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  • #66764
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    Zouldiers
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     YES. He truly deserves this award. What more to say. Average a triple double. 42 triple doubles and also a Shaqtin MVP. Congrats to Beastbrook.

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  • #1102020
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    Chewy
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     but how could you NOT give it to someone who averaged a triple double? This new open-no handcheck-small ball-3 point shooting NBA is going to break the record book in the next few years.

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  • #1102022
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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     First MVP from a team that won less than 50 games since 1982 ( not counting lockout seasons). And well-deserved. When people think of the 2017 season 10 years from now, Westbrook will be the first player that will come to mind. 

    Is what Westbrook did this year an ideal model for team success? Probably not. Is it something he can continue to keep up for the foreseeable future? Most likely no. However, for this one season at least he was completely unleashed and he basically redefined the limits of what we all thought was possible on a basketball court. Now hopefully the thunder can figure out a way to surround him with more talent before he spontaneously combusts.

     

     

     

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  • #1102026
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    Miko4rm206
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     Westbrook gets His Mvp. Kd gets his Ring. Everybody is Happy : )

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  • #1102028
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    AwardedBaller
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     The prophecy has been fulfilled 

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  • #1102029
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    SeattleSuperChronics
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     The MVP selection is clearly flawed. He got a ton of fake triple double (team mates letting him get the rebound)…how can you be considered an MVP when your selfish play made KD leave town. He had the best season, yes. MVP, no.

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    • #1102067
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      SubZero
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      We had one of, if not the, biggest dropoffs in the league when he went out of the game. Without him, our offense was .2 points better than Brooklyn. That in and of itself is a strong case for MVP. All Westbrook haters arguments is based on stuff they can’t prove and regurgitated opinions like he tells his big guys to let him get rebounds and he somehow hunts for assists while also being a ball hog. The fact is we would’ve been a bottom 3 team without him, he hit game winner after game tying shot after game winner all season, and yes, the triple doubles (although if he got 30 9 and 9 every game he’d still deserve it)

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  • #1102032
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    cohenbc1
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    This was just mindless stat worship. He had a historically great season, I agree. But I don’t see how you can give MVP to a guy when everybody knows he’s not in play for a championship. The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets and Cavs were simply playing the game at a higher level than OKC could come close to matching. MVP has to come from one of them.

     

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    • #1102034
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      A Lil English
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      100% agree with you. However I’m happy to look at this as another FU to the media. Many of them would have us believing basic stats are the be-all and end all for a season and rings are the be-all and end all for a career.

      Well KD made a move to get him a ring and Russ made him moves to get MVP stats. Give the people what they want!

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    • #1102043
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      Chewy
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       for a championship. They lost 4-1. By your standards the only availible MVP canidates are Curry, KD, Green, and Thompson.

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      • #1102107
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        cohenbc1
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         Actually, I do think the Warriors were so dominant, start to finish, that the MVP should have come from them.

        I get your point about the 4-1 finals, but we didn’t know that would be the result until it happened. At any rate, for Steph, LeBron and Kawhi, anaything less than a championship meant the season was a disappointment. That means they played with a bigger burden on their shoulders than Westbrook did — I think that should matter.

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        • #1102126
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          SubZero
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          Wouldn’t the fact that they were so dominant lessen each of their cases for MVP? Considering the fact that you take 1 of the 4 out and they’re still in the Finals, that is pretty much the opposite of the meaning of the word valuable

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  • #1102044
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    HobbyOG
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     I wonder if James Harden game against the Spurs in the PO’s, played terrible and then going to the club aftewards hurt his stock with voters. 

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    • #1102046
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      Zouldiers
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       Nah, the voting ended before the 2nd round of the playoffs or midway to the 1st round so this was strictly voted thorugh their regular season performance. Anyways, this should give Harde the motivation he needs to win the MVP next season.

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  • #1102059
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    Memphis Madness
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     Harden did the same thing Russ did all year but put up slightly inferior stats.

    Kawhi Leonard had a case, but he kinda flew under the hype radar.

    He’s got 2 DPOY’s and a Finals MVP and looks to be a top 3 MVP candidate next year.  Not gonna feel sorry for him…

    Kawhi had a rough night (lol), losing out on the DPOY 3peat, but either Dray or Gobert would have been great picks.

    I can see Kawhi tearing through the league next year in a Jordan-esque revenge beast mode.

    IF they can get a guy like Chris Paul (and maybe they need ANOTHER star too), I can see Kawhi winning the triple crown next year — MVP, DPOY, and Finals MVP.  

    Yeah, I have Kawhi as my MVP front runner for next year, although Kevin Durant (if he wants to be) can turn himself into the front runner.  I don’t see Westbrook going back to back, unless the Thunder win something like 55 games (or more).  Harden might fall back a bit, if the Rockets end up as more of a 4th or 5th seed… 

    I think LeBron makes one more run at an MVP trophy.  He might ALSO be in revenge mode (like Kawhi).

    Steph Curry will probably be a top 5-10 MVP pick.  He could ALSO make a real run at the award but I think he might turn the regular season go-to option/star to KD.  I think we can see Steph being even more of a distributor, flashy passer, fast break initiator, help rebounder, steals artist, and a better one-on-one defender.  Dray needs more shots (or at least touches).  Same with Klay.  KD is THE BEST player in basketball right now (based on the Finals).  I can see Steph going for 25 and 10.  What is his career high in assists?  Could also get you 5 boards, a few steals… 

    KD could easily put up 32, 8, and 4.  While leading the team in blocks… 

    I think Kawhi Leonard goes for something like that.  Maybe 33, 8.5. and 4.5 with more combined steals and blocks than anyone in the league.

    Can’t rule out Giannis.  

    I can see the Bucks having a 2nd round and out year at worst, probably a conference finals appearance at best.  

    The Bucks can roll out some Mega Freak lineups with Giannis, Thon, and Jabari being the backbone of a team that also includes ROY Malcolm Brogdon, Delly, Tony Snell, Kris Middleton, and rookie Sindarius Thornwell.  I think John Henson is still on the team, too.

    Your top 5 MVP rankings for next year could be something like: Kawhi, KD, Anthony Davis, LeBron, and either Giannis or Steph.  

    OUTSIDE CHANCE of Draymond Green going FULL ANTHONY BOWIE next year, averaging 10-10-10.  HE might be the guy who runs the table, and gets MVP, DPOY, and Finals MVP.  

    Could have an even more special year for the Warriors next year as 70-75 wins looks in the bag.  

    Could take home the MVP (KD, Steph, Dray), DPOY (Dray, Klay, KD), and Finals MVP (Big Four).  

    Now, if Jordan Bell takes home ROY I think I am gonna cry…

    Although if he gets 20-25 minutes a night in favorable matchups and they let him play his game, I think he could end up on the All Rookie 2nd team (or at least get some votes).

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1102061
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    Hitster
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    MVP is effectively the best player in the league that season or the best player on one of the top couple of teams. This time it was the former, I fully agree that Russ deserved it.

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  • #1102068
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     That being said, with Russ averaging a triple double for the ENTIRE SEASON, and LeBron averaging a triple double in the Finals, I don’t care if I EVER see a triple double again…

    Triple doubles are probably overrated/overbought right now.

    Gimme some 5×5’s though!  That means you are a FREAK (or at least a stat hog) on BOTH sides of the ball!

    What if LeBron or Harden or Giannis averages a trip dub next year?  So what!  Been done!

    Gimme a guy that averages a 5×5!  

    If Giannis can give us 23, 7, 6, 5, and 5 a night then HE is the MVP — AUTOMATICALLY!

    What if Draymond Green goes for 11, 8, 8, 5, and 5 on a 76-6 Warriors team, even if he is only the fifth best scorer (or maybe 6th behind Pat McCaw) on his OWN team?  So what?  HE is your MVP!

    If I were the Warriors, I would actually try to focus on that… move away a bit from Iggy even if they do resign him, give McCaw more minutes and more touches, especially in ALCATRAZ LINEUPS (death row)… get Klay’s touches back up.  Post him up some, too.  Let Steph try to get 10 assists a night.  Work McGee and Jordan Bell into the lineup more.  Get them some more touches on the block… give Draymond the keys for at least one game a week.  Let him go Full Showtime.  Run the offense through him, let him handle the ball, throw alley-oops, and post up/drive to the hole.  

    NO WAY the Cavs can beat them next year, if we can get some FULL DRAYMOND on both offense and defense.  Turn Dray into a younger version of LeBron (which he can do).  Between him, KD, Klay, and Steph’s steals/ball hawking, along with McGee/Bell on the inside as rim protectors, oh, plus McCaw, and maybe Matt Barnes off the bench, I am not even sure that the Warriors need much of Iggy next year.  Even if they sign him, they should probably limit his minutes more (10-15 a night), saving him for the Spurs and the Cavs.  Better to leave some money on the table to reup McCaw, resign Jordan Bell in a bit, and keep a few more of the role player guys like Livingston (ideal backup point guard in limited minutes), David West (one of the best two-way old school backup power forwards in the business), and Javale McGee (does what he does and does it well).  If they resign Iggy on the cheap, GREAT.  Or, a one year deal.  If not, split up the Iggy money and give it to two veteran guys (like Matt Barnes and maybe a guy like Dahntay Jones.  Vince Carter?), plus enough money to get those two-way D Leaguers.  Maybe they can bring in some old Heatles like Birdman, Joel Anthony, Mario Chalmers, James Jones, and Mike Miller to round out the bench.  Probably don’t wanna play them 20 minutes a night — or even 15 — but 5 to 10 minutes a night each with one night off a week, can be pretty usefull.  Solid, veteran role player guys who don’t need a ton of shots.  If they need a veteran wing to replace BOTH Iggy AND Matt Barnes, while leaving defense up to McCaw, Jordan Bell, Pachulia and then all those starters, then Mike Miller could be an effective option.  Great spot up shooter and floor spacer.  Smart passer.  Can still handle the ball a bit.  Probably similar to Matt Barnes now on defense.  Better at the 2 or the 3, but you can see him playing some really small ball 5. You can probably throw him out there with the Big Four (as long as you can hide him on defense) and be really good in a Death Lineup Variation for 5-10 minutes…

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1102071
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    mcbailey
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    Westbrook wasn’t undeserving by any means, but I don’t think it was as clear-cut as people think.

     

    Westbrook: 31.6 PPG, 10.4 APG, 10.7 RPG

    Harden: 29.1 PPG, 11.2 APG, 8.1 RPG

     

     

    Frankly, I don’t value those two rebounds per game very highly, especially from a guard. They both had remarkable years and it’s a shame one of them had to lose.

     

     

     

     

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  • #1102095
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    nill650
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     westbrook had 69 1st place votes to Hardens 22. I think that pretty much sums it up for all those who think he wasn’t deserving of the award.

     

    Leo had 9

    Lebron had 1

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  • #1102098
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    Tyrober
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     It would have been ridiculous for Westbrook to average a triple double and not get it. Very happy for him and definitely well deserved.

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  • #1102100
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    OhCanada-
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    Harden just seems destined to be the runner up MVP throughout his career. Id say poor guy but in reality hes actually quite rich. Very rich indeed.

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