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Scare Crow's draft Watch...Who do u want and why

I'm goning to list a few teams I think are in a prime position for some high lottery picks and who I think need to watch out for...

The Raptors...They need size and skill at C and a Pg for the Future...To me they have good shot at a top 3 pick and should have these guys as their top 5 prospects

1.Harrison Barnes , since he's the # 1 guy right now and provides the sure shot pick for a Sf next to Derozen he'd be the guy they want with the first pick...

2.Perry Jones, he may take over the top spot from Barnes and a duo of Derozen and Jones would be very exiting in Toronto post Bosh, now If they could only find a Pg too

3.Kyrie Irving, they have lacked a true point guard for the entire history of the Franchise and a guy with CP3 like feel and potential has to be a high priority in Toronto..

4.Enes Kanter, the Turkish Bull would be a nice mix with The Italian Sharp shooter Bargnani...

5. Jared Sullinger- the Ohio State stud forward may be a Al Horford type Pf/C and the Raps z`


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Add Brandon Knight to the list as well.

Add Brandon Knight to the list as well, I think he will be a sure shot top 10 pick next june.

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I agree with you scarecrow. I

I agree with you scarecrow. I think the Raptors will be leaning towards Barnes/Jones/Irving. I think Toronto has had enough of this euro-style ball. I think it all depends on what Toronto does this season. If they can get rid of Calderon, then I can see the Raptors taking Irving, but Jones or Barnes playing SF next to DeRozan would be nice. I don't think the Raptors will go to choosing Kanter for a two reasons. One, Raptors spent Bargnani's past four years to get him accustomed to C and the the Raptors will have Johnson and Davis playing PF, unless Kanter can play PF. If anything, we should go for a back-up centre through our trade exception or free agency ( I really wish we got Chandler in that supposed Calderon deal )

Bargnani
Davis
Barnes/Jones
DeRozan
Jack (PG through TE or FA)

or

Bargnani
Davis
Weems (SF through TE or FA)
DeRozan
Irving

Either way Raptors will gotta use that trade exception and our money in free agency to acquire a SF or PG depending on how we move in the draft and during this season. I'm actually happy that the Raptors can acquire real talent in this draft and start moving forwards.

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Isn't Derozan the same

Isn't Derozan the same position as Barnes? I don't think Derozan is a two guard.

I'd go with Irving.

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they need an athletic point

they need an athletic point guard, enter irving. i think he would be perfect for toronto.

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He can play both SF and SG

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He can't shoot... No

He can't shoot... No three-point range. He doesn't create his own offense that well. He doesn't look like a two guard to me. To be honest... He reminds me of a poor shooting Rodney Carney coming out of Memphis.

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Irving

Talented PGs have been the rage the last few years. Through having a playmaking point such as Irving, he may help Derozan, Davis, Bargnagni become better players through spreading the defense.

Also, I really dont know how Barnes is going to do in Roy Williams system. In his system, their really is not a lot of room for a wing player to have major stats do to his system. I think that Barnes is going to be good in college, but is not going to be as great as hyped.

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Derozan could be SG on

Derozan could be SG on defense while Barnes would be SG on offense!

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@tezo

Who are you talking about that reminds you of Rodney Carney?

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Next Is The T'Wolves...Barnes/Jones or Other???

The Wolves are a tough nut to crack...

With Beasley and Wes Johnson on board...It's hard to tell is the Wolves would go for a Sf...They could always use the Best talent available and If it Breaks down like it's projected Barnes has to be the Guy if you get # 1...

Though I see the Wolves swinging for the fenches and going for the kid with Big Ticket potential...though Barnes is a nice kid and smart player he may not have that wow factor Kaun may look for with a top 2 Pick...

1.Perry Jones...I think they go for the guy with the biggest upside and put their future in his hands...Though he may play the same position as Barnes,Beasley,Johnson and Love if you see him as Sf/Pf ...I don't think I'm alone in thinking this guy could be the # 1 guy in the draft...

2.Barnes...If Jones jumps or slides I think Barnes is the safe pick...i think Barnes could the Evan Turner of this class and the Wolves may want That...although I feel like Perry Jones is the DMC of the 2011 draft class but think the Wolves for go for the franchise player this year...Perry could be what they've been waiting for..

3.Enes Kanter...they have Love and Beasley at the Pf spot bot Kanter may be a Center in Minny, if both guys above are off the board, the Wolves have to be thinking size, Darko and Pekovic are Franchise C's and Kanter may be the closest they'll come to drafting one ( *cough Demarcus Cousins...

4.Brandon Knight...The Wolves would them a Calipari point guard...especially one that might actually be able to play with Rubio thus making Flynn expendible...Flynn and Beasley would be a nice trade assest If they get a Perry Jones or Harrison Barnes...Brandon Knight would be a guy they'd be aiming for in that that Trade...

5. William Buford or Alec Burks...They could really use a great Sg on top of all their woes and if one of these guys has a break out year watch out for them...

They can go a lot of ways and I figure with a top 5 pick they'd go for broke ...If they get #1 They may go safe with Barnes or may go the longterm Superstar prospect in Perry Jones...If they get 2nd, 3rd,4th or 5th pick...The choices get clearer and we can bet on Perry Jones or Brandon Knight (possibly both)

Rubio may be dealt for the Rights to Perry Jones or Brandon Knight...I can't see him in The small media market in Minnesota ...A young duo of Knight and Jones with Beasley and Flynn possibly involved in another trade for some good Triangle Fits(SG and C)

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DeRozan reminds me of Carney

DeRozan reminds me of Carney coming out of Memphis a little. Both are great athletes who can get out in transition, run and jump, but struggle creating their own offense off of the dribble.

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Tezo

DeRozan now, is better than Carney ever was. Not a very good comparison at all IMO.

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The Raps do need a playmaker to help the Young core grow

Enter Irving( a pass first Pg that can also get his own...I don't sleep on Kanter though a Turkish player just had a off putting relationship in Toronto...It's still a multicultural place with a great balance of Big City/Small City feel...If he can come in late in the season and push the Wildcats to the National Title He'll be a top 3 pick and The Raps would bit on the Bargnani/Kanter Combo...I would go Point Guard Though...and If I was the Raps I'd trade back for Irving,Knight or Selby in that order...I'd also want a young 2 Guard shooter to spread the floor for Derozon and Irving,Knight or Selby...But if they get the # Pick I drafting Harrison Barnes and calling it a day may work out

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TEZOOOOO

I have been reading that DeRozan has been putting work into his 3pt shot and his shooting in general. I am telling you he is gonna have a good year.

http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/originals/index.html

he almost 50% from the floor, and i know his 25% from 3pt line is bad, but he is getting better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr8NsjbLQnY

and look at this summer league plays too, you can see that he is getting to the rim better and he playing more fluid.

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We'll see... I just think

We'll see... I just think he's more Richard Jefferson than Vince Carter.

And as far as the Rodney Carney comparison. It wasn't meant to be a spot on exact comparison. People take comparisons so seriously. I posted he reminded me of Carney a little. They have similarities.

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Lets stay on topic guys...

Derozen right now is closer to Jefferson than Carter but he can get there with a few more seasons under his belt...getting him a few pieces to help him along the way his part of this debate...I feel a great point guard/ penetrator would make it easier for him to get shots and fast break highlights...A guy like Barnes becomes a go to guy and maybe stunts Derozen's growth...they also may draft Perry Jones and go dunk for dunk for half a decade...although they'll then lack a true point guard to make it work...

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your just taking the worst

your just taking the worst teams in the league and listing the top 5 draft prospects. Every team would ideally want those players

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I'm trying to work my way and spark debate along the way

I'm trying to keep a grasp of where most Teams would be looking to draft and what their future plans woulod be there after...Put youself in a GM's shoes for a minute and weigh out the decision..Help me with the 3rd worst team possibly...

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minny is tougher because they

minny is tougher because they have good players at every position but nobody is great. i think with their pick they should go perry jones. to me, he is another kg. i know he has alot of work before he gets there but he definately has all the physical tools.

and my picks are assuming a team is top 5 lotto but not number 1.

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The 3rd worst team imo would

The 3rd worst team imo would have to the Pistons.... to many log jams at each position.

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the pistons shoul draft

i decided to add more to the next post, my bad.

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the pistons shoul draft

the pistons shoul draft harrison barnes. of course the would probably need the number 1 pick but whens the last time the worst team got the first pick? i cant remember. so if im detroit i want barnes. hopefully they can trade away rip and start over like they should have already. stuckey, monroe, and barnes could be a good starting block for detroit.

so far:

1) detroit- harrison barnes
2) minny- perry jones
3) toronto- kyrie irving

who is picking 4th? lol

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4th would be Cleveland

4th would be Cleveland

Lol we should make our own mock drafts and put the teams we think would end up in those places and choose for them. It would be pretty fun.

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ya, i would enjoy it. it

ya, i would enjoy it. it wouldnt be for everyone though.

cleveland- i guess enes kanter. dominant low post scorer and rebounder. cleveland needs to blow that team up. they are still built for lebron but hes not there.

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I liked your list for the Raptors, it was pretty much right on the money, though I might have Irving even above Jones. But, "they have lacked a true point guard for the entire history of the Franchise", is just flat out not true. We started off with a true PG man, Damon Stoudamire. We have lacked a PG since Damon, as Chauncey Billups only stayed for half a season, but that is a bold statement my man. At least give Damon his just due, the dude was our franchise for 2 and a half years, and I saw him play some amazing games with our bad expansion team. Dude dropped a triple double on Gary Payton 11 games into his career, I was there, and he was truly a killer. Rookie of the Year, this guy is our PG for our franchise, he may be it, but at least give him his props man. As much as it may be a joke, respect our franchises (lame) history as much as any others. You can make bold statements, but respecting history would only add to their validity.

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As a T-Wolves fan, I am

As a T-Wolves fan, I am praying for either

1. Perry Jones

2. Harrison Barnes

Even though we currently have an array of talents currently at PF/SF, I would love to see us get Perry Jones. He reminds me of a mixture of KG and T-Mac, if he fulfills his immense potential he could be a franchise player IMO. The dude is a freak, straight up freak and he plays aggressively and with confidence too which is something our squad needs. He's for real and he knows it. He's by far my favorite prospect, considerably above even Barnes IMO b/c of his upside.

My 2nd choice would be Barnes who could finally fill that void at SG that we have constantly tried to fill with SFs. Barnes can do it all and reminds me of a young grant hill (and if grant never got hurt, he would have been one hell of a player in this league, he still was regardless). He is IMO by far the most NBA ready player in the draft at this point. I think he will have a smooth transition into the league and will be willing to play in whatever system the coach puts him in. Therefore, throwing him in the triangle could be a match made in heaven.

REALISTIALLY now,

As a T-wolves fan I have come to accept that we will never land the top pick even if we finish 0-82, and grabbing the 2nd is a fat chance in itself. Therefore, we probably would end up settling for Kanter, Motiejunas, another international or Kahn could once again go PG on our asses.

If we do end up with the 1st overall pick, i'd imagine a lockout would ensue and come 2012 the armageddon shall commence ;)

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I think the Wolves may get the # 1 this year

Them, the Raptors and Cavs are my top 3 worst teams...The Pistons and Warriors may be top 5 worst Teams...Now MikeyV...my bad I forgot about Damon but he was only there for those 2 seasons and I just remember him mostly as a Jail Blazer...Alvin Williams was the PG when you had VC and TMac...that could have been the thing that held them back from really taking off in Toronto...Thats why I'd think long and hard about drafting the best Pg available...

Now The T'Wolves have to get a Franchise Type player...I really don't think Barnes is a franchise Player...he seems like a Very good role player or 2nd option...but they need a Star Player and i feel like Perry Jones and Brandon Knight are the guys with the Most Star potential in their game...I believe that Rubio will never play in Minnesota and that this is the year they Trade him for Top 10 pick...They'll draft Perry Jones or Brandon Knight with the Pick they get from trading Rubio...They'll draft One of those guys with their top 3 pick...I could see the Wolves getting both guys by Trading Rubio for a 2nd top ten pick...They can then either move Beasley or keep him,Flynn,Wes and K-Love to run with the New KG/Marbury type Draft Picks...

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Yo MDymes...they will get the pick I believe

And if they do...They Have to get Perry Jones in Minnesota...Trade Rubio for Brandon Knight and build around

Brandon Knight...Perry Jones...Micheal Beasley...Kevin Love...Johny Flynn and Wes Johnson bench duo...

Barnes is a Role Player type...He'll be the Evan Turner of this class...the best overall player in the draft but not a Super Star type landscape changer...I believe guys like P.Jones and B.Knight are kids you gun for...Rubio may be the best trade asset to get a top 10 pick...So the Wolves should go for Two Star type players and see if a Big 3 of

Knight-Perry and Beasley can bring them some success and new fans...I'd route for that Team...

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Fair enough, it is cool, I know he was only there for 2 and a half years, but he was the franchise during that time, and it has been kind of a Damon, nobody, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh thing with our history in general. Those were a very memorable 2 and a half years for me though, and Damon was a PG I really liked and never got his just due being on those Blazer teams (especially seeing that Portland is his hometown), but he was a sick PG. I do however agree that since he has left, and we did not wait on Chauncey Billups (who was traded to us when Kenny Anderson was traded for Damon and refused to play in Toronto, thus traded to Boston in exchange for Chauncey, who was a rookie and the 3rd pick in the draft that year. He was than traded to his hometown of Denver, where I think he left after a very brief period), we have had serious problems at PG. Alvin Williams was a fan favorite, but not a good starting PG. Mike James had a year where he averaged 20, but again, was not an ideal PG. Rafer Alston even played some point for the Raps, but when Mike James outperforms you in the same spot, not great. The best thing we had since Damon was the two headed monster of TJ Ford and Jose Calderon. If you could take certain qualities of each player and meld them together, we would be set, but both of them thought they were starters, and both have subsequently proven they are starters for lotto bound teams. So, I totally agree we need a new look at PG, and would be very happy if Irving came to Toronto next year. My first priority is Harrison Barnes, who I think is bound to be a star and the best player out of the 2011 draft class, but Irving is next in line. I would even take him above Perry Jones honestly, unless Perry has a big year at Baylor. At this time though, I do not think you could go wrong with taking Irving over Jones, as I think you are getting a potential All-Star PG over, well, potential. Perry Jones has a lot going for him, but it is tough to know if he will put it all together, and the Raptors situation if they had the second pick kind of reminds me of a 2005 draft, where the Hawks needed help at multiple positions and took Marvin Williams based on his potential. Irving may not be Chris Paul, but he is reminiscent of him, and to me will be more of a proven product than Perry Jones by this time next year. But, I did really like this thread by you man, it is good stuff and actually portains to the draft.

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Mikey i have to agree on almost everything u said

Because It's true and u have a better grasp at what the Raps need...I would have a PG like Kyrie Irving very high on my draft board if I'm Toronto...for what we just talked about and the fact a Pg helps Derozen the most out of any pick...Barnes who I feel is very solid looks a lot like a Luol Deng type...great mid range game and overall talent but not the 1st option...although Pg's aren't usally the first option on offense I'd say a Guy like Irving would be higher than Barnes for what he can do for the entire Team...Now The big question to me is Franchise Pg or Franchise Player

( Irving Vs. Jones ) It's no secret the Raps need star and I'm not to sure Irving is one...he'll be a great Pg and pass and defend and help guys grow...but will that sell Tickets...does It give another potential Star in Bargs and Derozen step it up now that have a 6'11 Sf/Pf that can just about take over as face of the franchise for you in a 1 or 2 years...

I can see the NBA ready arguement Barnes and Irving present over Jones but the Raps need a big time Talent in this Draft...

Now I some views from Wolves fan ....Lets touch on them and their situation and then vote on a Third worst Team...

Their are some bad Teams( Cavs Minus Lebron-Warriors minus a Coach-Pistons I think will be decent...The Pacers could be bad...The Clippers( youth and health )...The Kings ( Youth not lack of Talent ) Nets ( See Kings )

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1-Barnes-Number 1 ranked

1-Barnes-Number 1 ranked prospect and a potential superstar. Right now hes a cant miss prospect. This is aso the type of kid the Toronto Raptors usually invite into their organization, bright kids with great academic records, and positive attitudes.

2-Irving-Great playmaker and leader on the court, would really be a great player to faciliate the offense in an athletic run and gun Toronto style offense. He is also another smart kid with a great attitude.

3-Kanter-Good size especially for the run and gun at the 5, great fluidity, used to play some gaurd I believe so skill is not an issue, monster on the boards and would be a great. Toronto has always been keen on international talent.

4-Jones-Extremely versatile and athletic, although also has many question marks and is very raw. On a Toronto team with many wings and forwards developing adressing a need at Center and PG is their main priority. His attitude and work ethic are also somewhat suspect but if his talent is as good as advertised it would be hard to pass up.

5-Knight- A potential high octane scorer is something the Raptors lack and also another very bright kid. Depending on his playmaking skills his stock may rise or fall. Toronto likes to grab kids from prestigous programs.

Sleepers-Melo, Sullinger.

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Because It's true and u have a better grasp at what the Raps need...I would have a PG like Kyrie Irving very high on my draft board if I'm Toronto...for what we just talked about and the fact a Pg helps Derozen the most out of any pick...Barnes who I feel is very solid looks a lot like a Luol Deng type...great mid range game and overall talent but not the 1st option...although Pg's aren't usally the first option on offense I'd say a Guy like Irving would be higher than Barnes for what he can do for the entire Team...Now The big question to me is Franchise Pg or Franchise Player

( Irving Vs. Jones ) It's no secret the Raps need a star and I'm not to sure Irving is one...he'll be a great Pg, pass, defend and help guys grow...but will that sell Tickets...does It give another potential Star in Bargs and Derozen the confidence to step it up now that they have a 6'11 Sf/Pf that can just about take over as face of the franchise for you year 1 or 2...

I can see the NBA ready argument Barnes and Irving present over Jones but the Raps need a big time Talent in this Draft...

Now I need some views from Wolves fan ....Lets touch on them and their situation and then vote on a Third worst Team...

Their are some bad Teams( Cavs Minus Lebron-Warriors minus a Coach-Pistons I think will be decent...The Pacers could be bad(Besides Hibbert their frontline is a huge question mark)...The Clippers( Age,youth and health )...The Kings ( Youth not lack of Talent ) Nets "See Kings"

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Yeah Oh Canada that's the Safe Route...

Best Player,Best Pg or Best Big Man...But If Perry has a big year at Baylor(20 plus points-8 rebs and 2 to 3 blks...with a few nice assist here and there...Sports Center posterizing dunks...And a run in the Tourney where he maybe knocks off a big team or two) you have to think about him over guys like Barnes,Kanter and Irving...

And Wolves Fans...Trade Rubio for the Rights to Brandon Knight or Perry Jones( If he slipes out the top 4 some how think Cousins last year)

The Wolves have to get Perry Jones and Brandon Knight...They can get a High Pick for Rubio in the 2011 Draft...

The will have a high Themselves...I hope they go Big In Kaunland and Draft a Calipari Guard and Big Potential Guy Like Brandon and Perry...I don't care if they are another Pg and Sf( They drafted an assload the last 2 years)

They can either Trade Beasley/Love(though I wouldn't Trade either...Beasley's the Sf...Perry's my 4 and Love may be my Five on most nights...At worst one of them is the 6th man) I start Flynn and Wes year 1 and have Brandon take over year 2...I think a Knight/Jones combo could be the Wolves Marbury/Garnett All Star Duo from back in the days...Rubio is a guy I just don't see in Minnesota...He's the best trade chip they have and can get them a Top 5 Pick ( Some One will want him that bad if Irving is off the Board...Rubio would be the 1st or 2nd ranked Pg in this class and is still young )

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