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- Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 4:51am #63683
220ParticipantI was surprised to see Scott Skiles stepped down as head coach of the Magic after 1 season. That’s pretty surprising to me. He had them playing well early, but things fell apart toward the end of the season. Who do the Magic get to replace him? I’m not sure who Rob Hennigan would want, considering I was shocked he hired Scott Skiles last year.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 5:17am #1061491
XYRYXParticipantsurprising move but it never really mashed well in Florida. Unfortunate season but Joerger must bite his ass now after saying yeas on the first offer in Sactown…
What about Frank Vogel?
He was part of beeing PG13s development and got a way less talented group in Indiana to a constant playoff team. Adding him could mold all the defensive talent along with star player/all star level talents in Dipo, Vuc, Even, Hezonja, Elfrid, Gordon, Lottery Pick, … That’s a nice group to grow and work with to me!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 5:17am #1061369
XYRYXParticipantsurprising move but it never really mashed well in Florida. Unfortunate season but Joerger must bite his ass now after saying yeas on the first offer in Sactown…
What about Frank Vogel?
He was part of beeing PG13s development and got a way less talented group in Indiana to a constant playoff team. Adding him could mold all the defensive talent along with star player/all star level talents in Dipo, Vuc, Even, Hezonja, Elfrid, Gordon, Lottery Pick, … That’s a nice group to grow and work with to me!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 5:40am #1061495
negguaryParticipantThe sort lifespan of NBA coaches….I’d say this is an ideal situation for Frank Vogel, young roster with defensive potential and good assets and trade pieces. If not Vogel definitely David Blatt. Maybe another Van Gundy?? Its a good gig with a great location, people would love to coach there.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 5:40am #1061373
negguaryParticipantThe sort lifespan of NBA coaches….I’d say this is an ideal situation for Frank Vogel, young roster with defensive potential and good assets and trade pieces. If not Vogel definitely David Blatt. Maybe another Van Gundy?? Its a good gig with a great location, people would love to coach there.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 5:54am #1061497
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI’d really be interested to see what Messina could do in a head coaching gig at the nba level and this could be a good opportunity for him. They have a good young nucleus of players with a lot of potential.
My guess is that they probably go with a coach with NBA experience though. Vogel, blatt, van gundy, mark Jackson will probably all get consideration. Maybe Brian Shaw as well who has ties to Orlando from his playing days.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 5:54am #1061375
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI’d really be interested to see what Messina could do in a head coaching gig at the nba level and this could be a good opportunity for him. They have a good young nucleus of players with a lot of potential.
My guess is that they probably go with a coach with NBA experience though. Vogel, blatt, van gundy, mark Jackson will probably all get consideration. Maybe Brian Shaw as well who has ties to Orlando from his playing days.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:13am #1061387
GBeeParticipantThe timing is surprising, but Skiles stepping down instead of being fired is not. IMO, he was brought in for one reason: to get the Magic from point A to point B, which he is certainly capable of doing (point B to point C is a different story though). The organization was tired of being a bad, developing team and they thought that they had the pieces to compete at least for a playoff spot this past season. They were competitive at the beginning, but they also weren’t as reliant on their young players then. Once they hit a bad stretch, the narrative shifted to: if they were gonna lose, they were gonna lose with their young players getting experience. That is not Skiles’ MO. He’s the type of coach who tries to grind out games and plays whatever combination of players he thinks will give his team the best chance of winning each night. He does not play favorites and he certainly does not cater to young players, who often do NOT put a team in a better position to compete night in and night out. He is of the mindset that development comes gradually and that the cream eventually rises to the top. If the young player surpasses whoever is in front of him in the depth chart and gives the team a better chance at competing, then he will get run (which IMO is how it should be).
Towards the middle of the season to the end I think there was a clear directive from the FO to play the younger players more, which not so coincidentally led to the team falling further off the cliff and off the playoff radar. As soon as I saw VO reinserted into the starting lineup, playing a larger role, Gordon starting and Hezonja getting more developmental minutes I knew that them trying to compete was over for the season and Skiles’ days were numbered. He didn’t sign up to be a developmental coach, catering to youth. He was basically handcuffed as a coach which is why I think he said that he is not the right coach for the team in his resignation statement.
To me there are parallels b/t the Magic situation with Skiles and the T’Wolves with Thibs. I’ll be very interested to see how Thibs handles that situation.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:13am #1061509
GBeeParticipantThe timing is surprising, but Skiles stepping down instead of being fired is not. IMO, he was brought in for one reason: to get the Magic from point A to point B, which he is certainly capable of doing (point B to point C is a different story though). The organization was tired of being a bad, developing team and they thought that they had the pieces to compete at least for a playoff spot this past season. They were competitive at the beginning, but they also weren’t as reliant on their young players then. Once they hit a bad stretch, the narrative shifted to: if they were gonna lose, they were gonna lose with their young players getting experience. That is not Skiles’ MO. He’s the type of coach who tries to grind out games and plays whatever combination of players he thinks will give his team the best chance of winning each night. He does not play favorites and he certainly does not cater to young players, who often do NOT put a team in a better position to compete night in and night out. He is of the mindset that development comes gradually and that the cream eventually rises to the top. If the young player surpasses whoever is in front of him in the depth chart and gives the team a better chance at competing, then he will get run (which IMO is how it should be).
Towards the middle of the season to the end I think there was a clear directive from the FO to play the younger players more, which not so coincidentally led to the team falling further off the cliff and off the playoff radar. As soon as I saw VO reinserted into the starting lineup, playing a larger role, Gordon starting and Hezonja getting more developmental minutes I knew that them trying to compete was over for the season and Skiles’ days were numbered. He didn’t sign up to be a developmental coach, catering to youth. He was basically handcuffed as a coach which is why I think he said that he is not the right coach for the team in his resignation statement.
To me there are parallels b/t the Magic situation with Skiles and the T’Wolves with Thibs. I’ll be very interested to see how Thibs handles that situation.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:35am #1061395
HitsterParticipantA bit surprising he went so soon, the usual names are doing the rounds, would also be a very attractive role for college coach to move into.
Thibs is the Head guy at T-Wolves so he won’t be getting any grief from the Front Office.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:35am #1061517
HitsterParticipantA bit surprising he went so soon, the usual names are doing the rounds, would also be a very attractive role for college coach to move into.
Thibs is the Head guy at T-Wolves so he won’t be getting any grief from the Front Office.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:59am #1061409
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantI feel like hed be a great fit for a fast paced, athletic roster they have, imo.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:59am #1061531
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantI feel like hed be a great fit for a fast paced, athletic roster they have, imo.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 7:07am #1061413
Andv1 WaitingParticipantThey need a coach that is good at x’s and o’s and player development…This is a hard call for the magic with most of the good coaches are already hired…
The ones that could work:
Kevin Mchale-he seems to have the skills to get a team on the fringe back to the playoffs-see rockets(until this year) he also could teach aaron gordon a few post moves like he did with al jefferson/Kevin Love.
Frank Vogel-helped get the pacers back to respectability and paul george growth and talent usage was solid.
The Maybe:
David blatt-How much of his record was lebron and what kind of offense would his team actually run..Apparently good rep/record overseas and isn’t bad at player development…
Mike d antoni-he would be intersting in to see what he could do with this team and he always seems to get something out of the PG’s.Has been a head assistant with USA b-ball so may have more knowledge since lakers stint.
Nate mcmillian:has been a part of USA b-ball as a head assistant was alright with portland until injuries really hurt his team resulting in a bad record…Player development is ok-Brandon roy and Lamarcus A
Sam mitchell:He has been a previous coach of the year(06-07 season) and he had the T-wolves improving from 16-66 to 29-53. The only question was it because the team improved or Karl Anthony Towns??His player development seemed ok and X’s and O’s wasn’t completely horrible down the stretch(considering personel).
Jeff Van gundy: if he doesn’t want personal power may also be ok but being out the nba for so long isn’t ideal and I don’t know how he would handle the modern NBA…
The keep away from:
Mike woodson-he is to iso heavy and I don’t know if he would suit this team
Mark jackson-Good at development but people skills aren’t the best:Trying to turn team mates against each other in GSW and apparently clashed with management..X’s and O’s aren’t great either…
Vinnie del negro/Randy wittman-Not the best x’s and o’s coaches and average at player development
George Karl-trying to trade the star player what more can I say…+he is a bit too past it health and age wise…
Brian Shaw-see Denever with all that talent he had he should have been in the playoffs(as G. Karl did)and I don’t think he gets it as a head coach
JB bickerstaff-He is a good assistant but not a head coach…
Larry Drew-he sucked with the bucks but was ok with Hawks but I don’t think he fits this team also…
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/12/2016 - 7:07am #1061535
Andv1 WaitingParticipantThey need a coach that is good at x’s and o’s and player development…This is a hard call for the magic with most of the good coaches are already hired…
The ones that could work:
Kevin Mchale-he seems to have the skills to get a team on the fringe back to the playoffs-see rockets(until this year) he also could teach aaron gordon a few post moves like he did with al jefferson/Kevin Love.
Frank Vogel-helped get the pacers back to respectability and paul george growth and talent usage was solid.
The Maybe:
David blatt-How much of his record was lebron and what kind of offense would his team actually run..Apparently good rep/record overseas and isn’t bad at player development…
Mike d antoni-he would be intersting in to see what he could do with this team and he always seems to get something out of the PG’s.Has been a head assistant with USA b-ball so may have more knowledge since lakers stint.
Nate mcmillian:has been a part of USA b-ball as a head assistant was alright with portland until injuries really hurt his team resulting in a bad record…Player development is ok-Brandon roy and Lamarcus A
Sam mitchell:He has been a previous coach of the year(06-07 season) and he had the T-wolves improving from 16-66 to 29-53. The only question was it because the team improved or Karl Anthony Towns??His player development seemed ok and X’s and O’s wasn’t completely horrible down the stretch(considering personel).
Jeff Van gundy: if he doesn’t want personal power may also be ok but being out the nba for so long isn’t ideal and I don’t know how he would handle the modern NBA…
The keep away from:
Mike woodson-he is to iso heavy and I don’t know if he would suit this team
Mark jackson-Good at development but people skills aren’t the best:Trying to turn team mates against each other in GSW and apparently clashed with management..X’s and O’s aren’t great either…
Vinnie del negro/Randy wittman-Not the best x’s and o’s coaches and average at player development
George Karl-trying to trade the star player what more can I say…+he is a bit too past it health and age wise…
Brian Shaw-see Denever with all that talent he had he should have been in the playoffs(as G. Karl did)and I don’t think he gets it as a head coach
JB bickerstaff-He is a good assistant but not a head coach…
Larry Drew-he sucked with the bucks but was ok with Hawks but I don’t think he fits this team also…
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