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Sam Hinkie

I saw a comment saying how he was a great GM and I have real mixed thoughts on this. I think Hinkie is just a tier below Ainge when it comes to making trades. He really knows how to maximize trade assets. But that's all he can do. He purposely put togeather a team that would lose in order to get good draft picks.

That being said he really can't draft if his life depended on it. He traded Holiday after being an all star for a top 5 pick. That pick was Noel and he's no longer on the team. He Drafted Okafor who is an absolute mess people forget he had multiple first round picks offered for the spot they drafted Okafor in another bust. MCW another bust had a good year but we all knew he was trash.

He hit on Embiid but Embiid was basically red shirted for 3 years and he fell into his lap there's no way he would have taken him if he had the one pick. Let's not forget the fact they drafted 3 bigs 3 years in a row. Ben Simmons was the concencus 1 pick so it's not like you can give him credit for that. Saric was always a stash player for him he didn't know how good he was he just knew he wanted a talented player he could keep overseas so they could continue to lose games.

My overall take on Hinkie is he never did much except convince ownership to tank for better picks and we can all see the value in that. Too me sitting healthy players and fielding a team that can't win is the same thing. Either way your trying to lose games. .


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Because of him they got

Because of him they got Embiid, Saric and Simmons..and they're a playoff team this year..trust the process..He could be worst, Kings, Magic, Suns, Knicks etc. have been in the same position the last several years and have not progressed with thier moves.

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Hate hate hate hate

I know there is a lot of hate in this forum for Hinkie, but I respect the guy. He did exactly what he said he was going to do, it worked, and he got fired and ostracized for it. He bent the rules so much that they had to change them. The lottery is a lottery in itself in that you don't know what your getting. No one really knew that Okafor would be this bad and Porzingis this good. But he put his team in the best position possible to get stars and he got them. Don't give him credit for taking Simmons? How do you think they got the #1 pick???!!! All this team needs to do is stay together and add pieces and it could be a franchise contender. Hinkie did the dirty work.

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He tricked my magic into

He tricked my magic into giving him the 76'ers own pick back from this year (top 8 protected), a second rounder they then traded to New York (Willy Hernandez), and Dario Saric for Elfrid Payton. He's damn good at collecting assets, never got the chance to see if he could use those assets to make the team he wanted to. It's just speculation, but I definitely don't think he would have given up the third pick and LA's 2018 pick for Markelle.

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Sam Hinkie's main skill was

Sam Hinkie's main skill was collecting assets. He did that well, but I imagine many GMs could do similar things if the owner lets them strip the roster bare. Outside of that he gets an incomplete at best as he never got into the roster building part of his process.

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Hinkie wanted Porzingis over

Hinkie wanted Porzingis over Okafor but Porzingis wouldn't work out for the Sixers because they were so awful and clearly tanking. I bet if you ask Porzingis now he regrets it as one team is on their way up and the other is in the same place they have been the last 5 years.

I don't think Hinkie would have traded a draft pick to move up for a higher pick like the Sixers did for Fultz. Maybe an established vet like the Jimmy Butler deal the Wolves made.

It would have been interesting to see how he finished the procecss. Either way the guy was a visionary not afraid to mocked for losing at an unprecedented rate in order to secure a better future for the team.

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www.foxsports.com/nba/story/r

www.foxsports.com/nba/story/report-hinkie-is-head-over-heels-for-kristaps-porzingis-061715

Ownership ended up pressuring them to take Okafor. Then the NBA pressured ownership to get rid of Hinkie. Coangelo is no Hinkie...but hopefully he is able to lure some quality free agents.

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There are quite a few Hinkie

There are quite a few Hinkie fans. If Hinkie was so great, why does he not get another job somewhere else ?

I think sixers have been a bit lucky - landing 2 first overall picks, gambling on Embiid. He could have easily been injured again and no more playoffs for sixers

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Silver

Plain and simple Silver wouldn't allow it. If a team was even considering Hinkie, they would be getting a phone call from the top.

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He did a good deal to get the

He did a good deal to get the rights to Saric, Simmons was a no brainer pick. Noel and Okafor didn't work out and Embiid was taken as BPA when he was in the draft.

Lots of GMs aquired assets - look at Ainge with KG/PP trade and afterwards. Sam Presti did when rebuilding OKC after Ray Allen left. It's not hard to gut a roster and make cap space and take on salary dumps.

If a team wanted to go into rebuilld maybe hire Hinkie to make those moves but you may want someone else to oversee draft picks.

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From a numbers stand-point

From a numbers stand-point you have to love Hinkie.

However, let’s remember, basketball, to a great extent, is about honor. Honoring the best player, honoring the best team, bringing honor to your home town. The world rewards those who do the opposite of trends, as Hinkie did. But I’m not sure that skirting the spirit of rules is something we should applaud in basketball or otherwise.

If Jason Kidd tossed water on a basketball court, not to stop the game, but to injure the other team’s star player, would we praise that if it started being an effective strategy?

The real honor in basketball comes from winning... in a way that doesn’t compromise the spirit of trying to win. Teams trying to lose at the end for lottery points, not only includes losing on purpose, but changes playoff races. You might get a free give-me game at the end of the year from a tanking team and wind up in the playoffs when you’d have missed out had you played a competitive team.

No Hinkie isn’t alone. At all. I just feel funny about praising intentional losing: the opposite of what basketball is about.

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The NBA is a unique league in

The NBA is a unique league in the way it has become so Superstar driven. Hinkie was just ahead of the curve in his thinking. You can't win a title without 2 elite players in the NBA anymore. The Mavs team that beat LeBron his first year in Miami is a thing of the past. One star surrounded witht he right cast of vetaran role players isn't enough. In Philly we found that out in 2001 when AI was MVP but eventually got smacked by Shaq and Kobe.

He knew he had to get superstar players and he knew the only way to get them was to be really bad. The team always gave effort but the roster was never capable of 25 wins. You can say it is dishonorable or exploting the rules but it appears it worked. Simmons and Embiid are two potential superstars and they have cap room to add a third.

There are at most 5 or 6 teams that wouldn't be willing to trade places with the Sixers right now going forward. It wasn't fun during the build up but after over a decade of mediocrity it seems like the only course of action that could have gotten them to this point.

Sam Hinkie isn't the first GM to tank but he is the first to do it unapologetically...and now years later I assume the rules will change because of it...sometimes you need someone willing to bend the rules in order to get better rules in place. It is also why no other rebuilding teams will hire him but they will attempt the same practices while they still can.

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Hinkie acquired James Harden in Houston

And then after Phila was Decimated by the Andrew Bynum deal - Every bit as bad as the Nets/Celtics trade

And w/ Nothing to work with made some of the greatest trades in recent years that led Directly to Simmons & Markelle Fultz

When he drafted Embiid & Saric in 2014 Every talking head claimed it was the Worst Draft in NBA History - so let's Stop w/ the Embiid fell in his lap in 2014

B/c you are engaging in revisionist histroy - I'm a Lakers fan & I'd LUV to trade places w/ Phila - he cleaned out a garbage team, got their cap in order & now they are really the OInly team w/ cap space & great young players who can add a Tier 1 free agent

And Bryan Colangelo is responsible for NONE of that

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Hinkie acquired James Harden in Houston

And then after Phila was Decimated by the Andrew Bynum deal - Every bit as bad as the Nets/Celtics trade

And w/ Nothing to work with made some of the greatest trades in recent years that led Directly to Simmons & Markelle Fultz

When he drafted Embiid & Saric in 2014 Every talking head claimed it was the Worst Draft in NBA History - so let's Stop w/ the Embiid fell in his lap in 2014

B/c you are engaging in revisionist histroy - I'm a Lakers fan & I'd LUV to trade places w/ Phila - he cleaned out a garbage team, got their cap in order & now they are really the OInly team w/ cap space & great young players who can add a Tier 1 free agent

And Bryan Colangelo is responsible for NONE of that

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Hinkie acquired James Harden in Houston

And then after Phila was Decimated by the Andrew Bynum deal - Every bit as bad as the Nets/Celtics trade

And w/ Nothing to work with made some of the greatest trades in recent years that led Directly to Simmons & Markelle Fultz

When he drafted Embiid & Saric in 2014 Every talking head claimed it was the Worst Draft in NBA History - so let's Stop w/ the Embiid fell in his lap in 2014

B/c you are engaging in revisionist histroy - I'm a Lakers fan & I'd LUV to trade places w/ Phila - he cleaned out a garbage team, got their cap in order & now they are really the OInly team w/ cap space & great young players who can add a Tier 1 free agent

And Bryan Colangelo is responsible for NONE of that

Hinkie's philosophy was the same in Houston as it was in Phila & it was a Very simple one: Until you have a Hall of Fame level Super Star you have Nothing on which to even start building - he clearly stated there are 3 ways to acquire that Super Star Draft, Trade or Free Agency but in Phila No one was singing as a free agent & they had Nothing to trade so the Draft was the Only option

But now your telling me you'd rather have Jru Holiday than Simmons, Embiid & Fultz and that he's smart enough to land those 3 studs in 4 years when he was Missing 2 - traded 1st round picks when he took over but he's Not smart enough to fill a team out w/ vets & role players

Yea Ok

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