that we are an inside-out team. Z-Bo is the go-to guy and Marc Gasol is an excellent facilitator. Tony Allen is a shut-down defender and really sets the tone for this team. Rudy Gay know fits this team pefectly. He is another guy who can score against anyone and he can take and make last second shots.

Shane and Tony Allen are two HUGE reasons why we are in the second round. But, Rudy Gay is an elite scorer and athlete and would be a great part of our own BIG FOUR. Z-Bo, Gasol, Gay, and Conley. Then Allen, Shane , DA, and OJ are the second big four (The Four Horsemen?).

Rudy Gay plays pretty well against Durant and he really gives the Lakers fits. He just needs to cut down on the number of iso's and bad shots. But, Sam Young and OJ Mayo also take bad shots. Z-Bo takes bad bailout shots when the offense gets stagnant. If we play inside-out, get Z Bo going, playing through Gasol, and using Conley in high screen and rolls then all we need Rudy Gay to do is cut to the basket and be our weak-side shooter. He is a world-class finisher and our best fast break scorer. He also can get to the line and he is one of our better 3 point shooters.

I think Rudy and Z Bo compare very favorably to the Amare-Carmelo duo. Z Bo is a much better rebounder than Amare, and he is a better scorer under the basket. Z Bo seems to be a better passer too, and his shooting range extends to the 3 point line. Rudy is more athletic, longer, and stronger than Carmelo, and better in an up-tempo game. I think Rudy and Zach compliment each other very well.

I think that next year's team could turn into the new '83 Sixers who had a very athletic, high-scoring small forward (Dr. J), and an unstoppable low-post scorer and rebounder (Moses Malone). Dr. J scored, but Moses put them over the top. That team also had a pass-first, tough point guard in Mo Cheeks and a good undersized scorer in Andrew Toney. I think that Zach, Rudy, Conley, and OJ are very similar. I also really like our bench for next year.

We are a contender this year without him but we lack a world-class wing player like Kobe, LeBron or Wade. The Celtics have a big four (KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo) as do the Lakers (Kobe, Pau, Odom, Bynum). Our own big four of Randolph, Gasol, Gay and Conley would be right up there. Another thing, Zach is a great first option, but I am not sure that Gasol is the second option a team needs in the playoffs. He would be a better 3rd option behind Zach and Rudy. We are a very good team now, but Rudy Gay can put us over the top. Again, I think getting Shane Battier was HUGE. Great leader and very professional. He and Rudy would be the IDEAL 1-2 punch at small forward. I think if Rudy focuses on cutting to the basket, running the floor on fast breaks, and getting to the line when he gets the ball in the offense, then I think he will be fine. He just cannot pound the ball at the top of the key and kill the flow of the offense. But, the same can be said for Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Durant, Westbrook, Melo, Amare, and practically every other big name player in the league.

If we did trade him I don't think we could get equal value. But our team already has a franchise 4 and 5, a solid starting point guard, and great group of hard-nosed role players, so I don't think we should trade him for 2 or 3 above average players. He is also the kind of closer and finisher you need.

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He's a comparable player to

He's a comparable player to Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant. He was being a little more aggressive on offense and defense, and he was really kicking butt this year. The turn around came when Tony Allen was inserted into the starting lineup, and we traded for Battier. Those two players set the tone for the team. Z-Bo has been playing well all year, and Conley and OJ are really coming on. OJ is a great sixth man, and if he accepts his role we will be tough to beat.

I think we know that we are an inside-out team. Z-Bo is the go-to guy and Marc Gasol is an excellent facilitator. Tony Allen is a shut-down defender and really sets the tone for this team. Rudy Gay know fits this team pefectly. He is another guy who can score against anyone and he can take and make last second shots.

Shane and Tony Allen are two HUGE reasons why we are in the second round. But, Rudy Gay is an elite scorer and athlete and would be a great part of our own BIG FOUR. Z-Bo, Gasol, Gay, and Conley. Then Allen, Shane , DA, and OJ are the second big four (The Four Horsemen?).

Rudy Gay plays pretty well against Durant and he really gives the Lakers fits. He just needs to cut down on the number of iso's and bad shots. But, Sam Young and OJ Mayo also take bad shots. Z-Bo takes bad bailout shots when the offense gets stagnant. If we play inside-out, get Z Bo going, playing through Gasol, and using Conley in high screen and rolls then all we need Rudy Gay to do is cut to the basket and be our weak-side shooter. He is a world-class finisher and our best fast break scorer. He also can get to the line and he is one of our better 3 point shooters.

I think Rudy and Z Bo compare very favorably to the Amare-Carmelo duo. Z Bo is a much better rebounder than Amare, and he is a better scorer under the basket. Z Bo seems to be a better passer too, and his shooting range extends to the 3 point line. Rudy is more athletic, longer, and stronger than Carmelo, and better in an up-tempo game. I think Rudy and Zach compliment each other very well.

I think that next year's team could turn into the new '83 Sixers who had a very athletic, high-scoring small forward (Dr. J), and an unstoppable low-post scorer and rebounder (Moses Malone). Dr. J scored, but Moses put them over the top. That team also had a pass-first, tough point guard in Mo Cheeks and a good undersized scorer in Andrew Toney. I think that Zach, Rudy, Conley, and OJ are very similar. I also really like our bench for next year.

We are a contender this year without him but we lack a world-class wing player like Kobe, LeBron or Wade. The Celtics have a big four (KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo) as do the Lakers (Kobe, Pau, Odom, Bynum). Our own big four of Randolph, Gasol, Gay and Conley would be right up there. Another thing, Zach is a great first option, but I am not sure that Gasol is the second option a team needs in the playoffs. He would be a better 3rd option behind Zach and Rudy. We are a very good team now, but Rudy Gay can put us over the top. Again, I think getting Shane Battier was HUGE. Great leader and very professional. He and Rudy would be the IDEAL 1-2 punch at small forward. I think if Rudy focuses on cutting to the basket, running the floor on fast breaks, and getting to the line when he gets the ball in the offense, then I think he will be fine. He just cannot pound the ball at the top of the key and kill the flow of the offense. But, the same can be said for Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Durant, Westbrook, Melo, Amare, and practically every other big name player in the league.

If we did trade him I don't think we could get equal value. But our team already has a franchise 4 and 5, a solid starting point guard, and great group of hard-nosed role players, so I don't think we should trade him for 2 or 3 above average players. He is also the kind of closer and finisher you need.

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Yes they should...He is a

Yes they should...He is a great talent but an inconsistent scorer...He dissappears in games...He is still young so i see how you could still see potential in him...but honestly i think sam young fits their current identity a whole lot better right now. If he really commits to doing the little things he would be a monster. I know everyone is seeing how zbo is thriving a whole lot better under the current rotation. Tony allen and battier are winners so i don't know if you reintegrate rudy and throw off chemistry...

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What are you talking about Memphis Madness?

Memphis Madness: In no way is Rudy Gay similar or even comparable to Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony. If you're gonna compare Gay to someone or say he's similar to someone, try Danny Granger.

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I know its really early in

I know its really early in the playoffs but the Griz did knock off one of the best teams in basketball in the first round... without Rudy. Basically beating them 5 out of 6 times (if not for 5 points in 2.2 seconds in game 5) Rudy has a bit of the Westbrook effect in him.

The Griz strength is the Lakers strength, plus the Griz are more athletic overall.

Here's the question ... Should the Griz shock the world and win the championship, what then? They had a better record down the stretch after Gay went out, even though they tanked the last 2. They pass better, don't turn the ball over, crush it on D, and make smart plays aswell as shot selection all the time. They definitly are not Denver because ZBO is playing out of his mind and he's their closer. Everyone knows it. McDyess said he played as well as he could have on D and still couldn't stop him. Durant said he's the best PF in the league. Wow, how 2 years can change a career. When Gay does return next season is he going to be fighting ZBO for touches like Durant and Westbrook? I'm sure there's another team out there who would love to have Gay as their #1 option and trade a nice package to get him... but if the Griz win the title... if it ain't broke, why fix it? Everyone blasted Rudy's deal when he got it and lets be fair and say he's overpaid for what he brings to the table. Lastly as the original poster mentioned... can the Griz afford Conley, Gay, ZBO and Gasol (who will likely get a 10 mil per contract or more)?

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Rudy Gay isn't at the same

Rudy Gay isn't at the same level as Mayo or Durant and I honestly doubt he ever will but he's a prolific NBA scorer and if his post team USA improvement continues then he has to stay in Memphis and help the team continue it's recent success.

I have to give a shout out to Z-Bo who has turned himself from a stats padder and a bad locker room influence into a good leader of a young team whilst in Memphis!

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Histler "Rudy Gay isn't at

Histler

"Rudy Gay isn't at the same level as Mayo"

Don't you mean Mayo isn't at the same level as Rudy Gay?

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^I think he's was going for

^I think he's was going for "Melo"

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not at all...even though the

not at all...even though the grizzlies are playing team-ball, rudy gay is the type of team that could take them over the hump...they need his perimeter scoring...he jus needs to become more well-rounded and the good thing was he was becoming that b4 he got hurt.

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The thing about trading Gay

The thing about trading Gay is that you will never get value for him. I have nothing against Sam Young, he is a gritty player, who can score the ball OK, but he is a worse player than Rudy in every aspect of the game, even defense. Shane Battier will be a free agent after this season, he should want to come back, but not sure we can pay him.

So say we Trade him and OJ(a guy I wouldn't mind trading) for Turner and Thad Young(adding henry would make this even more a steal for philly), we lose a little at the 3, as Gay is better than young and we get a second year player who hasn't proven he can be a scorer off the bench and hasn't proven he can start. Young can play the 4, but we have Arthur there, so what we get is a slight downgrade at one position and an unproven player, who may become very good in the future, better than Mayo. Some people think of Memphis as a team of the future, but I don't. How many great years Randolph has left in the tank? He is what makes us great, so if his production drops the Grizzlies' window is over.

Gay is a piece that helps us win now, how many times Zach or Marc pass the ball out of the post to an open guy (Allen, Young) who could take the 3 but he just makes a pointless cut to the basket which doesn't create anything but a bad shot in traffic? Gay can hit the 3 and the shot in traffic, AND he can create for himself, AND he is improving every year.

(Big Rudy Gay fan)

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Trade Gay to save money on

Trade Gay to save money on the books I could see that.

Maybe can get a cheaper SF in return who knows.

They definately need his scoring against top defensive teams like the Bulls, Heat and Lakers.

OKC is overrated on defense and they don't have that consisten 3rd scorer I know it was just 1 game but they might be a year away.

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Great question

Its the question that you have to ask given their recent success. Its hard to say that they WOULDNT be doing this without him, but its proving that they CAN do it without him.

He is under contract, so I guess the question is, can they do something with Him and his contract to bring in players that will make them better as a team and financially than they are now. It could go both ways.

Maybe he is a hamper and they are better without him, and he is 80 unneccesary millions for the next 5 years. But Maybe he is the missing link and they would have been a title quality team this year (if they arent already, we shall see) if he was healthy. You dont want to make a judgement because its not his fault he is hurt, he is still young, and he hasnt had a playoff series yet to prove his worth.

I say listen to offers but hold on to him unless you get something unbelievable to get a really good player, prospect, or clear most of his cap space. Plenty of teams will be interested, although I think the consensus is that he was overpaid.

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personally, I love Rudy Gay's

personally, I love Rudy Gay's game & skill set. But it does contradict what this current team is doing. He is a one-on-one scorer who likes to take his man of the dribble & hit pull-up mid range jumpers or finish at the rim. He can shoot the stand-still 3, but doesn't really prefer it. Defensively, he has the tools to be GREAT...but he settles for being decent at it with flashes of wow.

If they are going to trade him they should only do it for a SF of similar skills that can bring them some savings $ wise but fits the bill of the current team. The only guy I can think of in that mold is Danny Granger. He likes to shoot the 3 much more than Rudy and has hit more than 2 a game for the past 2 seasons. When he first came into the league he was a damn good defender, but the more his scoring went up the less he had to lock up. Playing off Z-Bo & Gasol he could stay out on the wing & knock down open 3's while focusing more energy on the defensive end. He has the same body type as Rudy and can match up with any 3 in the league as far as size. He's not a 1st option that can take a team far, but as a 2nd option on an inside-out team he could really thrive. Gay would give Indy a true go-to-guy that can get his shot whenever he wants off an iso.

Something like Rudy and either OJ or X Henry for Granger and Dahntay Jones(another tough defensive-minded guy for insurance should Tony Allen get hurt)...Memphis would save $ to pay Gasol and increase their chance of bringing back Battier. Indy would get a great scorer as well as a 2 guard that can put the ball in the basket and shoot the 3 that they covet(they went after Mayo in Feb, and had Henry very high on their draft board last summer).

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What I think The Grizzles Should Do

If I was the Grizzles I would trade Rudy Gay & Xavier Henry to the Bobcats, for Stephen Jackson, the team' 2011 first round pick, DeSagna Diop, and cash...This deal not only makes sense basketball wise for the Bobcats & the Grizzles, but it also works financially...Stephen Jackson gives the Grizzles a hungry veteran player, that provides added toughness, a scoring punch, another play maker, and championship experience...Diop adds depth at center and an expiring contract, to deal, if needed...And the Bobcats pick could add another role player...The Bobcats receives a budding young player, in Rudy Gay, that will become the new face of their franchise...Henry could provide depth at shooting guard behind Gerald Henderson

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I disagree trading Rudy Gay.

I disagree trading Rudy Gay. You don't move young talent like that, regardless of current position.

Rudy Gay was this team's soul. You forget the Grizz gave up a 1st round pick for Battier to replace him. Right now, I think he's done that, as well as Allen and Randolph stepping up. Next season, I think Battier is gone to a contender and that spot will be open for Rudy to come in again. Also, I think next season, we're gonna see this team take another big step. I think they need to trade Mayo and get a future draft pick back to replenish young talent AND save money to resign Gasol.

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"Rudy Gay isn't at the same

"Rudy Gay isn't at the same level as Mayo or Durant" - Hitster

Really? Really? You aree putting Mayo up there with Durant?! Have you been in a coma for two seasons!! Do you realize that Durant is a Franchise talent, Rudy Gay in my opinion can be a borderline all star for an average team, and Mayo is an underachiever, playing for a team that is not using him to Mayo's capabilities.If you put Mayo ont the Twolves, who knows, maybe he dominates. However the grizzlies use him to best suit the team, not the player. But how could you put Mayo and Durant in the same sentence!!!!!!!!! He averaged 11 points!!! Although he may have allstar level talent, he is not nearly on the same level Durant is. taht is an avsolute disgraceto Durant and Rudy Gay.

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The Grizzlies are doing great

The Grizzlies are doing great without him but what we are missing is an athletic wing who can hit an open shot and take the ball to the hoop. We have a duo in the post that is unstopable in Gasol/ZBo, a facilitator in Conley, defensive stopper in Allen, and a scorer/all around guy in Gay. Hollins is a great coach and the bench is very good.

Grizzlies are legit

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I meant Melo not Mayo,

I meant Melo not Mayo, mistyping on my part, although Mayo was at the same level as Gay for his first two seasons just to clear up the confusion from above. Melo and Durant are at a different level to Rudy Gay and Rudy Gay is superior to OJ Mayo.

Memphis moved Thabeet to get Battier back and gave up a pick to do so which might give a reason to maybe trade say Mayo to get a future pick back especially in what might be a loaded 2012 draft. I would still not consider trading Rudy unless it was a very good offer and they had retained their current starting 5 and Battier. The only possible need I could see for Memphis might be another big for their rotation as since Thabeet was moved they only have Haddadi to really back up Gasol but they could draft a prospect or get a solid veteran who can give them 10mpg or more when needed.

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Give Gay some room to grow

Give Gay some room to grow still guys, he was having a great season this year, it just so happens that SF, like PG is a very strong position in the League right now. I'd still call him top 5 at his position despite that, definitely don't trade him.

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