[OhCanada-Participant]

 The only person that can save Sacramento is. Sam Hinkie! Bring him in as a senior advisor or whatever you wann a call it and let the assets tank begin. They have gotten off to a great start with Papagiannis and Labissiere. I’m sure Sacramento fans would be all for a 3-5 year Hinkie tank, right?

[SubZeroParticipant]

Don’t forget Malachi Richardson. They just need to trade Cousins, get some assets and draft picks in return, and let their young guys develop. To go forward, they’ll probably have to take a few steps back

[SubZeroParticipant]

Don’t forget Malachi Richardson. They just need to trade Cousins, get some assets and draft picks in return, and let their young guys develop. To go forward, they’ll probably have to take a few steps back

[nill650Participant]

 yeah Richardson face went very sour when he found out he was going to the worst organization in the NBA . Career suicide.

McClemore for example is getting no better than college…damn shame for him in fact the system there is so bad he looks like a bust compared to his days at KU coaching staff is garbage, ownership is garbage and the managment still has’nt had the nuts to get rid of the extremely talented but extremely childish lockeroom headcase

 

[nill650Participant]

 yeah Richardson face went very sour when he found out he was going to the worst organization in the NBA . Career suicide.

McClemore for example is getting no better than college…damn shame for him in fact the system there is so bad he looks like a bust compared to his days at KU coaching staff is garbage, ownership is garbage and the managment still has’nt had the nuts to get rid of the extremely talented but extremely childish lockeroom headcase

 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Sacramento would be smart to trade away Cousins any other assests for picks and do a major complete rebuild. No major free agents will sign there to play in that mess with Boogie. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Sacramento would be smart to trade away Cousins any other assests for picks and do a major complete rebuild. No major free agents will sign there to play in that mess with Boogie. 

[nill650Participant]

 just trading cousins would be a huge improvement to lockeroom. But the org sucks so I am not sure they would’nt just get worse and never get better, but they have to start somewhere. I know they should sell the team to seatle

[nill650Participant]

 just trading cousins would be a huge improvement to lockeroom. But the org sucks so I am not sure they would’nt just get worse and never get better, but they have to start somewhere. I know they should sell the team to seatle

[The GoatParticipant]

Yep, their roster is balls. They need the kids to develop before they are any chance. I’d be going the Philly route, stockpiling draft picks and then calling Boston offering Boogie. I’d be asking for everything Brooklyn owes them from now on, plus Marcus Smart plus another young kid they have. 

If they can get two high picks next year, Smart and then have Papa, WCS and Skal to develop, at least they are on the path. They are one Boogie injury or mental episode away from being an extra few years behind where they are now, which is already at least 3 years behind.

 

 

 

 

 

[The GoatParticipant]

Yep, their roster is balls. They need the kids to develop before they are any chance. I’d be going the Philly route, stockpiling draft picks and then calling Boston offering Boogie. I’d be asking for everything Brooklyn owes them from now on, plus Marcus Smart plus another young kid they have. 

If they can get two high picks next year, Smart and then have Papa, WCS and Skal to develop, at least they are on the path. They are one Boogie injury or mental episode away from being an extra few years behind where they are now, which is already at least 3 years behind.

 

 

 

 

 

[HayatoKanzaki1Participant]

 I’d target RJ Hunter for the other young kid. He’d be nice for the Kings off the bench.

[HayatoKanzaki1Participant]

 I’d target RJ Hunter for the other young kid. He’d be nice for the Kings off the bench.

[nill650Participant]

 The only way that roster gets improved is if the ownership changes…and nobody is buying that mess.

[nill650Participant]

 The only way that roster gets improved is if the ownership changes…and nobody is buying that mess.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 then if the Lakers sign Whiteside………… maybe they can bring in DeRozan too………. or maybe Boogie at PF & Whiteside at Center gives them a real shot at Durant – Maybe

But Clarkson & DeRozan in the backcourt —— with Cousins & Whiteside up front

Wow that’s a Really good team that can compete right away ——–

If that’s a no go I also Love the play for the Celtics treasure chest of Nets picks plus a young player or two for Boogie Cousins —– that’s a win – win for Both teams

 

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 then if the Lakers sign Whiteside………… maybe they can bring in DeRozan too………. or maybe Boogie at PF & Whiteside at Center gives them a real shot at Durant – Maybe

But Clarkson & DeRozan in the backcourt —— with Cousins & Whiteside up front

Wow that’s a Really good team that can compete right away ——–

If that’s a no go I also Love the play for the Celtics treasure chest of Nets picks plus a young player or two for Boogie Cousins —– that’s a win – win for Both teams

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Im not sure if its going to be Sacramento, but Hinkie wont be out of a job for long.

Hes actually made it easier for other teams to do a Philly style tank since its already been done before and wont have the shock value. 

The real problem exists if 3 or 4 teams do it simultaneously, because the race to the bottom gets more intense and teams will have to win between 0 and 5 games to assure themselves the best lottery odds.

[Hype Machine]

Im not sure if its going to be Sacramento, but Hinkie wont be out of a job for long.

Hes actually made it easier for other teams to do a Philly style tank since its already been done before and wont have the shock value. 

The real problem exists if 3 or 4 teams do it simultaneously, because the race to the bottom gets more intense and teams will have to win between 0 and 5 games to assure themselves the best lottery odds.

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

So I’m pretty sure they’re not going to be moving Cousins. Not saying they shouldn’t, but just don’t see it happening this offseason. 

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

So I’m pretty sure they’re not going to be moving Cousins. Not saying they shouldn’t, but just don’t see it happening this offseason. 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 He was given a mandate by Sixers’ ownership b/c the Bynum trade was such a spectacular flame out & he completely embarrassed that organization during the 2012 season he missed by releasing Bowling Videos & Salsa Dancing Videos.

I’m a Lakers fan & I could not believe we were able to find a team to go "All In" on Bynum so we could get Howard – of course it ended up Wrecking Both franchises but at the time I was shocked b/c even though Bynum had been rated #11 overall by espn Top 100 & the #2 Center behind Only Dwight Howard, Lakers fans viewed Bynum always as a Ticking Time Bomb.

The Sixers were Decimated in that Trade & 10 months later when it was clear that Bynum would Never play for Phila & the realization hit that Phila gave away Two NBA starters & THREE of their next Six #1 picks for nothing, the old GM, Doug Collins, promptly quit one month before the 2013 Draft.

What people seem to forget about that entire time period is that as Orlando, Denver, Philadelphia & the Lakers were completing that Blockbuster trade in the Summer of 2012, the Golden State Warriors had just completed Year 4 – FOUR – of their Blatant Tanking with a 23 win Season.

IMHO what Golden State did was So much worse than what Phila did b/c Golden State decided after the 2008 season to Dismantle a 50 win team w/ Several very good NBA players – THREE 20 point per game scorers Under 30: Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson & Monte Ellis – along w/ Al Harrington led Golden State to 48 wins & what looked like years of competetive Basketball ahead.

But Golden State let Baron Davis Walk in Free Agency (they refused to even make him an offer) – signaling to Harrington & Jackson that they were Not serious about winning & those players promptly forced their way out (which is what Management wanted).

 Just One year later the Warriors dropped to 29 wins. then 26 wins, then 36 & finally 23 wins. In that final year, The Warriors famously traded Monte Ellis mid way thru the season to Ensure they would have a good chance to stay in the Top 7 of the Draft (b/c they owed their pick to Portland but it was top 7 protected) & then in a trade w/ the Brooklyn Nets, the Warriors took on Troy Murphy’s $13 Million contract in exchange for a Nets 2nd round pick —- that pick turned into Draymond Green.

I know the Warriors teams & the losses were not as bad as the Sixers – but the Sixers fell into that Hole by taking a major gamble in the hopes of Winning – remember weeks before the Bynum Trade the Sixers benefitted from the Bulls Misery when Derrick Rose suffered his FIRST knee injury against them in the 1st round of the Eastern Conference playoffs. The Sixers Miraculously beat the Bulls after Jokim Naoh landed on the injury list as well.

That Sixers team featuring a core of Andre Igudola, Jru Holiday & Thad Young took what remained of the Boston’s Celtics "Big Three" 2008 Championship team to 7 games before finally losing ONLY one Win short of meeting Lebron James & the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference Finals. After that Playoff Run, the Sixers decided to gamble on Bynum —– the Sixers Knew they could Never get a Super Star Free Agent to sign there & they were too good to land a Top 3 or even Top 10 pick so they took a chance & they were Decimated.

Sorry for the long trip down memory lane, but those are the circumstances that brought Hinkie to Phila & he was Just following orders to tear the Franchise down to the studs & "Rebuild" —– many national journalists believed that Hinkie was Directed by New Sixers Ownership to strip the Franchise of All long term contracts in order to increase the Value for a Quick Sale —-

 But as it turns out, Hinkie was simply doing what Golden State & Seattle & the Clippers & the Hawks & Cleveland (post Lebron – did Everyone Forget 3 – #1 picks in 4 Drafts!) & Many other teams have done – take advantage of the very System that the NBA foolishly Built. 

Look at the Nets trade w/ Golden State that produced Draymond & tell me that Hinkie’s deal with Sacramento Kings’ GM Vlade Divac is Any different??? Divac – Desperate for Cap relief offered Hinkie pick swaps in 2016 & 2017 plus 2015 #8 Lotteyr pick Nik Stauskus Plus 2019 #1 pick & in exchange Hinkie took on the Salaries of Two players who were signed to Guarenteed deals w/ the Kings.

Just like Billie King w/ the Nets off loading Troy Murphy’s $Millions to Golden State in exchange for a pick —- Hinkie kept the Sixers Cap Space low so he could Function as a Bank absorbing Debt from Cap strapped teams w/ GM’s who needed to make a splash & sign a Free Agent NAME to take heat from fans off. Is this crazy??? Sure but what does Divac care – he won’t be the GM in 2019 just like Billy King is Not the Nets GM now.

My Lakers have Blatantly Tanked the last 2 years & I am Thrilled b/c I believe we have Two Cornerstone pieces in D’Lo Russell & Brandon Ingram. I am hoping we can sign Whiteside but if we do not get him or some other Big time Free Agent, I will be Perfectly fine with Tanking a 3rd year in a row so we can Keep our 2017 #1 pick & hold off Phila from collecting (on a Similar trade with Milwaukee) our pick in 2018 when our Draft Protections finally end —- but by then I am Praying we can add Harry Giles or Josh Jackson to our Core & those 3 would be an Incredible core that would attract other Free Agents to fill out our team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[benny15Participant]

 you do realise that the warriors did not get 50 wins in 2008 and dint even make the post-season right? and i have no problem with the dubs passing on bringing back baron davis on a franchise player’s salary when his health wasnt a question anymore if he would get hurt again but when. 

contrary to what you mentioned regarding stephen jackson feeling that the dubs werent serious about winning, he signed a 3 year extension even after they let davis go. harrington was then traded for jamaal crawford in order to replace the back court production of baron davis. yes the wins dropped by 19 games but it wasnt because they blatantly wanted to throw away the season. don nelsons up tempo small ball all offense style of play was just figured out already and teams scored so easily  that it dint matter that much how much the dubs scored on the other end. 

i do agree that golden state tanked post all-star of the 2012 season in order to retain their top 7 protected pick. that ellis trade had 4 effects that helped the warriors though and keeping the pick was just one of them. it also gave them chance at an above average center in the league since Biedrins sure dint look like it anymore. it also got them away from using 2 undersized shooting guards in their starting back-court. and lastly, it was part 1 of trading their current core for something new and a change of direction they wanted to go with. part 2 of that was trading stephen jackson who was one of their top 3 players as well, arguably their best.

so no, i dont think hinkie did the same thing as the warriors. golden state didnt intentionally be bad for 3 full seasons. they dint intetionally try to bring out a team filled with d-league players over NBA established ones. they didnt draft injured players knowing they wont be able to play right away in order to help rack up the Ls. did hinkie have logic in doing these things? yes he did. did he have a plan, yes he did. did it bear fruit, possibly. did anyone blatanty try to rack as many losses in multiple seasons to be historically bad in order to get some top picks in multiple years, i dont think so. 

even when the clippers were bad, they dint do it to try and be bad, they just dint have a good culture and their owner cared more about making money than racking up wins, any warrior fan under the chris cohan era knows how that felt. theres a difference between trying to be bad and just being bad even though you try to win. and depends on who you ask, some might say the latter is worse. 

 

[benny15Participant]

 you do realise that the warriors did not get 50 wins in 2008 and dint even make the post-season right? and i have no problem with the dubs passing on bringing back baron davis on a franchise player’s salary when his health wasnt a question anymore if he would get hurt again but when. 

contrary to what you mentioned regarding stephen jackson feeling that the dubs werent serious about winning, he signed a 3 year extension even after they let davis go. harrington was then traded for jamaal crawford in order to replace the back court production of baron davis. yes the wins dropped by 19 games but it wasnt because they blatantly wanted to throw away the season. don nelsons up tempo small ball all offense style of play was just figured out already and teams scored so easily  that it dint matter that much how much the dubs scored on the other end. 

i do agree that golden state tanked post all-star of the 2012 season in order to retain their top 7 protected pick. that ellis trade had 4 effects that helped the warriors though and keeping the pick was just one of them. it also gave them chance at an above average center in the league since Biedrins sure dint look like it anymore. it also got them away from using 2 undersized shooting guards in their starting back-court. and lastly, it was part 1 of trading their current core for something new and a change of direction they wanted to go with. part 2 of that was trading stephen jackson who was one of their top 3 players as well, arguably their best.

so no, i dont think hinkie did the same thing as the warriors. golden state didnt intentionally be bad for 3 full seasons. they dint intetionally try to bring out a team filled with d-league players over NBA established ones. they didnt draft injured players knowing they wont be able to play right away in order to help rack up the Ls. did hinkie have logic in doing these things? yes he did. did he have a plan, yes he did. did it bear fruit, possibly. did anyone blatanty try to rack as many losses in multiple seasons to be historically bad in order to get some top picks in multiple years, i dont think so. 

even when the clippers were bad, they dint do it to try and be bad, they just dint have a good culture and their owner cared more about making money than racking up wins, any warrior fan under the chris cohan era knows how that felt. theres a difference between trying to be bad and just being bad even though you try to win. and depends on who you ask, some might say the latter is worse. 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 He was given a mandate by Sixers’ ownership b/c the Bynum trade was such a spectacular flame out & he completely embarrassed that organization during the 2012 season he missed by releasing Bowling Videos & Salsa Dancing Videos.

I’m a Lakers fan & I could not believe we were able to find a team to go "All In" on Bynum so we could get Howard – of course it ended up Wrecking Both franchises but at the time I was shocked b/c even though Bynum had been rated #11 overall by espn Top 100 & the #2 Center behind Only Dwight Howard, Lakers fans viewed Bynum always as a Ticking Time Bomb.

The Sixers were Decimated in that Trade & 10 months later when it was clear that Bynum would Never play for Phila & the realization hit that Phila gave away Two NBA starters & THREE of their next Six #1 picks for nothing, the old GM, Doug Collins, promptly quit one month before the 2013 Draft.

What people seem to forget about that entire time period is that as Orlando, Denver, Philadelphia & the Lakers were completing that Blockbuster trade in the Summer of 2012, the Golden State Warriors had just completed Year 4 – FOUR – of their Blatant Tanking with a 23 win Season.

IMHO what Golden State did was So much worse than what Phila did b/c Golden State decided after the 2008 season to Dismantle a 50 win team w/ Several very good NBA players – THREE 20 point per game scorers Under 30: Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson & Monte Ellis – along w/ Al Harrington led Golden State to 48 wins & what looked like years of competetive Basketball ahead.

But Golden State let Baron Davis Walk in Free Agency (they refused to even make him an offer) – signaling to Harrington & Jackson that they were Not serious about winning & those players promptly forced their way out (which is what Management wanted).

 Just One year later the Warriors dropped to 29 wins. then 26 wins, then 36 & finally 23 wins. In that final year, The Warriors famously traded Monte Ellis mid way thru the season to Ensure they would have a good chance to stay in the Top 7 of the Draft (b/c they owed their pick to Portland but it was top 7 protected) & then in a trade w/ the Brooklyn Nets, the Warriors took on Troy Murphy’s $13 Million contract in exchange for a Nets 2nd round pick —- that pick turned into Draymond Green.

I know the Warriors teams & the losses were not as bad as the Sixers – but the Sixers fell into that Hole by taking a major gamble in the hopes of Winning – remember weeks before the Bynum Trade the Sixers benefitted from the Bulls Misery when Derrick Rose suffered his FIRST knee injury against them in the 1st round of the Eastern Conference playoffs. The Sixers Miraculously beat the Bulls after Jokim Naoh landed on the injury list as well.

That Sixers team featuring a core of Andre Igudola, Jru Holiday & Thad Young took what remained of the Boston’s Celtics "Big Three" 2008 Championship team to 7 games before finally losing ONLY one Win short of meeting Lebron James & the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference Finals. After that Playoff Run, the Sixers decided to gamble on Bynum —– the Sixers Knew they could Never get a Super Star Free Agent to sign there & they were too good to land a Top 3 or even Top 10 pick so they took a chance & they were Decimated.

Sorry for the long trip down memory lane, but those are the circumstances that brought Hinkie to Phila & he was Just following orders to tear the Franchise down to the studs & "Rebuild" —– many national journalists believed that Hinkie was Directed by New Sixers Ownership to strip the Franchise of All long term contracts in order to increase the Value for a Quick Sale —-

 But as it turns out, Hinkie was simply doing what Golden State & Seattle & the Clippers & the Hawks & Cleveland (post Lebron – did Everyone Forget 3 – #1 picks in 4 Drafts!) & Many other teams have done – take advantage of the very System that the NBA foolishly Built. 

Look at the Nets trade w/ Golden State that produced Draymond & tell me that Hinkie’s deal with Sacramento Kings’ GM Vlade Divac is Any different??? Divac – Desperate for Cap relief offered Hinkie pick swaps in 2016 & 2017 plus 2015 #8 Lotteyr pick Nik Stauskus Plus 2019 #1 pick & in exchange Hinkie took on the Salaries of Two players who were signed to Guarenteed deals w/ the Kings.

Just like Billie King w/ the Nets off loading Troy Murphy’s $Millions to Golden State in exchange for a pick —- Hinkie kept the Sixers Cap Space low so he could Function as a Bank absorbing Debt from Cap strapped teams w/ GM’s who needed to make a splash & sign a Free Agent NAME to take heat from fans off. Is this crazy??? Sure but what does Divac care – he won’t be the GM in 2019 just like Billy King is Not the Nets GM now.

My Lakers have Blatantly Tanked the last 2 years & I am Thrilled b/c I believe we have Two Cornerstone pieces in D’Lo Russell & Brandon Ingram. I am hoping we can sign Whiteside but if we do not get him or some other Big time Free Agent, I will be Perfectly fine with Tanking a 3rd year in a row so we can Keep our 2017 #1 pick & hold off Phila from collecting (on a Similar trade with Milwaukee) our pick in 2018 when our Draft Protections finally end —- but by then I am Praying we can add Harry Giles or Josh Jackson to our Core & those 3 would be an Incredible core that would attract other Free Agents to fill out our team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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