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Rule changes that I believe the NBA should add and get rid of

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Rule changes that I believe the NBA should add and get rid of

I believe that the NBA should ban the block/charge call beause that's not a defensive play and the injury risk. I say it's not a defensive play because I view defensive plays at the rim is players going for the ball, not someone that either just stand there to get a charge call or run in their at the last second to get that call. This is not saying all block/charge calls should get banned, the one's on the perimeter shouldn't, if you are in good defenisve position on the perrimeter you should have your right to space. The block/charge play on the perimeter is totally different that it is in the paint. The play in the paint causes many injury concerns in both parties and the player that setting the charge is not making a defensive play.

I like the overseas rule when if you get a offensive rebound the shot clock doesn't reset to 24 seconds, it resit to like 14 seconds. I like that rule because it allows more possessions and that it speed up the offense. I don't really enjoy teams get a offensive rebound and just hold the ball and set up their offense. Just resetting it to 14 seconds would speed up the offensive possession and not allow the offensive team to stall and hold to the ball for the entire 24 seconds.

And I believe the NBA should ban,when the game is in play, timeouts and substitutions. This rule comes from overseas as well. This allows the players to control the game more and teams/players can't get bailed out by coaches and themselves when they are in a jam on the court.

Thoughts and what changes you believe the NBA should add or get rid of?


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Hmm. Casey. I feel like

Hmm. Casey. I feel like whatever I post as a reply you are going to start an argument that's probally why others didn't contribute. Just keep in mind I don't really care that much.

I think getting rid of the charge block has too much risk to change the game. Who knows how players respond. The game is coached from certain principles which the game today is losing. Taking a charge is nearly extinct nowadays anyways. To abolish the rule would be encouraging less grit in the game which I'm not for. I want more Bruce Bowens and Shane Barriers but it seems like we are destined to get more offensive players scaredof hardwork and injuries.

Also this may result in more injuries. The man taking charges is supposed to prevent guys from recklessly charging through the lane and also the charge box (restricted zone/linen) is supposed to prevent guys from standing under the rim (restrictd zone). On the flipside defensive players would have no possible positioning rights left. All contact would then result in free throws as the charge is basically the only foul preventing every single play Westbrook, Harden, or Derozan puts the ball on the Deck resulting in FT's. The charge is too big of a defensive right and its there for a reason.

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Although I agree that usually

Although I agree that usually the charge sucks and don't like when big guys are just choosing to stand there instead of actually try to stop the ball, I also agree that we're probably too far into it to take it out of the game because it would change so much.

But taking charges is extinct? Really? When in the league have you seen more Centers taking charges from Point Guards and other guys half their size? When have you seen guys more often on the perimeter just jump in front of someone and let themselves get run over? The past few years it's seemed like taking charges is at an all time high

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The charge is a major part of

The charge is a major part of defensive strategy at this point. I was at a high school game last week and I saw more offensive fouls called than I can ever recall at that level.

Refs seem not to know how to call it which is the major problem. Many are judgement calls but I don't know how many times I have seen somebody slide over late as can and barely get his heels right outside the restircted area and get the call.

I personally always hated the charge and that also all comes back to officiating. I was on my way to third grade playing my first organized basketball in an outdoor summer league and I took a charge clear as day. I am so set it is sad....I get contact go down..elbows all skun up and doesn't ref call a block. From that day on I was a shot blocker. It is the much cooler play and the refs don't come into play as much. It all worked out because I was a pretty outstanding as a shot blocker due to my timing, awareness and vertical despite being under 6 feet tall.

That being said you can't really get rid of the charge....how are you going to stop someone like LeBron if he can just barrell into the paint every player?

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You feel that way. I see it as more as opening a dialogue to discuss disagreements or agreements, not strating "arguments". This is what this site is for. But, whatever/ If you don't want me to reply under another reply then cool.

All im saying is just standing under the basket at the last minute is more reckless than driving to the basketball/ You have the oppotunity to go up and challenge the shot, but the charge basically undercuts the player from mid air and could hurt a player really bad. They could go up and use the Roy Hibbert rule. If you cannot make a real basketball play under the rim then why are you playing. Older players always hate on the rule and believe that players should go for the block shot, not the charge anyway. You still have legal grounds on the perimeter and entitled to you space on the perimeter.

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I do some whistleblowing for

I do some whistleblowing for my former school and the charge/block is just impossible to call. Somebody is always upset and I never T any of the kids up after that play becaue Im not sure if Im right. To me I always give the defensive player benefit of the doubt as long as his feet are planted. Offensive player always gets called charge if I see extension from the off ball hand, lowered shoulder, closed eyes, head looking down.

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So basically

by taking away charges, what you want is Slamball without the trampolines. A bunch of world class athletes running and jumping wildly at the rim. Defenders already have to be vertical to block and now you want to take away their right to be inbetween their man and the basket?

What's the point in playing basketball if you can't play defense?!

How about players actually have to be basketball players instead of just tall and athletic? I'd like to see that more. How about players learn a pull up jumpshot? How about players learn floaters and euro steps? The NBA is already tainted with superstar calls and "The Handcheck Rule" that made playing defense without fouling 2x harder.

Real basketball fans want to see offense and defense.

Or maybe the NBA can just put together 82 all star games where players run up and down the court jacking up 3s and not touching each other. The away team can wear Generals jerseys and the home team can wear Globetrotter jerseys... wait I think someone else is already doing that...

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Never knew that advocates for

Never knew that advocates for a play that's not really making a play on the ball. Instead of running into a spot and hoping for a charge, which rarely happens (the offensive player typically gets all the block/charge anyways), go up to the ball and make a play for the ball.

I never said all block/charge calls should be taken away, just said the ones in the paint should be taken away. Basically extending the restricted area. Players are entitled to there right to space, but just putting yourself in the way of offensive players while protecting your junk is not a defensive play.

Drawing a charge 2 feet from the rim is not a defensive play, sorry. You not making a play for the ball and the main objective is to just throw your body in front of offensive players in the last minute. The offensive player get's the call nearly 77% of the time.

Back in the day, like most like to use, always go up for the layup/dunk and not go run and take a Duke charge and hop for the offensive foul. Every older player advocates that they hate how players just go for the charge and not go for the block shots.

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Back in the day

people were allowed to play defense on the perimeter. Now they are not allowed to handcheck. So players can get to the lane easier than ever in NBA history and you want to make scoring at the rim easier than ever in NBA history. The charge is and always has been a legitmate way to play defense. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. If you get inbetween the ball handler and the basket and he chooses to go through you instead of making a basketball play to go around or shoot over you- it should be a foul on him.

If I wanted to watch athletes with low skills run people over, I'd watch football. Basketball players, at any level, should not be allowed to run through people on the way to the basket. They should have to develop skills needed to beat a player to the basket.

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How about not just hoping for an offensive foul and jump up and play defense. Just because you think it's legitimate does not mean I have to believe it's legitimate. The block/charge gets rewarded to the offensive player majority of the time, so that stratergy is not even effective. I view making a play on the ball when you in the paint is the only true defensive play.

We have to agree to disagree with this. The refs never seem to gets it right, it cause health concerns, and you not making a play on the ball. If you don't want nobody scoring at the rim, GO UP FOR THE BALL AND TRY TO BLOCK THE SHOT. We see alot of foul calls because nobody really draws charges anyway.

Drawing a charge is not a skill, it never would be a skill. It just throwing your body recklessly around and hoping that the ref give you the call. which is rarely. And to your quote "they should learn how to develop skills to beat players to the basket", what type of quote is that. People drawing a charge does not just wait in the paint for 5 secs, they come out of nowhere at the last second and try to get the call. There's no skill in trying to avoid a reckless player throwing their body at you for a charge call. It's weak defense. Good defense is going up with the offensive player and if you go up vertically you can draw an offensive foul, force a miss shot, or block a shot. That's good defense.

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and to me

the whole reason the charge defense was used is to stop offensive players from creating the reckless, dangerous plays where players can get hurt.

There are times where defenders slide in at the last second and undercut the offensive player. And that's a block. Should be a foul.

But if an offensive play goes Bo Jackson Tecmo Bowl Truck Stick on a defensive player, that's a foul too. It goes both ways and both plays put players in danger of getting hurt.

Also, avoiding defenders on your drives by using slide bys, reverse lay ups, euro steps, pull up jumpers and floaters are basketball skills that basketball players at the highest level should already have to avoid these charge takers.

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Lol with this whole players

Lol with this whole players getting hurt angle from absorbing or commiting charges.. if a player cant take a charge an offensive player shouldnt be allowed to set a screen.. While were at it, how bout we make sure defenders guard with their hands behind their back.. We wouldnt want any offensive players getting accidentally slapped..

Casey, you have a pretty eccentric view of the game if I didnt know any better Id think you were Mike Dantoni..

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What type of correlation is that? The correct correlation is if I said that all offensive fouls should be prohibited. Only said the block/charge in the paint should be banned. I didn't make this up. I saw a game on TV and a TV personality suggested that the block/charge call should be banned, I fount it pretty logical. It's the same argument in expanding the restricted area.

Setting a screen is totally different than throwing your body at someone as soon as they go up for a dunk or a layup. They already have a call that offset a screen, it's called an illigal screen. You can play great defense with out going ot there and just throwing you body in front of offenseive players in hopping to get the call, whuch they never really get.

The offensive player typically the player that would get hurt, not the defensive player recklessly drawing the charge.

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