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Shooting Guards

Who are the top ten and what criteria do you use to rank SG's?

My top ten:

1. Kobe (Obvious here, too much clutch and too many championships to ignore.)
2. Wade (A clear choice as well, just on a whole different level than those below him.)
3. Roy (I feel that he brings just a little more to the table than Johnson has lately.)
4. Johnson (Has proven his worth and this will be the year to show who he really is as a player.)
5. Tyreke (Young, is already great at both ends of the floor, has incredibly high potential.)
6. Manu (Proven his worth in the playoffs, and I just feel he will be better than expected this year.)
7. Monta (Lets his stats talk, but by now needs to back it up with some actual winning.)
8. Ray Allen (good all around player with an amazing shot, but with age creeping up...)
9. Kevin Martin (does almost everything you need a SG to do on offence, but is the opposite on defense.)
10. Jason Richardson ( I feel he would get a better chance on a team who was not so set at PG and with a low post all star, this will be his season to step it up and take more control of his game.)


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Stephen Jackson is a top ten

Stephen Jackson is a top ten shooting guard.

I don't think Tyreke Evans is better than Jackson or Ginobli yet.

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1. Kobe Bryant 2. Dwyane

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Joe Johnson
5. Gilbert Arenas
6. Stephen Jackson
7. Manu Ginobili
8. Tyreke Evans
9. Monta Ellis
10. Vince Carter

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you guys are forgetting vc

you guys are forgetting vc

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I thought about Jackson for a

I thought about Jackson for a while and I see him more as a SF, but I can understand how you would want to put him as a SG, if he was on my list I would have had him at six.

As for Tyreke; it might just be my own Bias as a Kings fan but I feel that he will start next season and actually have noticeably improved his game, in part due to his summer training, but mostly due to the type of players that now surround him. I do not think I can say the same for Manu or Jackson.

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1-kobe bryant 2-dwyane

1-kobe bryant

2-dwyane wade

3-brandon roy

4-joe johnson

5-gilbert arenas

6-tyreke evans

7-manu ginobli

8-stephen jackson

9-monta ellis

10-oj mayo

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Is Tyreke Evans a point guard

Is Tyreke Evans a point guard or shooting guard? He's the Kings' primary ball handler isn't he? Gilbert Arenas is also still a point guard.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade

3. Brandon Roy
4. Joe Johnson

5. Manu Ginobli
6. Stephen Jackson

7. Monta Ellis
8. Vince Carter
9. Kevin Martin
10. Ray Allen

Honorable Mention: OJ Mayo, Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon, Jason Terry, Ben Gordon, Jason Richardson and John Salmons.

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I think he has yet to settle

I think he has yet to settle into a position, he can do both right now, the factor that will play the largest role on whether or not he is a SG will be who else the Kings get to join him in the backcourt. If it stays Beno, I think Tyreke will settle into more of a PG role, but for now I think he can really be labeled either way. I just want to put him somewhere because it seems like whenever a thread lists PG's they always leave him off.

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Evans plays much better on

Evans plays much better on the ball than off of it, plus he's not really a good shooter just yet. I've always looked at him as more of a lead guard, especially since they made that switch at Memphis.

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yeah, i would probably rank

yeah, i would probably rank evans as a pg too. Even with beno on the court, evans had the ball in his hands most the time it seemed.

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IF we're saying Evans is a

IF we're saying Evans is a two guard, I don't know how he's better than Jackson or Ginobli...

Both of those guys play better/move better without the ball and they shoot better... They have more complete games and don't need the ball in their hands to be effective. Neither player has a lot of weaknesses offensively. Jackson is also a very good defender.

I just don't know how Evans can be considered a better *two guard* than those two right now.

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^^^ At the same token Brandon

^^^ At the same token Brandon Roy you can also make the same argument. He is most effective with the ball in his hands driving and either pulling up or creating for others. That's the whole reason why Andre Miller struggled and Blake knew his role. PG's with the Blazers have to play off ball a ton with Roy. If we are talking pure SG's JJ has to be #3. Roy isn't great at shooting off screens.

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i dont know why we should

i dont know why we should have to define what is a clear or not clear sg. If the team starts you at sg and you play most your minutes at sg, then you should be ranked as a sg. Tyreke played more pg last year then sg, so i would rank him as a pg unless that changes this year. Just like arenas played pg, but now he will play sg so i rank him as a sg. So it doesnt really matter how roy or joe johnson approach the game or what their style is, they are both sg's and roy is slightly better in my book.

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Brandon Roy isn't close to

Brandon Roy isn't close to being as ball dominant as Tyreke Evans, nor is his game as reliant on dominating the ball.

There were chemistry problems with Andre Miller because Miller is literally useless without the ball in his hands and he can't shoot. Defenders were crowding Roy, especially in the fourth quarter.

And I don't know how you can say Joe Johnson is a pure two. He handles the ball probably more than Roy.

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1. Kobe Bryant 2. Dwyane

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Joe Johnson
5. Stephen Jackson
6. Kevin Martin
7. Manu Ginobili
8. Monta Ellis
9. Gilbert Arenas
10. OJ Mayo

And nobody's forgetting Vince Carter, he just isn't in the top ten anymore...

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I’m not sure that you can say

I’m not sure that you can say someone is a certain position just because that is where he played most of his time. A prime example is Jason Thompson on the Kings, they had absolutely no one last year who could play center for them so they rotated Hawes and Thompson at the five, so much infact that Thompson logged more minutes last year at Center then at PF, especially after they acquired Landry, but that does not make Thompson a center. In my opinion, players do not have to be locked into one position, I agree with Paul Westphal when he says that you can play as many positions as you can guard. I feel that if you can play the position then you can be ranked in a list of other at the same position, which leads me to believe I should have included Jackson in my initial list...

dipt1982: I agree on Vince.

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i was more referring to the

i was more referring to the poster who said johnson is better then roy becasue of theri style of play makes johnson more of a natural sg. To me, they are both sg's so how they play is irrelevant.

And i agree where you play does not mean you automaticlly are that position with thompson being a good example, but some guys dont have a position. Thompson is clearly a pf in every sense of the word, so he should be ranked as a pf. BUt guys like tyreke evans, gilbert arenas and monta ellis do not have one position, thus they should be ranked wherever they play.

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I agree that Arenas is a SG and I think he can be a good one this season...

but theres no way in hell he is better than Tyreke...

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1. Kobe Bryant 2. Dwyane

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Joe Johnson
5. Evan Turner
6. Manu Ginobili
7. OJ Mayo
8. Tyreke Evans
9. Vince Carter
10. Ray Allen

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