Rubio close to signing with Wolves, expect them to trade their Draft Pick
Draft Derrick Williams. Trade Beasley.
You really think they will trade the pick if they have the #1 Overall!!!!!
I think not! Kyrie will be the pick.
Why trade Beasley????? He has played the best ball of his career. I don't think he was a 1 year fluke.
"He has played the best ball of his career."
You act like he's been playing for over a decade lmao. But yeah, I agree with you, he showed me can be a good scorer in this league and can only get better whereas Derrick Williams hasn't proved anything on the NBA level.
Every point guard will be circling the Ricky Rubio game.
Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook are searching through the NBA record books to see what the NBA record for points in a game by a point guard is.
Hey, I know RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrubio won some games as a member of the Spanish team, but man, the Gasol brothers can make ANYBODY look good.
I bet that Kahn goes after Shaq. Yeah, that will work. Shaq and Love up front. Yeah, and give the Celtics Derrick Williams. Maybe they can throw in Flynn to sweeten the deal.
Right now, the Clippers are putting together an offer to send Chris Kaman up north to get Minny's pick. Yeah, because Kaman was an all-star last year...
Ok, I wanna see a front line of Blake Show, Derrick Williams, and DeAndre Jordan. With Eric Gordon in the backcourt. Maybe the Clips can get Flynn too.
If the Timberwolves want to move Rubio, the Knicks should have a say in this. Bring him to NY
The thing is, defenses started to figure him out in the 2nd half of the year and he really doesn't bring much besides scoring. His scoring brings him value, but I drafting Williams and trading Beasley while his value is high is not that bad.
What is Williams going to bring at the NBA level Beasley doesn't already bring?
Williams is simply Beasley with a better attitude.
In terms of the Knicks acquiring Rubio, I'm not sure they have anything to interest the Wolves. Landry Fields??
If they get the #1 pick, the Wolves should draft Irving and ship Rubio for future picks and young assets to say the Jazz or another team with prospective interest in Rubio. They really need to get their house in order though, cause Kahn has been running this team like a chicken with his head cut off.
"In terms of the Knicks acquiring Rubio, I'm not sure they have anything to interest the Wolves. Landry Fields??"
Why go for Fields when they just took Wes Johnson last year in the draft?
I dont think you can even compare the two, derrick williams had a good season in college, beasley was a beast and took over his lone year at kstate, he averaged 26 and 12 to d williams 19 and 8.
That was my point memphis, the Knicks have little in terms of cheap young talent that the Wolves would desire, with Fields perhaps being the only even possible target. I stated that they have nothing to interest the Wolves.
Rubio isnt going to the Knicks. They have 0 trade assets rights that Minnesota would want
i tell you what though, a package of the number 1 overall pick and Flynn, Ellington, maybe even Randolph could get a big name in return
yoooooooo I just thought, hope someone sees this and has an opinion. What if the Lakeshow traded Gasol or Bynum for that #1 and took Kyrie??? that'd be very interesting imo, something LA has to look at
What big name could they possibly land? I could see the Rockets offering Kevin Martin, and no, I don't consider him to be a big name, but rather an undersized 2 guard with a troubling injury history and pricey contract. That idea seems a little out there, especially considering the lack of superstars at the top of this draft. Maybe someone would want to jump up and snag Irving, but if so then there is no point for Flynn's inclusion. Bottom line, Kahn better hit a home run or two this offseason because he has done just about nothing right, short of trading for Kevin Love.
Bynum or Gasol for the #1? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Not even with a complementary package.
What if the Lakeshow traded Gasol or Bynum for that #1 and took Kyrie??? that'd be very interesting imo, something LA has to look at
No, no no. Stay safe. I don't know if Irving is a superstar, why move two players who can get more value just for the 1st pick in a weak draft? I disagree.
Rubio for Landry Fields, Shawne Williams, Toney Douglas, and the 17th pick would be fair value.
Douglas would be a great 6th man, Landry Fields is a good starter with great size for a shooting guard, and Shawne Williams is very versatile.
If Minny drafted Irving, Toney Douglas would be a good backup. Fields, Wes Johnson, Beasley, Randolph, and Shawne Williams would be great on the wings.
At 17 they can try to find a good backup for Kevin Love or move the 17 and 20 picks in order to draft Biyombo who has a lot of upside as a shot blocker and rebounder.
how can you say that martin is undersized...Hes is 6-6/6.7...you can say thin 2 guard,but hes not undersized and he is 22ppg scorer who earns 10 mill per year...I would love to have that kind of player for that price..
Wonderful in the past week we have had
“The club and the American agent keep telling Ricky Rubio that this is the right time (to go to the NBA) but he still has his doubts about it,” said Rubio’s agent in Spain, German Gonzalez
"After a week in Spain, David Kahn says he has no news -- and no timetable -- on #Timberwolves coaching future and possible Rubio signing"
"According to sources the Timberwolves are as optimistic as they've ever been that Rubio will be joining them for the 2011-2012 season." -------------------
Here is the problem with the recent news, the writer wrote a lot of discrediting stuff after the initial report. "Amongst the things the Timberwolves would be looking for in a deal for their top first round pick would be an experienced point guard to mentor Rubio and an upgrade at the center position" They already have experienced point guard to mentor Rubio in Ridnour. He had that job for a year in Milwaukee. The team also is committed to multiple centers. Darko has another two years and a team option, Pekovic has another two years, and even Tolliver has another year. I don’t particularly like their centers, but they do. David Kahn has said that rebuilding is complete and that there will be no more major changes. If this guy has any sort of credible source and is writing based off that information, he would not be dismissive of the players Minnesota’s organization has shown a commitment to because -rightly or not- the Timberwolves still like them. This is like the coach with no team throwing out the idea of Minnesota drafting Biyombo out of need because they need a shot blocker next to Love despite the fact that Milicic is a shot blocker next to Love. Darko was third in the NBA in blocked shots per minute, which should indicate that shot blockers aren't magicians when it comes to transforming bad defensive teams. Then again, the coach with no team hasn't been needing to put together a defensive scheme for some time. That means he can think they just need more of the same without feeling stupid.
The Timberwolves need to draft Derrick Williams.
Beasly is good, a nice player . But, we need to trade Beasly for a next year draft pick. He is the only player we can really get a pick for. Beasly is a good scorer and had a nice season of 20ppg but, thats just not enough for a team that only won 17 games. We need Beasly to play defense and that is not in Beasly game. Why wait on him to improve his defense when we can trade for anothr playr that already has good defense.And we need a C. if we trade beasly cause i highly doubt any of the top defensive FA'S would sign with us. But we have 8 million in cap space. We can probably sign Samuel Dalembert. He can take like 6 million. or 4 million .
Derrick Williams would so more upsite then Beasly cause Williams might not showcase his offensive skills some nights. But, he would play solid defense and play hard on both ends of the court. And thats something we missed in Beasly. Also Williams is better as a team player instead of Beasly he trys to be a star too much . We dont need him too find he is a star we need a team willing to help each other out.
Ricky Rubio is are future he is a team player. Kevin Love is a team player, Wesly Johnson more of a scorer but hasnt found his niche, Derrick William is a team player, Even though all these guys are team players they call can score and tribute to the team.
ill say it before, ill say it again... rubio, at best, is a calderon clone, doesnt play D, not a great shooter (although calderon isnt a bad shooter)... the NBA is the best 300 or so basketball players in the WORLD... while i understand that the spanish league is very good (probably 2nd best), the nba is a whole different ball game and i think this kid is getting way too much hype..
@esperanzafleet69 did you just say Rubio = Calderon and Rubio "doesn't play D" ?????
I'm sorry but you have NO IDEA what you talking about. I'm from Spain and I've seen Rubio play a lot of times, and I can tell you he is a very very good defender, I would even say that's his major strenght along with playmaking ability. And you right, Calderon isn't a bad shooter, actually he is a GOOD shooter (3 straight seasons averaging around 50% FG and 40% 3pt) so I don't see how you can compare Rubio to Calderon
You just proved that you didn't see him play more than a couple of times or maybe not even once
I always laugh when people say Ricky Rubio is a bad defender. Let's try watching a game before criticizing a player.
topatamolder, the NBA is a COMPLETELY different league than the spanish national league... ive seen rubio play roughly 5 or so times this season and i cant wait to see rubio try to defend ANY pg in this league.... i could name at least half the starting pg's in the league that he couldnt defend...
@esperanzafleet69, since when does it matter in which league is he playing? The defensive intensity/instincts are there, and that's something that translates to wherever you go.
By the way I've seen him guarding Derrick Rose pretty decently (yes, the nba mvp) and Jason Kidd (I know , he is old), so once again you are wrong if you think he can't guard half of the nba PG's
You know there's more to this story than what's being quoted in the media. I wouldn't take Kahn's or Rubio's European Agent quotes verbatim as the truth. There's a ton of politics to this situation. Rubio's European camp has to maintain that he's still loyal to Barcelona because of the vast marketing opportunities he currently has and will pontetially have. Kahn has also given Rubio's camp the guarantee that they won't mention anything to the media as well. See local Twin Cities media guy Darren Wolfson's twitter from the 12th when asked what Kahn's quotes about Rubio meant:
From what's been said locally here in MN, he's coming next year and something will be announced in late May.
In regards to the "David Kahn has said that rebuilding is complete and that there will be no more major changes.", and that they're content with Ridnour/Milicic/Pekovic/Tolliver, I also wouldn't read too much into that quote. I do believe they like Love, Beasley, Wes, Rubio and Randolph as the start of a 'core', and also think Milicic, Ridnour, Tolliver are solid role players on a good team, but I never read or saw that they're content with Milicic, Pekovic, and Tolliver as their Centers. I think they like Darko as their backup, hence Kahn's statement about him at their last game's press conference about still having a role, but one that's not starting. All indications are that Darko was more of a Rambis project than anything, see Rambis requesting the Wolves to trade for him from the Knicks in his first season. In regards to Pekovic, I wouldn't say they like him, they gave him a chance to play last season and the only things he showed was that he has a propensity for fouling, lacks rebounding/defensive ability and is a one dimensional back to the basket scorer with no other average to above average skill. I have to believe if they find a taker for him without having to take much back in salary he will be gone, see Ramon Sessions and Ryan Hollins the off season prior. I also can't remember seeing Tolliver play a whole lot of Center last season for the Wolves, from the top of my head it seemed like he played more SF than C. There were many instances where Tolliver would be on either stretch 4s or big shooting SFs like Durant. I'd have to say Love played more Center than Tolliver.
I also think if they can get a good young vet PG in Ray Felton or Kyle Lowry they will make the move. Ridnour, although a decent player in his own right, is a backup and only that, I'm not sure if they feel Rubio is a starting PG from jump, hence getting a starting PG to mentor him before they throw him to the Wolves, no pun intended. They also know that in order for them to compete they need better defensive players, Ridnour is not that, I'd have to imagine either Felton or Lowry would help them in that.
I could name 40 players in the NBA only a handful of players can defend. When did the NBA start playing D anyway?
are u kidding dude, look at the best teams in the league then look at pg's that can defend each other... your out of ur element..
Blood, in stating he's undersized I was talking mainly about his thin stature, leading to multiple injuries. I didn't realize he is 6'7. However, I'm not sure why you would pay 10mil annually for a guy who has missed 208 games over the last six seasons. He was fairly healthy in 2010-11, but his physical history suggests he can't maintain that productivity.
would love to have rubio in Utah!!!
would Miles and the 12th be enough?
maybe we could throw in Okurs contract?
tell me what you want!
the thought of Rubio in Utah makes Hard!!!
There's no way the Jazz get to ditch Okur's contract while acquiring Rubio. In fact, Minnesota will probably request Favors or Hayward as a starting point. If this conversation ever happens, the Jazz would be smart to walk away and try to get Irving in the draft. Knight is also an option.
You sir are a drone and need to get off a website that is loaded with people who actually know something about the sport.
If you can only name 40 players in the league, and only a few that you "think" can play defense, this site is not for you man you obviously are not a routine viewer of the sport, and I dont blame you, Kaun runs your team. Must be hell trying to like a sport when your sports team is run by one of the most clueless owners in sports.
Nothing &$#%#&@! me off more than people who try and disrespect the league when they haven't paid attention to the sport in the past 7 years. The most common and obvious comment is the NBA doesnt play defense, which is just absolutely made up, and nothing of your knowledge can provide any support of that point.
The players in the NBA are FAR more talented than college players, that being said, they can shoot the ball from much farther and have much more spacing on the court. If the zone defense was played in the NBA more often teams would be killed by the three point shot. NBA plays more man-on-man and to guard NBA players you not only have to be a smart and good defender but you also have to be a superior athlete as well. So the fact that you said only a handful of NBA players play defense is just ignorant because only a handful of players in college are good enough athletes let alone defenders to make it the NBA. If no defense was played in the NBA Adam Morrison would be in the All-Star game and not looking for a job.
The only reason you "think" that no defense is being played is because of the energy of college atmosphere and the hustle of the 20 year olds in college. But in terms of DEFENSE, the NBA plays much better defense and has much better defenders than in college. Hustle does not equal good defense and sometimes can result in bad defense.
I would love to see what a college team could do against someone like Chicago or Miami's defense. They wouldn't be able to get the ball above their heads before it came swatted back at them. Moral of the story, Watch the game before you criticize it.
"You know there's more to this story than what's being quoted in the media."
It is the same story since 2009. Rubio doesn't want to go to an NBA team and not play, he doesn't want to play for a bad team with no hope for improvement, and he doesn't want to live somewhere his family won't be comfortable. I see no reason why this rumor would have much credence when considering that. I do believe that if he was taken by a more prestigious team that he would either already be here or be in the process of coming. While a lot of people pound him, he is going to be -optimistically- a 40 percent shooter who will be one of the best passing point guards in the league. That was Jason Kidd for much of his career, that is Rajon Rondo, but it was also guys like Brevin Knight and Jamaal Tinsley. Avery Johnson was a nobody until he got to San Antonio. His game didn't change. I can see why a true point guard might prefer to go to a more stable team that plays a more mature style than Minnesota.
" In regards to Pekovic, I wouldn't say they like him, they gave him a chance to play last season and the only things he showed was that he has a propensity for fouling, lacks rebounding/defensive ability and is a one dimensional back to the basket scorer with no other average to above average skill. I have to believe if they find a taker for him without having to take much back in salary he will be gone, see Ramon Sessions and Ryan Hollins the off season prior. I also can't remember seeing Tolliver play a whole lot of Center last season for the Wolves, from the top of my head it seemed like he played more SF than C."
They gave him $13.5 million and three years. They gave Darko $20 million and up to four years. The organization is committed to those two. Just because you don't like them (and your inability to see that Pekovic was a fine offensive rebounder highlights your ignorance), it does not change the guaranteed nature of those contracts. Pekovic was a foul machine in Europe, so it shouldn't be surprising he was the same way in his rookie year in the NBA. The problem for him is that there is not any sort of defensive structure or accountability taking place on that team to give any sort of promise for him and the team improving. Also, the contract of Ryan Hollins turned into basically the same money of Sebastian Telfair so that was basically a wash where they went from a big to a small, and Ramon Sessions has played well enough in all his stops to merit Cleveland taking him for nothing (Delonte West's $500K buyout).
"I also think if they can get a good young vet PG in Ray Felton or Kyle Lowry they will make the move. Ridnour, although a decent player in his own right, is a backup and only that, I'm not sure if they feel Rubio is a starting PG from jump, hence getting a starting PG to mentor him before they throw him to the Wolves, no pun intended."
If you think there is a considerable difference in Raymond Felton, Kyle Lowry, and Luke Ridnour, you are mistaken.
Im jus so offended is right. The t wolves should send a pakcage of players and the no. 1 for gasol, bynum, or odom. What about, Odom, Bynum, for top 2 pick, Beasley, Flynn, and Randolph. It may be a stretch, but this gives the t wolves a front court of Odom Bynum and love, and they can hope Rubio pans out. For the Lakers, Its a big gamble, but they get waaaaaaay younger, and if Flynn can become the player he was in his rookie season, How would a rejuvinated Flynn, Kobe, Beasley, Derrick Williams, Pau Gasol sound, with Randoph Artest and Fisher off the bench. I agree the trade does give away their height advantage, and bench depth, but they become way more athletic.
Rubio will make the Wolves alot better, especially the wingmen will benefit alot from him running the point. If Flynn can stay healthy the Wolves will be solid at the point guard this year, with an option to become real good in a couple of years. To me it's clear they should draft Enes Kanter with their top 3 pick. He might be somewhat similar to Love in some ways but Kanter has a high basketball IQ and I can see these two dominate the paint together in a couple of years. If Love doesn't resign then Kanter will be a nice insurance inside. With the 20th pick, another no brainer to me, they should grab Biyombo if he's still available of course. Although I have a gutfeeling he will be gone earlier. Instant rebounding, agressiveness and shotblocking off the bench is exactly what the Wolves need, especially the defense. If Biyombo doesn't develop as hoped then it wouldn't be a big waste of a pick but if he does become a defensive expert then Kahn for once will look like a genius.
You didn't need to go there, but I do understand your logic. They do have money/guaranteed years commited to Milicic and Pekovic, but if anything can be taken from the trade of Sessions and Hollins it's that Kahn is not afraid to move a player or two he feels isn't playing to the value of their contracts or does not fit into the team's future plans. Milicic is undoubtedly a Rambis project, and from what has been said here locally it sounds like they are planning to buyout the remainder of the Coach's contract. He showed he was talented early, but down the stretch he was one mental/focus lapse after another. He does provide size, something the Wolves need him for, but do they feel he's worth that contract? Pekovic did show that he could score inside, but 'a fine offensive rebounder'? He did have a nose for the ball, but was nothing extraordinary, his offensive rebouding percentage/average were nothing great, plus most of his PT was spent with Love on the bench where he had many more opportunities to gather offensive rebounds. I pray a new coach will bring defensive structure and accoutability, Rambis may be the poorest communicator of any Coach. But ultimately the accountablity will come when better talent is brought in, unfortunately for Rambis he wasn't able to reprimand certain players for mental lapses because the team just couldn't compete without them, ie: Beasley, Wes, Darko, or had to play them to try and build their trade value, ie: Flynn.
The problem for Ridnour is that he's a very poor defender and is absolutely down right terrible in the clutch, see the Wolves in the 4th Quarter last year, I can't tell how many times I saw him throwing up 3 point bricks in late game situations, I don't throw out the possibility that these were a product of Rambis' poor coaching though too. But he's still a very poor defender, and I think a PG that can defend would set a better defensive tone for the team, although a new coaching staff that emphasizes Defense would go along way as well.
Drone? Name caller, huh? I didn't say only a handful of players can defend, only that there are lot of good players and only a couple of guys who can defend them. How many players can defend Durant night in, night out, or how about Kobe and Lebron?
"I didn't say only a handful of players can defend, only that there are lot of good players and only a couple of guys who can defend them. How many players can defend Durant night in, night out, or how about Kobe and Lebron? "
Dude your comment is right above this you cant lie.
"I could name 40 players in the NBA only a handful of players can defend. When did the NBA start playing D anyway?"
"When did the NBA start playing D anyway" sounds a lot like the NBA doesnt play defense not that no one can guard Lebron Durant and Kobe which I agree with you. If thats not what you meant than you obviously need to change the way you say it.
This dude bothteamsplayedhard gets on here just to argue with people, do something productive bruh
For whatever it's worth, he's actually a writer for the site.