Just when it didn't seem possible for Roy to sink any further, tonight's game 5 (at home) he posts the following line against the Hawks:
0 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, on 0-2 shooting in 12 minutes.
The most telling stat though.. 4 fouls within that 12 minutes of action. This guy was an all star and was voted 2nd for DPOY. Crazy
with the series on the line game 6, i think its time Vogel just DNP's him.
I have no problem with him not playing in a Pacers uniform again. He has been horrible and that isn't good enough from a supposed All-Star.
I think Indiana needs to go get a low-post scorer someone who you can rely on, David West isn't aging as well as I hoped.
I just don't understand how someone can be an all star and then drop off like he has...
I dont really think he has ever been a good player. He is an average player, whose attributes/skills flourished in the system that Indy plays in. But he isnt an above average player. He is flat footed and slow, and the only reason he doesnt get burnt on the pick and roll every time the guard turns the corner and has a lay up scored on him is because he has elite perimeter defenders in Paul George, Stephenson and Hill out there covering up for his slowness. The idea that he was second in DPOY votes baffles me when Paul George was obviously the defensive core of this team. You put any guy with size who can hold position on the block and they would excel just the same, if not more so then Roy as he has little to no post moves and cannot for the life of him rebound despite his size. Imagine Andre Drummond on this team. Roy has always been overrated, it isnt just these playoffs he is playing poorly.
Could it be that he might just be going through a rough patch? I understand all of your concerns in regards to his abilities, but he was given a big contract and considered an all-star caliber player for a reason. I think that this may be a bit of a confidence/mojo issue and a rough patch. Basketball players usually are consistent in that players don't suddenly fall off in the way that Hibbert has, but in other sports such as baseball, players can go through a whole season without any breakthrough (Albert Pujols to name one).
Roy Hibbert mental makeup does bother me a lot. I saw him on think it was Sports Nation. He was asked if he hated the Heats. I'm paraphasing. No I don't hate them, we are just going about business. This is before the collapse and during the time when they were talking a lot about getting the first seed/going though the Heats also.
I really thought it was weird at the time and he sounded soft. He didn't have to say he hated them, but what he said bothered me. Shortly afterwards the downfall came.
When exactly has he displayed these All-Star calibre abilities? He hasnt averaged double figures since January and cant stay on the floor longer then 30 minutes because hes already got 3 fouls by then or has run out of gas because of his poor conditioning. Good on him for cutting down his weight from since he was in highschool but the dude isnt an above average centre. He has size, that is his only elite attribute. He can bully people and get a couple blocks a game simply off of that, but he doesnt have any elite scoring ability and is an average at best rebounder for a guy his size. The only reason he makes the All-Star team is because of the lack of depth at the centre spot, especially with guys like Brook Lopez perennially injured.
Hold on Ive seen Hibbert go to war with other Centers time and time again. Cant just say he was never a good player or else he would never have been voted for DPOY. He obviously has lost belief in himself and confidence to perform to his skill level.
You see some players have amazing skill some have average. Some have amazing workethic some have average. Some have amazing drive and confidence some have average. A combination of those categories determine the end results. If you dont believe in your skills you wont be able to use them and you wont have any reason to work hard.
Hibbert has confidence issues. People say he may not love the game, I think he does but its hard to display that passion when you struggle believing in yourself. Most people in society face confidence issues which completely cripples people and keeps them from accomplishing anything because they feel they "cant" do something.
I know right away this is his issue. Im in sales and Ive seen people make $3000 one week and $50 the next because of confidence related issues. Saying Hibbert isnt really a good starting center he was just playing like a good starting center on a good team is like saying a salesman made $3000 a week 1 year straight and he was never really that good or worth what he made it was the product that was good.
The team was good because Hibbert was playing his position well, and the product was good because the salesman sold it well.
He has a good post game and is a great defender when he plays with confidence he is worth holding onto as arguably the 2nd most important player to Indianas success.
K the "he's going through a rough patch" defense just needs to stop. The dude hasn't averaged more than 10 ppg since January. He's shooting a bad percentage for a guy who takes a majority of his shots from less than 10 feet away from the rim. He averaged 10.8 ppg and 6.6 rebounds...that isn't an elite player. He had a great playoff stretch last year and got way too much hype for it. He's an average to below average offensive player.
I'm sorry Hawks fans or Antic apologists, but nobody is mistaking Antic for a top flight big man, and Hibbert is getting his crap pushed in. He cant establish position because he gets pushed out really easily, he cant handle passes in traffic, and he brings the ball down and gets it taken away from him by helping guards. He's been downright awful and theres really no excuse for it. Unfortunately I don't think the Pacers can really bench him because his defense is still pretty valuable for them. If they go small with Scola and West, the Hawks are going to invade the paint.
He's just soft, both mentally and physically. I'd say trade him this off-season, but his value is going to be so low it may not be worth it. It is pretty mind-boggling though that he's playing this poorly.
To me it is worth it to free up 14mil of cap space over the nxt two seasons.
So you're saying this guy finished ahead of Deandre Jordan in DPOY voting? Ahead of a player who averaged 2.5 blocks 1 steal and 14 rebounds a game? A player who drastically improved his defense from the past season, be it Post D, staying in front of his man in a switch and in help D? C'mon NBA..
Even Big Perk has better stats than him during the playoffs...
He literally forgot how to play basketball
It is a combination of things. First, he hit the wall around February. His offensive performance fell off a cliff, and Paul George's offense did as well. It is easy to look at them right now as though they did not pace themselves for the long haul. They put forth such great effort defensively over the course of the season (an with that increased effort also career high in minutes for Hibbert and George), but it certainly looks as though they might have gone too hard too soon. Second, it is a nightmaric matchup for him. If you think back a couple years to when the Sixers knocked off the Bulls, Omer Asik and Taj Gibson looked bad when Philadelphia had Hawes, Allen, and Brand pull them away from the basket. Teams like Indiana, Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte are good team defenses but that is not the same thing as them being a collection of good individual defenders. Charlotte was one of the best interior defending teams with Al Jefferson and Josh McRoberts as their big men playing 35 minutes a night. For all the talk about rim protectors and specialists, I think the success of Charlotte's defense is going to make Jazz and Timberwolves fans gargle antifreeze. An isolated Joakim Noah still gets hit for big games from bigger stronger centers. Roy Hibbert has been great in his role within the Pacers defensive scheme, but that scheme has been countered by a Hawks team that has the skilled big men to turn them into individual defenders. Third, his confidence is shot. I do not believe there is any other way to explain how a 7' 2" 300 lbs. man with his resume can miss two-thirds of his shots in the paint this series. I cannot believe he has permanently turned into DeSagana Diop, but the convergence of circumstances could make for a long off-season. Washington with Marcin Gortat, Nene, and Booker up front would be a more conventional matchup for them defensively if they survive Atlanta, but fixing what is failing Hibbert offensively might take an extended clearing of the head.
ET's from spacejam came back to take his ability, that's what really happened to Hibert