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Sensible take on Grizz and #2 pick

The Grizzly front office has been gifted a prime opportunity to partially nullify their infamous blunders of the past. How to do so?

First of all, keep the pick. Secondly, draft Ricky Rubio. Although this is not a need per se and Mike Conley finally showed signs of life the latter third of the season, he is obviously not the long term solution. Rubio is explosive and obtains Steve Nash-esque court vision and handling skills that will bolster the play of Rudy and O.J and complement well to their trigger happy philosophy.

Upon realization a dominant front court presence is direly needed, Hasheem Thabeet is not the answer. You can't teach size but size does not compensate for basketball IQ or general talent (see Manute Bol and/or Shawn Bradley). He's extremely raw and is unable to establish himself in the post although he towers above the competition (see NCAA tournament).

Don't necessarily believe we should rid ourselves of Mike Conley either unless we can construct a package deal involving Mike, the 27th pick, and either Arthur or Hak (preferably Arthur because Hak would be more malleable with the run 'n gun Rubio fast break) and receive a good power forward in return. If not, Rubio and Mike would make an exceptional 1-2 PG punch.

Although I would love to believe the Grizzly front office and I (along with their other loyal fans) are on the same brain wave, history points to just the opposite. I beg you to please prove me wrong!


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I'm not sold on Rubio

While I agree they need to keep the pick, I would be hesitant picking Rubio. I'm not sold on him. All of this hype is comparable to Darko (who they ironically have). I don't care if he's only 17-18 playing against grown men in Europe, Darko was doing the same thing at his age and just saying the word Darko now means biggest bust of all time. Then again, I don't believe Thabeet is the answer either. The guy they need to pick is Evans. He is probably the safest pick of this draft. Memphis doesn't need a big they need a surefire gaurd and Evans can contribute right away.

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Memphis bright future

I think Rubio has got to be the pick. When you play against kobe and melo as an 18 year old and if they talk about how talented you are it means something. to compare rubio to darko makes no sense. they are not alike at all except that they are both european. his passing ability, defense, and IQ are unheard of for an 18 year old. Rubio is the perfect player to play with gay and mayo and their shoot first tendencies. Even with Conley they have to take him as Thabeet and Hill aren't nearly the quality of Rubio.

After Memphis loses Antoine Walker's and Steve Francis's salary this summer, this team will have a ridiculous amount of cap space, much more than anyone else in the league (only 34 million in salary and no one critical to resign other than warrick who won't cost that much.) I imagine with this they would have to sign a quality big like Millsap, Boozer, or Marvin Williams just to get to the salary cap. I don't think many teams could match their offer.

So now imagine your 2009-10 Grizzlies.
Pg- Rubio
SG-Mayo
SF-Gay
PF-Millsap or another quality big
C- Gasol

Bench- Conley, Warrick, Arthur, Darko.... and they have would still have enough cap room to sign some good role players...
this team would be young and locked up for a while with a ton of future potential. For once the grizzlies would be in a good position.

Now we can only imagine how Wallace will mess this up

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What blunders of the past?

What blunders of the past? Im a grizz fan and think the Gasol trade has worked out wonderfully

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What blunders?!

Are you high? You must have confused the unconscious grizzlies with a coherent franchise. Where have you been since their conception in Memphis? Where to start... trading Mike Bibby for Jason Williams, trading Pau for a dishwasher (which has already cemented its place as one of the worst trades in history by any knowledgeable human being), every draft class other than '01 and '08, the inability or even desire to attempt to land a free agent other than Darko, and the Otis Thorpe (I think) trade which gave our #2 '03 pick to the Detriot Pistons in one of the premier draft classes of all time (LeBron, Melo, Bosh, DWade, etc.), and on and on and on and on.. that's just off the top of my head.. Pau was the best thing to ever happen to this franchise, and I don't blame Pau an ounce for wanting to leave Memphis with the third-tier bench players that were assembled around him. He couldn't do much more than put up 20 and 10 a night being quadruple teamed, which he did consistently. It wasn't Pau's fault. Even if they HAD to trade him, around the time they traded him I was hearing rumors of the Bulls offering Gordon, Deng, Nocioni, and Noah for the rights to Pau and the Grizzlies' front office declining the trade only to settle for little bro (which will be a decent player) and zilch else.

After watching multiple games of Hill and Thabeet I was overwhelmingly unimpressed. Hill will be lucky if he develops into a Drew Gooden-esque player. Thabeet has potential but don't see him as much more than a less athletic Samuel Dalembert.

Furthermore, if acquiring a PF via trade or free agency fails, the '10 draft class may be as PF heavy as we have ever seen. Countless number of potential stars.

Rubio or BUST! Unfortunately though, I believe we will do the latter.

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I think they take Rubio

Rubio is far from a gaurantee, but this draft does not have any surefire picks after Griffin at number 1.

Also, I would love to hear from the guy who thinks the Gasol trade has worked out wonderfully? Yes Marc is solid, but he is nowhere near his brother and the other minor pieces they got do not make up for giving up on a 7 foot all-NBA big man who is still in his prime and carried that team to the consecutive 50 win seasons.

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The Grizzlies werent going

The Grizzlies werent going anywhere with Gasol. Never did and never was going to. Gasol only led the Grizzlies to one 50 win season. He also led them to an 0-12 playoff record. Pau isnt a # 1 option type player(just to damn soft and mentally weak) and Pau's contract made it impossible to go out and sign people. Memphis didnt have the cap space. Basically with Pau they were gonna be forever mediocre. Never horrible and never great. The Franchise would have pretty much been on a treadmill. The grizzlies tried to build around Gasol 3 times. The front office tried Paus first couple of years with Lorenzon Wright, Jason Williams, Battier, Stromile Swift, James Posey, Bonzi Wells, Mike Miller etc. That didnt work. Then they brought in Eddie Jones, Bobby Jackson, and Damon Stoudamire. That didnt work. Then they brought in Paus buddy Juan Carlos Navarro, Darko, Rudy Gay, and Mike Conley. That didn't work either. When the trade went down I was relieved that they finally realized that it wasn't going to happen with Pau. It was just time and the Grizzlies are much better off right now than they would be if Gasol was still on the team. This should help you understand

http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/index.php?showtopic=5947&st=0&start=0

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Several Options

Its really tough to say who they should draft, if its talent then rubio would be the good pick and if its need then its kinda tough, while conley hasnt been this nash-esque kind of playmaker that they desperately need him to be, they are even more in need of a power forward. Warrick has had several seasons to prove he is worth starting on a consistent basis and has really not shown up, but then again Arthur isnt really a great starting power forward either. So that leaves them with a few choices : Jordan Hill is probably the best power forward from a potential standpoint, hes athletic, a good rebounder, and appearently has a solid mid range game ( i wouldnt know i never really watched any Zona games this year), this is a fairly weak draft for power forwards outside of Griffin.

Also with the free agents at the power forward, not trying be rude but who really wants to go to Memphis? The only way i see any free agents coming is by offering boatloads of cash ala Chicago and Ben Wallace and that really doesnt seem to be part of the managing style in Memphis, especially during the economic recession we are currently in. So im going to go out on a limb and say they draft Jordan Hill, maybe trade down a pick or two in exchange for future pick(s).

Although i really wouldnt be shocked if rubio was taken.

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gasol trade

memphis was going nowhere with gasol leading them. he was unhappy and the grizzlies had to trade him. also, memphis finished the 07-08 season similar to the 06-07 season in terms of their win-loss record (both 22-60). trading away gasol let gay be the new franchise player of the team. they didn't have consecutive 50-win seasons, maybe consecutive 1st round exits (sweeps actually)? also, they improved their record by 2 games this season.

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zruc57 &FaintingGoat

first im not sure where u get explosive from when describing rubio..second even if they do draft him he wont start because hes shown during the season and last that he has problems with american guards and its gonna take him awhile to adjust to the nba game and learn to not turn the ball over so much( he leads the euroleauge in turnovers...plus that fact hes a 6th man most of the time on his team)

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And dont get me started on

And dont get me started on him asking for a trade and giving half ass effort because the team was losing.

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I think Arthur is a better

I think Arthur is a better player than Hill....

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paul gasol?...you cant say

paul gasol?...you cant say he gave a half ass effort cuz he wanted to be traded..he plays for my lakers now and he gives less then a half ass effort most of the time on defense...very talented player but so damn soft

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^^This will help me prove my

^^This will help me prove my point. If the Lakers didnt have Kobe, the Lakers were in salary cap hell, Pau had a max contract, Pau was the best player on the Lakers and the Lakers only won 20 games while Gasol put out zero effort and played soft as &$#%#&@! you would be ready to run Pau out of town right? But after the trade Gasol pretty much admitted in an article that he quit playing hard for the Grizzlies because he didnt see a point in busting his ass for a losing team. I wish I could find that article.

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Trading Gasol

All I hear is about how the Grizzlies should have traded Pau and how it worked out for them, which is funny because they still stink and anyone who blames Pau for everything that the Grizz did wrong is in denial. Also, even if they decided to trade him, why could'nt they get more in return. No one can say that Marc is better then his brother, and the rest of the pieces are nothing special. So basically they gave away an all-star in his prime who led them to the most success the franchise has ever seen in exchange for an okay center and some cap relief which has been used on guys like Darko Milicic. That was a straight robbery and even the Grizz fans should be able to admit that.

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The Grizzlies signed Darko

Fail.The Grizzlies signed Darko while Pau was still on the team in another failed attempt to build around pau. They were trying to get Pau some inside help to carry his ball for him. The Grizzlies havent spent any of the cap space that got from the Gasol trade yet. The Grizzlies got exactly what they wanted with the Gasol trade. They could have easily gotten Lamar Odom and his contract back but that would defeat the entire point of the trade. They got draft picks, young prospects, major cap space and most importantly, a fresh start. Look at it like this. The Grizzlies were trying to rebuild. Rebuiding around cap space, young players, and a lot of draft picks > not having any cap space and trying to build around a second tier player with mid level exception free agency signings. And givin that fact the Grizzlies are in much better shape and have a much brighter future than if they would have kept Pau. My only regret is we traded him to a good team in the West instead of trading him to one of the worst teams in the league in the East

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cant say cuz if you take

cant say cuz if you take lebron off of clevland and give mo max contract or take chris paul and give west max contract or take off dwight and have lewis with the contract he has now or any other super star then the win total would be very low and none of those players are max contract players so my guess is the team would have to be the clippers in order to be dumb enough to do that..gasol is what he is..a great side kick

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wait a min...i think that

wait a min...i think that you think im disagreeing wit the trade..i dont..i do disagree with what they got back because they could have gottn more players or better players and cap space but as far as him being traded i agree because they weerent gonna go anywhere with him

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They didnt want back better

They didnt want back better players. They wanted cap space, Marc Gasol and picks

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That trade was a fail

And even the Grizz management has admitted it. The reason you free up salary space is becuse you want to sign guys like pau Gasol. He was not over paid and they have not done anything with that money anyways. Also, those picks are both at the end of the first round so it's not like they traded for lottery picks. Crittenton is already out of town.

How can you say they got exactly what they wanted when the management does'nt even feel that way. Pau Gasol is competing for a title and the Grizz will have to over pay to get any solid free-agents to come there.

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thats not exactly what they

thats not exactly what they wanted because they still would have had money for a superstar if they made a better trade..draftexpress broke it down after the trade and showed which players they could have gotten and still had alot of money left over ...its just a fact that that was a bad trade which is why other gms list that trade as one of the worst in the history of the leauge and why they wanted david stern to punish the grizz cuz of it

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They wanted Stern to punish

They wanted Stern to punish the grizz because after the trade their sorry ass team couldnt beat the Lakers anymore. Its that simple.

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and it was a ahorrible

and it was a ahorrible trade..not one other gm sports writier sports caster thinks it was a good trade..even some players were quoted ( without using there name) said it was a bad trade

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Horrible trade for the

Horrible trade for the League. Yes

Horrible for the Grizzlies. NO

The Grizzlies are in great shape right now as a direct effect of that trade. And why does no one call the Moe Williams trade a horrible trade? The Bucks really didnt get anything in that trade

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the thing is they could have

the thing is they could have hade alot of money and a better team then they do now

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the other GM's

A lot of media gave the Grizz a hard time over that trade, but why don't the other 28 GM's in the league get more crap for not stepping up and offering more. If the best package the Grizz recieved was some cap space and late draft picks that may or not develop into solid players, then the rest of the GM's should be called out for this. Pau could have put a lot of teams into title contention.

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Pau's stock wasnt as high

Pau's stock wasnt as high then as it is now. Playing on a good team in Los Angelas has helped it

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his stock definatly wasnt as

his stock definatly wasnt as high as it is now but it was pretty high cuz he was younger while still averaging 18 and 8 while getting double teammed nightly and other gms were trying to get gasol..the bulls were on him hard but other gms cant control the grizz final decision

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Pau's stock

has risen. However 7 foot difference makers who can draw double teams, pass, hit ft's and shoot a high fg % don't come around very often. He might not be able to put a team on his back, but he could have pushed a lot of teams over the top and into title contention just like he has in LA. Someone should have come up with a better package then what the Lakers gave up. I'm sure the Grizz would have loved to have gotten some proven young talent rather then just late picks that are not gauranteed to amount to much.

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lol..i agree although rubio

lol..i agree although rubio and bust could possible be the same thing

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