Say the cavs get the 2nd pick...
And Noel is off the board, would they take mclemore,porter or other?
Porter and the Cavs make the most sense in terms of roster fit of pretty much and lottery player/team combo you can think of.
and better prospect. I say you either trade up to 1 or back to three. I don't see how Benny Mac, by anybody's calibration wouldn't at the very least be the second best prospect in this years draft. He is like a better, more edgy, technically sound more athletic Bradley Beal. If I'm the Cav's I can't pass on McLemore for anybody but Noel and that's not written in stone. I could see Len but that's not a reality now, I don't think. Porter is smart and long, so you really can't lose but at the top of drafts you gotta pick the best available talent.
so would you trade Dion Waiters?
I wouldn't trade Dion. One its a guard oriented league and two there no telling whether McLemore could beat Dion out of minutes to start with. It seems natural to start McLemore and let Dion take over a pg and then move Kyrie to the 2half way through the first quarter, but that's only in theory, I would see how it plays out. Waiters hates coming off the bench as B Scott found out this year but after being benched he decided to get more efficient. No matter if the numbers and old school logic tell the team throw it in the post to TT, it will never be the featured play of the Cav's offense. Plus, Dion can also play back up point guard and has on occasion shown to be potentially really good at it. I think you keep both as they would appear to have All Star potential. I would only trade one later if they were at there peak in value, which is there restricted free agent year. There is 96 minutes at the guard positions and those guys are interchangeable. There would still be a hole at the three but that's what 30 million in cap space and probably but not hopefully a high 2014 pick is for. I would rather offer Kahwi Leonard a max deal down the line and have that dynamic guard trio than take Porter over McLemore. That's not a knock on Porter, I really like Porter, from his skill set and intelligence what I read about his family and father not letting him play AAU. I don't think the Cav's could lose with a top 3 pick, I think its gets very, very tricky at 4 though.
I was pretty surprised when they took Thompson at #4 two years ago, and I was surprised when they took Waiters last year too. I feel like the Cavs board is nothing like my own and will probably have a few guys with different grades than my own. That being said I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up having someone like Porter ranked #1 or #2 on their big board. The guys does a lot of things well, and is just starting to scratch his potential.
I'd still go for Porter. No way you for B-Mac and trade Waiters. Waiters looks impressive and can provide so much more than B-mac. I am seeing a lot of Deng in him. Like Deng he is never going to be an in your face all star for years to come. Like Deng he might scrap in to one or two. But you don;t always need to draft a guy you think will be a superstar. All ready a young core of Irving, Waiters, TT. A glue guy is needed and i think Porter is that man.
I agree with a lot of what you said but a glue guy at the third pick even in a weak draft is a tough sell on me. I say draft dynamic and trade for glue. My board has Noel at one way above everyone else except McLemore. The Cav's liked Dion because of his background not in spite of it, I would suspect McLemore would be a even better case of a tough hard nosed youth who eventually bought into coaching and team play. Porter seems quiet as does McLemore so it may be a wash in terms of on the court fire and they are both really smart with shot selection and spacing plus both have good length at their positions. I would actually give the edge to Porter in smarts and spacing but the athleticism to McLemore. The more I think about it, your right to some degree, its really a win-win.
It's a tough call, but I think they would have to go for McLemore. Waiters came off the bench every game back in Syracuse and was the best 6th man in all of college basketball. Plus most people think about the draft this year and only this year. What about next year when we get loads of talented forwards coming into the league? Would you rather McLemore and one of Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Gordon, or any of the other top forwards, or would you rather take Porter now and not really need a SF next year?
I think McLemore and Noel and are lock to go 1/2 no matter who moves up into those spots in the lottery.
I feel like Porter is just too good of a fit for the Cavs to pass on. He would be that glue guy that they could really use. IMO McLemore has more potential as a scorer, but that's not really what they need considering Kyrie and Waiters can both fill them up. While I would usually agree that you gotta go with BPA at the #2 spot I just feel like the Cavs could really use Otto. I like the Deng comparison too and in the Cavs situation I think they need a player like that more than a guy that might have "star" potential".
If they get the 2nd pick they should trade down to a spot somewhere in the 7 - 12 spot and grab whoever they like there. I think Porter might be gone but what about Bazz, Adetokoubo, Oladipo or maybe a big like the other Zeller, Len or even Bennett. For their 2nd pick they should get another talent or a vet on top of that or even a 1st rounder in 2014 is possible.
Porter is a good choice for the Cavs but honestly a wasts as the 2nd pick. There are so many nice prospects available later in the 1st or even 2nd Round that may have the same upside as porter.
A team like the Bobcats should do the same in my opinion. Sell the pick for the Hawks picks and a Pick in 2014 and grab players like KCP, Adams or heck even Goodwin, Lorenzo Brown or Abrines from Spain are excelent talents.
I would love to get my hands on 2 mid first rounders and a 2 rounder as trade pieces for a top 5 pick this year.
Guys like Elias Harris aren't even listed in the Mock and are rock solid rotation players right from the start.
The Cavs need to get Porter. He is perfect for them. At #2, they without a doubt need to take him. I think that McLemore is a better prospect, but not so much better that the Cavs should take him over their perfect fit. Only if they get the first pick should they consider trading down. If they have the third or fourth pick, don't be surprised if a team like the Hornets trades up to take Porter before the Cavs do. If he is on the board, he is an obvious pick for the Cavs.
Porter would be the better fit but taking B-Mac wouldn't surprise me.
I think they would keep both B-Mac and Waiters and eventually bring Waiters off the bench. Irving-BMac-Waiters sounds like a nice trio at the guard position.