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Same ole Knicks......i thinks not

Seems that the last laugh (so far) is on some of us (me included) thinking the knicks were the same ole laughing stock of the league. They have been winning of late ( although against no playoff teams) but they are proving tonight that it hasn't been a fluke ( As of now beating the hornets by 12).

They are still one of the lower rebounding teams but they are third in the league in scoring on the flip side they are also third in the league in point allowed and one of the worst teams in the NBA on defense ( 5th worst) but with all of that they are still playing good basketball of late which is better then some may realize because in the big picture it can't do anything but help in there bid to get Melo to come there

For now its times to give credit where it is due and the Knicks deserve credit for there recent success


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i predicted they would make

i predicted they would make the playoffs as the 7th or 8th seed. But most of my knick bashing had to do with all the knick fans acting like they had some great off-season that was complely worth tanking the last few years and giving up draft picks for. If being a solid competitive team is what they were pulling for all along, then congrats.

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I agree. That's the reason i

I agree. That's the reason i would be down on the knicks. it wasnt that i didn't like them it's just some fans made it hard to like them and there wasn't much positive going on in Knick land to actually talk about except rumors

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I understand how yall feel

I understand how yall feel about some New York Knicks fans because I am a Saints fans and I live in Cowboy territory and even though Dallas is having a losing season, these fans think that Dallas is the best team in the league and that Saints got lucky because the game was close. Unfortunately if you look at a lot of the Saints games, they tend to do what they did against Dallas a lot. They tend to let teams come back into game that they should never come back in but most of time Saints win.

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HATE HATE HATE HATE DALLAS

HATE HATE HATE HATE DALLAS

REDSKINS fan so its the law that we have to hate the cowgirls

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I am a New Orleans Hornets

I am a New Orleans Hornets fan but I am also a semi fan of New York. They are foreal. They have some hole but they have talent and to be honest no one though Lebron was going to team up with Wade so New York took a risk to get him. It would go for the gold rather than be average. They could add Melo next year and be a top 3 team in the East. They would probably be the 5th best team in the East at best if they would have continue to go the route they did. Also if they can keep finding gems like Fields, Gallo, and the traded Lee, they should be good. I will admit Jordan Hill drafted was terrible and being that my homie talks about New York all the time, I told him a lot that New York should have trade with Washington like Minny did and grabbed Curry. As good as Felton is doing now, can you imagine if Curry would have been a Knick.

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I am a New Orleans Hornets

I am a New Orleans Hornets fan but I am also a semi fan of New York. They are foreal. They have some hole but they have talent and to be honest no one though Lebron was going to team up with Wade so New York took a risk to get him. It would go for the gold rather than be average. They could add Melo next year and be a top 3 team in the East. They would probably be the 5th best team in the East at best if they would have continue to go the route they did. Also if they can keep finding gems like Fields, Gallo, and the traded Lee, they should be good. I will admit Jordan Hill drafted was terrible and being that my homie talks about New York all the time, I told him a lot that New York should have trade with Washington like Minny did and grabbed Curry. As good as Felton is doing now, can you imagine if Curry would have been a Knick.

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There is not a rivalry

There is not a rivalry between Dallas and New Orleans but it is just that since New Orleans won and Dallas fans think that they are better than the Saints, they feel they should have won. I don't understand this logic since Saints will probably get to the big game this year too but I am not sure if we will win but still 1 out of 2 super bowl opportunities is great especially when you get there and give yourself a chance to win it. The city of New Orleans will be jumping since we finally have a very good team that will at least give us a chance to win it all even though that is tough to do in the NFL let alone repeat.

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Anybody watch the Celtic

Anybody watch the Celtic Chicago game?? KG looks a lot more quick laterally and off the floor I thought he was done after the knee injury

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speaking of football, just

speaking of football, just got my nnamdi asomugha jersey tonight and am going to the raiders/chargers game sunday. Gonna represent the silver and black in sd

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This is Mr Knick. I'm on my

This is Mr Knick. I'm on my itouch.... CPU broke,

I'll ask this: right now would you agree NY had a top 5 free agency last offseason? Amare is playing his brains out, Felton is doing work, fields is a top 5 rookie. Once Azu comes back: he and Turiaf will have us recieving something from the lee trade. Plus we have a 1st rounder? Lifes good :)

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a Raiders fan wow it has been

a Raiders fan wow it has been a while for you huh. You can finally feel good to be a Raiders fan. Hey I got you. Saints were bad for a while but we give yall hope that if you continue to improve and get some nice pieces and good system and coach you can win it all against favorites like Manning and his Colts

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top five and you're including

top five and you're including draft picks i have to say possibly. Not just looking at stats but how much did it help the team and impact of the palers they got

Miami(lebron and bosh)

clippers(blake)

lakers( because they had no bench)

Jazz(now one of the best in the west after losing boozer but gaining jefferson)

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Throw in the fact Chandler

Throw in the fact Chandler has played well and we still haclve the Curry contract to deal with. We could flip him for a player teams don't want

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I dont think you can include

I dont think you can include Blake in offseason since he is last season acquisition but he is healthy this year. Bledsoe is looking nice for them though.

Jazz is more they got better through subtraction which is weird but I still think in the playoff, they will have a tough time unless they are fully healthy. Also it is funny how no one is boosting up Hayward anymore. I take that back some ESPN dude said Hayward and the Jazz like Hayward is a key component this year. That was funny to me.

Lakers offseason is key because they helped themselves for a 3 peat by getting so really good bk up and kept Brown

Miami can not be topped because those two guys are both top 2 and top 10 players

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I only included blake because

I only included blake because landry was included.

No one wants curry and his expiring contract even though it is expiring. I thought some teams would but when they did a poll on CBS sports of some teams GM's no body wanted it. Usually with someones expiring contract they can contribute a lil but this guy cant contribute at all. The news report about him on the stationary bike while eating a doughnut probably didn't help either

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Knicks will never win

Knicks will never win anything significant as long as D'Antoni is there, nobody on that team plays defense except Fields and the way they are constructed I don't see them contending for a title even with Melo. Defense is a mindset and if your coach doesn't preach it your not going to do it cause he won't hold you responsible if you don't.

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Felton/Amare combo has been

Felton/Amare combo has been great lately. This system is great for these guys.

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They will need to change that

They will need to change that defense to do anything besides make the playoffs though

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that's what I'm saying,

that's what I'm saying, defense is a mindset and if your coach doesn't believe in it and preach it neither will the team. He needs to hold the players accountable when the make bad defensive plays. Take them out of the game if they make a stupid play and they'll learn eventually, but it all starts with the coach.

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but landry fields was

but landry fields was actually added soo where your coming from makes no sense? and yes the knicks definatley are in the top 5 maybe the top 3. hopefully next year they will be one with some kind of other big addition because that what they need to become a contender

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I have seen them get stops.

I have seen them get stops. My biggest issue with them early on was offensively late in game they were predictable and kept throwing it to Amare and just standing around or they would throw up terrible shots. Defensively they are good enough right now to win 50 or so games if their offense is clicking which should not be an issue for a Mike D'Antoni team. Charlotte Bobcat is a strong defensive team that loses because of talent level and lack of scoring. Boston loses so game because they lack scoring and sometimes a hot shooting team can not be defended like Cavs when they beat them. Defense is good but you have to put up point because ever team has runs in them regardless of your defense. Miami will start being good when they can turn their defense into scoring opportunity and not just stop people and don't put up enough points to win games. Knicks are athletic enough to give people fits on defense without a strong concept of D. It is kind of like if you can put up points you can force a team that likes to slow it down and focus on defense to have to rev up their point too and then they will make mistakes just because control the tempo gives teams and advantage. The only defense that is really key is get key stop a key moments you can play good defense of a close game and lose because you could not make a key stop and you can play average defense and win a close game because you got a key stop. The Knicks can now focus on scoring and getting that key stop because they will never be a great defensive team but if they can score like this without Melo and they get Melo, they won't have too.

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BIG DEAL. The Jazz destroyed

BIG DEAL. The Jazz destroyed the Hornets about a week ago, and now the Jazz are on a 7 game winning streak while the Hornets are struggling, and showing that earlier in the season they were just blowing a lot of smoke. You said it yourself, the Knicks are winning right now but against mediocre teams. Well guess what as of now the Hornets are also mediocre.

Though I still think the Knicks will be good enough to get 7th or 8th place in the east, and then they will get even better once they get someone like Melo to come to the Big Apple.

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Amare doin his thing with

Amare doin his thing with help from felton and quietly from chandler. I watched amare for 8 years dunking on guys making them look silly, finishing with authority, shooting near 80% from the line, developing a mid range jumper, drawing double teams and kicking it out to the open shooter for three, etc... This team truly is changed, and befoe you know it, within a year or two when they get one more marquee player, they gonna be title contenders.

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Hornets are 13-6 thats no

Hornets are 13-6 thats no mediocore.

You play who's on your schedule they lost to some bad teams too the Bucks, Warriors, Twolves, Sixers, Rockets and they have a great road record at 8-4. They've been competitive against better teams the Celtics, Bulls and Nuggets. They did have a bad showing against the Hawks but weren't blown out and Atlanta played great that game. The team is much improved esp. at PG. Felton has been money he outplayed a lot of PG's and has a career high in pts, asts, fg and ft%. The shot blocking is much improved now 1st in the league, no longer do teams just go inside and attack the rim at will on the Knicks.

The tanking thing makes no sense especially since they didn't have their 1st rounder last year. In 09 they won 32 games, there is a diff. in trading your top player for expiring contracts or just tanking by not playing them. Anyway no 1st rounder this year but they drafted Fields in the 2nd round and most say he's the steal of the draft right now. The 2010 1st rounder was traded away maybe 5 yrs ago by you know who. Trading the 2012 pick hurts but not as much as giving away Jordan Hill. Houston won't have an elite team this year most likely so they will get a decent draft pick. They have given up a lot of pts and they've played some high scoring teams the Rockets, Warriors twice and Nuggets. The last 5 games they've given up on avg. 100 ppg, its early and they have time to improve. Especially when Turiaf gets healthy and Mozgov learns to foul less they'll be better.

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Take a look at New York's

Take a look at New York's schedule from mid-December to mid-January and make the claim Knick fans won't be miserable again really soon.

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Yes, NYK 2010, 13-6 is not

Yes, NYK 2010, 13-6 is not mediocre but lets just see who the Hornets lost those 6 games and a few of those of 13 wins as well. Remember they started out 10-1. Then they go 3-5, that is definitely mediocre by my standards. One of those 3 wins came against the Kings who they barely beat by 4 and scoring only 75 points. They were lucky to win that one. Then they lose to the Clippers right afterwards. The Clippers are probably the worst team in the league and the Hornets who were one of the best teams in the league lose to them. That seems pretty mediocre to me. Then they get destroyed by the Jazz who were probably just as hot as the Hornets when they were 10-1. I expected this one to be a lot closer but it turned out to be a blowout. To me that all sounds pretty mediocre.

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A win is a win esp. on the

A win is a win esp. on the road if the Hornets had won 10 straight and lost some would say they were due or had an off night. They defended Chris Paul well and neither team played the night before. Like I said you play who's on your schedule they beat the Bulls and were close to beating the Celtics and Nuggets. Any team can beat anyone esp. early in the season and Clips aren't the worst team in the league the 76ers or Kings are. Definately we'll see how good the Knicks are with the upcoming games. They aren't an elite team that will win 55 games but 45 wins doesn't seem crazy now. They've improved a lot esp. with a Center when Turiaf has been out. Right now its Chandler and Amare really as their bigs, Mozgov is foul prone and not getting mins for a reason. Knicks beating up on bad teams still means something since many consider them 1 of those teams. Seems like most of the teams in the NBA have beaten up on bad teams so far look at the Heat, Lakers and most other teams. 11-9 after a 3-8 start looks pretty good.

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Even with melo they aren't

Even with melo they aren't title contenders. they still are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and adding melo will not change that. You dont win titles being that bad at defense

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"but 45 wins doesn't seem

"but 45 wins doesn't seem crazy now."

Yes, it does. Enjoy that they are better than they were last year. Enjoy the wins. Joke about the fact that they gave Timofey Mozgov $10 million. It isn't going to last all year. December 12th until January 28th is a 22 games stretch where they are going to be bad. Winning one in three would be a success, which means they are going to be back under .500 and in that muck of bad teams in the East trying to see who can win 37 and get the 7th and 8th seeds.

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I dont thik 45 games is out

I dont thik 45 games is out of reach.

With Felton, Amare, Wilson Chandler, Fields, and Danilo playing well, and when Toney Douglas heals, they do have a legit shot at winning 45 games.

They have proven they can win on the road, they have veteran presence, they have instant scoring in amare, and they have many 3 point shooting weapons whom amare can kick out to on the the double team.

Dont be surprised when they steal games from good teams in the upcoming tough stretch on their schedule.

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the knicks

know the next 6 week will either make or break there year. but here going into it as they hoped. winning 8 of 9 and beating a playoff team in the hornets. but before that tuff schedule starting dec 12 against the nuggs we HAVE to beat the rapps twice minni and washington. i think we should by the way we are playing

the knicks show they are real against the upcoming teams in dec.

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