Serge Ibaka reaches agreement on four-year extension with Oklahoma City
It looks like they picked Serge instead of James do yall believe this was the right choice to make?
They could still work out something with Harden
I think they may still make it work.
Has OKC used their one designated player max deal on Durant or Westbrook? Assuming they have, can another team offer Harden a max deal, meaning OKC would be forced to let him walk because they already used it on Durant?
Well considering most people had Serge getting the max, I would say this is a STEAL at 4 year/40 mill. Serge has a ton of potential left, and after showing us that he can improve his defense and offensive I think this was the right move to make. If anything this shows that they are most likely going to resign Harden aswell in my eyes, because like Ibaka, he probably won't reach free agency. The camaraderie over there in OKC must be amazing considering Westbrook also took a slight paycut like Surge did. Who knows, maybe Harden will do the same?
Harden is gonna be shopped more than Gasol, Igoudala and Ray Ray combined
Serge Ibaka deal is 4 years, $48 million, league source tells Y! Sports.
So, it's not 40, but 48. I don't know if he is worth those money, but I'm sure that there are at least few teams that would be willing to pay more, so it's good move by OKC to keep their main players. Also, you always can do what Nuggets GM did - trade them if something didn't went as expected or you got good offer.
Wasn't a max deal so that leaves a few million a year for Harden to be resigned. I doubt anything gets done with him though since OKC will most likely set the market set his value and a team like the Suns, Cavs, or Bobcats might offer the max. I am sure they would give him a 4 year 48 million just like Ibaka, but I doubt he takes it right now. Would be awesome if he did though..
Who knows what the plan is at this point...the Thunder may have decided not to resign Harden or they could have decided to go into luxury tax resigning both or maybe they'll amnesty Kendrick Perkins before their new deals kick in. We'll have to wait and see.
Hopefully Serge Ibaka was closely watching the Gasol brothers in Olympic practice and picking up some low post offense moves. Serge Ibaka has all the physical ability to be amazing he just has to improve his overall skill set.
Clay Bennett is willing to keep both Ibaka and Harden and pay the luxary tax like I been saying all year!!! Here is a link
That's gonna be a whole lotta luxury tax money they're going to have to pay next season and the next couple of seasons. Especially in about 4 years.
Who thought Ibaka was going to get the max? I've never heard anyone suggest it, nor should I have. He's not even an All Star at this point.
I thought I was the only one that thought this. I've never heard anybody say Serge was getting the max. Hell, if Westbrook didn't even get the max, why would Ibaka? Just makes no sense.
Only question is, with about 45-50m per year paid to Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka -- will Clay Bennett be willing to pay luxury tax for the next 2-12 years?
4 years 40 million was what i thought they'd get him for, I thought he would have jumped at that Offer...Maybe the Olympics pushed his price tag up as they now have an International embassador too in Ibaka...
At 12 years per over 4 years, that will push them over that Luxary Tax line, and they will have to make a huge decision very soon, do they jump deeper in the Luxary Tax and offer Harden a near max deal? Do they cut Perkins and lose some serious size and toughness in the paint?
I think James Harden will enter Free Agency this summer albeit a Restricted one...Phoenix could very well be 1 of many teams willing to make a MAX contract offer...The Thunder will be put in a very akward position then...
Size and Toughness or Perimeter Skill and Outside Shooting?
If the Suns offer Harden the Max he's as good as Gone IMO...The Thunder could get a few pieces from The Suns in a Sign and Trade if they were open to it, I wouldn't want to lose him for Nothing...
They now have owe Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins $75 million. No coach thinks they have to guard them, and the rim protector image is complete nonsense, they were 20th in the NBA in opponent's points in the paint. The Heat installed a runway through their paint. What is their plan should they get past San Antonio and LA to change what we saw last summer with Miami? LeBron isn't going anywhere.
This is HUGE news, now it remains to be seen what Harden's camp wants. I said earlier this week that if they could somehow get Ibaka at a discount at 4 years 40 mil, and then try to get Harden for 4 years 50 mil, amnesty Perk, and now you're within 5-8 million of the luxary tax. This changes a lot of things now, either they're going to be willing to pay the luxary tax, or Harden is going to be traded in the very near future. Remember, there were rumbligs that the Thunder were trying to get the #2 pick for Harden and then intended to pick MKG. I'm almost certain that they're target is a younger cheaper play but also a guy who can at least match up with and sort of replace the production they got from Harden. I trust what Sam Presti is doing, and the deciding factor in the end was that Ibaka is an amazing rim protecter(yes he's not a great post defender and could put on some beef but he does more than just block shots when he comes over and helps from the weak side) and guys like him don't grow on trees. 14 and 10 with 4 blocks a game in just 30 minutes per game is very likley in the next couple of years, and although the money seems a bit steep that's just going rate for young bigs these days. But too bad Harden's going to have to go, just curious to see whom they're going to get instead. Maybe they take a gamble on my dubs' Steph Curry(if we agree to a Harden/Curry swap), if he''s cheaper because of the ankle concerns. But one thing is clear to me that if Harden doesn't agree to any deal less than 4 years 50 million, he's out.
With this, OKC is better off trading Harden for picks, a vet C and vet SG. Thabo has another good 4 years and most likely isn't going anywhere which is a huge plus when dealing Harden but will Clay Bennett be willing to pay the luxury tax year after year? It's not like OKC is Los Angeles either.
This overpaying of big men this offseason raised the price-tag on Serge Ibaka. With Hibbert, McGee, and Asik, it's no wonder Ibaka's agent wanted more money as well.
ehhh, I think that is wayyy too much money for Serge. The guy doesn't even average 10rpg. I like him a lot as a player, but imo he's worth maybe 4 years for $35 million. He is vastly over payed right now. I'm shocked OKC gave him this contract before they gave Harden a contract
The pacers just tweeted about a possible trade for Westbrook. This would make sense for both teams. Okc gets hibbert and keep harden to contend w lakers frontline. Pacers get the playmaker they need.
No way Presti trades Westbrook, I'd hate that move for OKC. Westbrook is so much better than we think, he's a top 15 player in the league and he's gonna be a top 7 or 8 very very soon. They'd have to get a huge package in return, and remember that Hibbert has his own sizeable contract.
In my opinion, I think this is a solid move. Ibaka has improved every season so far, so locking him up could help. Now, I think OKC should trade Harden for a more offensively competent center, preferably one with a consistent jump shot, plus some cheap assets.
Any potential amnesty of Perkins is complicated by the Lakers trade for Dwight Howard, but if the Thunder need to upgrade the two-guard position in the absence of Perkins, they can amnesty Perkins. Not matter what they do, the Thunder will remain an elite offensive team
Harden and Perkins for hibbert and granger... Boom
Im prepared to get negged
if javale m and d jordan are getting 11 mil a year then only paying a mil a year more for the guy whos led the nba in shot blocking 2 years in a row is an absolute bargain and on harden the rumors were flying that okc tried very hard too trade him for the no 2 pick wanting too draft mkg so it shouldnt b a suprise if okc trades him the balls kinda of in hardens court as well will he stay with okc for a less money or wanan go sumwhere for a max imo id stay in okc and play with a team that contends every year for a title over goign sumwhere and playing on a so so team
That's a good point. I'm a little surprised that Ibaka didn't get more. I suppose his stock would only rise so much, so waiting to sign an extention wouldn't necessarily have increased his money, nor would waiting for free agency, since the team had an option on him for the 2013-2014 season. I suppose the fact that Ibaka couldn't simply wait for free agency without costing himself money allowed the Thunder to get him for less than inferior players, such as Jordan and McGee.
It depends on what Harden wants ... he can take less money and less of a role for a chance to create something special in OKC .. or he leaves and becomes the #1 guy in another city
I saw two people post about OKC trading Westbrook and Perkins for Hibbert and Granger when Granger and Durant play the same position? And then I saw that they were trying to trade the number 2 pick for MKG, why would of that pick MKG with the number 2 pick when he plays the same position as Kevin Durant.
I know it's a little off topic but just some questions that popped in my head reading some of the responses.
They were trying to get Brad Beal, not MKG
I'd take the money and run......more money and the chance to build my own legacy not in someone else's shawdow.....not saying thats what he'll do or even what he should do, just what I would do in the same position.
that's what joe johnson tried in atlanta... whereas he could have been a part of something bigger in phoenix.
i heard all along they wanted mkg another def lockdown glue guy and that durant would slide too the 2
If Harden is moved, I realy think Perk' will be on the package. He didn't really lived up the expectations and is a 8 to 10 M $ man for the next 3 years.
What could OKC get in return for harden-perkins (probably around 20M in salaries) to fill their roster ? a package of 3 quality players (with a center) at least. ex: Hawes Turner Wright & Brown.
It was Beal not MKg. Some dumb fan made up the MKG rumor. With the Ibaka signing the Thunder will now have a team salary of 68million in the 2013-2014 season. They could still resign Harden with a back loaded deal similar to what Lin got. I'm surprised no one has thought of that yet
Clay Bennett will pay whatever James Harden wants to be paid (at a reasonable price)
In such a small market, I don't know how OKC affords to go over the cap. Maybe because they play deep into the playoffs each year and get all that extra revenue that makes up for it. I guess you have to remember that players basically don't get paid extra for the playoffs. So when the Wizards pay a player they get 82 games out of him. But OKC gets 90+ (assuming that getting through the first round for this team is a given and passing the second round is more likely than not). Last season they got 20 playoff games. That's lots of extra cash. If the lock in Harden they remain one of the favorites for years to come.
They can always trade Harden for something huge though. I think SG is currently the weakest position in the NBA. Harden would probably be the best player on the team on more than half the teams in the NBA. No reason why he shouldn't get a Max Contract offer.