[HitsterParticipant]

 I had believed that part of the last CBA that teams could only give one player on a rookie their roster a 5 year extension and this created issues when the Thunder had used up their "designated player" option on Russell Westbrook and they could not give James Harden the sort of extension he was after. Likewise T-Wolves wanted to keep their designated player option and K-Love had to sign a shorter deal.

This summer however both Chicago and Cleveland have given 5 year deals to Jimmy Butler and Tristran Thompson when they have already used up their designated player option on D-Rose and Kyrie Irving respectively.

Neither Thompson nor Butler have signed max deals I believe but can anyone else explain why they have been allowed to have 5 year deals coming off a rookie contract when a team has already handed out a similar deal.

I’ve re-read the CBA a few times and cannot see how they have done it.

An easy way to do it would have been say Thompson signed one year deal this season becomes a FA next summer and can take a 5 year deal like any other FA can take if they stay with their existing team. 

 

 

 

 

[CobraParticipant]

 I think this link will answer your question: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

The Designated Player thing has to do with 5 year extensions before the player plays his final year of his rookie deal. It’s different from signing a five year deal the summer you are a free agent.

 Also, if you want to extend your player before his rookie contract is done (Davis/Lillard) for five years, it HAS to be at the max. If you wait until they are a free agent, you can sign them to a five year deal a a sub max amount (Bledsoe/Knight).

[CobraParticipant]

 I think this link will answer your question: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

The Designated Player thing has to do with 5 year extensions before the player plays his final year of his rookie deal. It’s different from signing a five year deal the summer you are a free agent.

 Also, if you want to extend your player before his rookie contract is done (Davis/Lillard) for five years, it HAS to be at the max. If you wait until they are a free agent, you can sign them to a five year deal a a sub max amount (Bledsoe/Knight).

[HitsterParticipant]

 Thanks Cobra, I guess the gamble for a rookie is do they take the money on offer after year 3 or wait another year and try to get a longer deal.

I guessed there had to be a fairly simple answer, as I’d read the CBA a few times and couldn’t find it. 

 

[CobraParticipant]

 No problem. There also could be a John Henson situation where the player takes a four year sub max extension with one year remaining on his rookie deal. Also a Harrison Barnes situation where he turned down a four year sub max extension with the hopes of getting a higher offer from GS or another team when he’s a RFA next summer.

[CobraParticipant]

 No problem. There also could be a John Henson situation where the player takes a four year sub max extension with one year remaining on his rookie deal. Also a Harrison Barnes situation where he turned down a four year sub max extension with the hopes of getting a higher offer from GS or another team when he’s a RFA next summer.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Thanks Cobra, I guess the gamble for a rookie is do they take the money on offer after year 3 or wait another year and try to get a longer deal.

I guessed there had to be a fairly simple answer, as I’d read the CBA a few times and couldn’t find it. 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 It’s always a risk, does a player turn down 4 years guaranteed extension in hope of a better deal, the flipside being they lose form or maybe get injured. Also if they get a 5 year deal it could be they then take longer to get the mega 3rd contract.

Teams maybe try to get players signed up after year 3 in the hope they can get them on a cheaper deal but if the player loses form they have the guy tied to them for another 4 years where they could have merely declined to match any offer after year 4.

Steph Curry was a classic good value extension after year 3. Other guys like Evan Turner and Aaron Brooks who had good 3rd years weren’t resigned and were traded the next year which if they had been extended would have been harder.

Paul George when he had his horrific injury had the safety net of having extended the year before so both sides knew exactly where they were.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 It’s always a risk, does a player turn down 4 years guaranteed extension in hope of a better deal, the flipside being they lose form or maybe get injured. Also if they get a 5 year deal it could be they then take longer to get the mega 3rd contract.

Teams maybe try to get players signed up after year 3 in the hope they can get them on a cheaper deal but if the player loses form they have the guy tied to them for another 4 years where they could have merely declined to match any offer after year 4.

Steph Curry was a classic good value extension after year 3. Other guys like Evan Turner and Aaron Brooks who had good 3rd years weren’t resigned and were traded the next year which if they had been extended would have been harder.

Paul George when he had his horrific injury had the safety net of having extended the year before so both sides knew exactly where they were.

 

 

 

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