Rondo top PG in the L
Alot may say CP3,D-Will,Rose, etc and the arguments are all legit.
But I'm going with Rondo he's the #1 PG in the NBA.
He's currently at 33 games in a row where he has handed out 10 or more assist and he's on track to eclipse John Stockton(37 in a row), and Magic Johnson( all time record of 46 in a row).
Rondo is still so underrated.
I still have Chris Paul as the best PG currently. He has it all. Playmaking, scoring, a jumpshot (lol), strong defensive pressure, and leadership. But Rondo may be one of, if not, the most valuable point guards (to his team) in the league.
I still take Chris Paul and a healthy Rose over him no question. Chris Paul is the most complete PG in a long time, and Rose is just too dynamic, he always wins big matchups.
the biggest problem i feel with rondo is that he likes to turn it on only when he feels like it. this guy can score a hell lot more points than he does on any given night but he just chooses not to. you can see what im talking about when you watch him play on televised games...he goes off on those games whereas in games like tonight against the raps he just goes easy. that being said i do feel as though he is top 3 in the league.
one x factor when talking about the BEST pg in the league is leadership. and therefore, until rondo becomes more consistent with his attack on offense, and until we see rose after-injury...CP3 is the best.
thats just my opinion, arguments about either 3 can be made and i would prob agree for the most part.
Went easy? lol he had 20 assists today
maybe he didnt score too much but that's what makes Rondo so good he plays with the flow of the game and doesn't force things. Not saying Paul does either but there is no way you can call getting 20 assists "taking it easy."
Rondo is a beast, but I just don't see how anybody can make the argument he's better than CP3. CP3 has zero holes in his game. You can't say that about Rondo.
And even if we look at the stat sheet... CP3 is 17-19 points on damn near 50, 40 and 90 shooting with 10 assists, 2.5 steals and only 2 turnovers. Not to mention, he's the best leader at his position in the NBA.
You can't get any better than CP3, especially now that he's over that nasty meniscus tear from a few seasons ago.
i dont disagree with any of that but maybe the last part that he cant get any better...i know he gets a lot of skills but when i see him play his on ball defense isnt exactly the best. laterally he doesnt move as well as youd want him to but thats really about it.
also actually, i would like to see him penetrate into the paint more...it seems like hes falling in love with outside shots now compared to his hornets days where he gets into the paint at will. if he does that with the clips they will be unstoppable.
He's lost a half of step to a step due to the meniscus tear, but those issues are nitpicking. For whatever he lacks getting to the paint now, he's made up for it with the best mid-range game (at his position) in the league.
Defensively, he's lost some side to side quickness, but his defense is still sticky.
This is no longer the CP3 of 2007-2008, but this guy is still a top five player in basketball.
Lol you guy look at stats TOO much, one stat you can't measure is leadership and maturity, Paul beats rondo in that by a landslide. Another is killer instinct, CP3 will come up big almost every time in crunchtime. Rondo has yet to average 15 points for a season and I doubt he could match pauls 22 points, 5 rebounds, and 12 assists from 07-09 with the cast he had
Than CP3 in court vision and CP3's is good. CP3 has good D but Rondo's is a lot better on the man not just steals. Rondo is a much better rebounder too. He is the best. Get over it. His teams go deeper too.
I'm sorry, but how is Rondo NOT the best PG in the league? The only thing that CP3 does better is SHOOT, and with that being said Rondo's jumper is getting more and more reliable and by the end of the regular season defenders will have to respect his jumpshot. He can be a high volume scorer when he wants to. (ECF game 2 vs Miami 44 pts) But he does exactly what a point guard is supposed to do. Rondo is a better rebounder, a better defender, a more creative passer, also a tad faster and more agile. Every single night he plays he is a threat for a triple double, can't say the same about CP3. Plus, Rondo is a WINNER, a very imporant cog to the Celtics championship in 2008, Chris Paul has won nothing. He is not only the best true point guard but he is the BEST pg, don't care what anybody says. I' am being as unbiased as I can possibly be.
Shocker, Boston fan prefers Rondo and claims to be unbiased.
Flaws in your argument: Chris Paul does his job better then Rondo. Rondo is an excellent passer, but Paul is better, has never had the help Rondo has, and also is one of the most efficient PG's in the history of baseketball. Rondo isn't a better pure PG then Chris Paul because Chris Paul is literally everything you want and need in a PG. He can score in every way imaginable, and is the most efficent passer in the game, as well as being one of the smartest players, and best leaders in the NBA. Seriously his efficiency numbers blow Rondo out of the water. Then you go and call Rondo a winner, and say Chris Paul isn't. Rondo was irrelevant the one time Boston actually won something, while Chris Paul has put decent to garbage teams on his back for nearly his entire career.
Chris Paul vs. Rajon Rondo (assist to turnover ratio)
Season: 5.11 vs. 4.03
Career: 4.03 vs. 3.05
Last 3 years: 4.29, 4.42, 4.38 vs. 3.23, 3.25, 3.21
Just for comparisons sake, John Stockton's was 3.72 for his career, and Paul's is a good amount higher. Watch Chris Paul play for once and you might actually realize you are watching one of the best decision makers in basketball history.
And for EWA Chris Paul has led all PG's in the NBA 3 of the last 5 seasons (including right now), finishing 2nd to Derrick Rose in his MVP season, and 6th 2009-2010, which just so happened to be the year he only played 45 games. Had he played 60 he would've led the league, and only would've needed 50 to pass Rondo, despite Rondo playing 81 games. Chris Paul has also led all PG's in PER every year since 2007-2008, and is 1st again among players with more then 5 games played. Rondo? 12, 19, 15 and 5.
Rondo was the 4th most important player on the 08 championship team, how are you being unbiased when your a Boston fan with a Boston profile picture and your username is bostonkings??? Rondo is more of a complementary player rather than a franchise piece, which is why he's been shipped for the last couple of seasons. Please call me when rondo can put up 22 5 and 12 when his best teammate is David west. Yes rondo averages more assists but he also averages 2 more turnovers, and rondo is not a better defender than Paul, he can gamble a lot more and has an easier time guarding his man with his quickness and long arms, Paul doesn't have any standout physical traits
You Rajon Rondo fans are delusional. How many championships would Chris Paul have if he played for the Celtics?
You guys need to seriously look at the teams Paul has played with. Those teams in New Orleans were all overachieving significantly because of Paul. This year's Clippers team is the most talented team he's been on.
Rondo is a beast no doubt, but Paul has everything you could want in a point guard and player... That's stacking him up against point guards today and all of the best point guards in NBA history. Paul is this generation's Isiah Thomas. He just needs a title to solidify his spot amongst the greats at his position.
Its not that close. Better than everone else overall in every area and he shoots 45-46 from the field. He is the best.
Dishes out 19 and scores 20 plus. Call me when CP3 averages triple doubles in the playoffs. Its not that close. Its called Denial and Hate. That's why you choose to overlook he is the most skilled overall by leaps and bounds. Delusional. Deron Williams 16 a game career average vs Rondo. Rose stats go down too vs him. Checking BJ night last game against Rondo. Ugly game for him.
I remember alot of CP3 fans saying he'd beat Rondo in APG if he had more talent.....what's the hold up? CP3 is on a stacked team and is only averaging 10APG....Rondo 14 per. Just imagine Rondo on the Clippers he'd AVERAGE 20 APG and im not exaggerating I truly think that, the dude is a wizard with the ball.
CP3 and the Clippers got smacked in the playoffs last year, while Rondo led an old man team one game away from the finals...against who? The best team in the NBA.....Rondo is the best set up man and passer in the L, he is a game changer, his defense,rebounding,intangibles all beat out CP3, when will people realize Rondo doesn't need to shoot, when he gets aggressive we know he can drop 40, he drop 40+ on the heat and it was the easiest 40 i've seen in my life(only missed 8 shots and added 8 assist and 10 boards!)
And for the number guys Rondo beat CP3 in NBA rating and scoring efficency last season.
Come on man, your bias is legit sickening. How on earth are the Clippers loaded? Before Paul came they weren't even a playoff team and in his first year there he led them to the 5 seed. That was with one legitimate weapon outside of himself (Griffin) who is completely one dimensional as a scorer, even if he's really good at that one area. Now he has another weapon in Jamal Crawford and they are #3 in the West at this point. I know you love Eric Bledsoe, but he Paul's backup, and Jordan, Butler and the rest of that team aren't big scorers at all. He doesn't have the luxury of having Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry next to him, or a deeper bench. By the way, what the helling is NBA rating? What does that even mean?
I've proven time and time again that Paul is a better distributor then Rondo, yet you continually ignore that fact. If you think Rondo has better intangibles then Paul and think Rondo would average 20 apg on the Clippers then we seriously have nothing left to talk to about. Those are literally two of the most dumbfounding, arrogant, biased and completely asasine statements I've heard in my life, and you said both of them in the span of two paragraphs.
Chris Paul is the better basketball player...and probably the better PG as well. The gap isnt as wide as people make it seem. The reason Rondo has been shopped a lot is because of his conflicts with the coach and players (Ray Allen in particular). Chris Paul has been able to dominate a season. Rondo has shown that he can flat out be the most dominant PG in the game....its just that he doesnt do it night in and night out. Thats not because he cant though....its because like you guys said, he has had more help for one, and two....he truly embraces the traditional PG role. IF this guy had a jumpshot then Lebron probably wouldnt be considered better than him, much less Chris Paul. Maturity, yes, Paul has him beat...but I really have to question that Paul is a better leader by a landslide....on what basis? When the Celts REALLY need Rondo to step up, he does it.
I think its situational. If someone forced me to take Rondo and said I couldnt have D Rose or CP3, I wouldnt cry or lose any sleep about it.
Chris Paul is putting up 10.2 APG in 32.4 MPG. Rondo is putting up 13.4 APG in 38.1 MPG.
This is kind of like arguing... Who's the better rebounder between a healthy Dwight Howard and Kevin Love. I mean, it's so close, it's not a big deal. Even if Rondo is a better passer, it's not THAT big of a deal. The gap is not that huge between these two players as passers when it comes to creating, making the right passes, vision, not turning it over, etc, etc.
I'm still waiting on somebody to tell me what Rondo does *SIGNIFICANTLY* better than Chris Paul. Don't say rebound because Paul averages 4.4 for his career and Rondo averages 4.6. Defensively, both players are great. Paul has lost some lateral quickness since his meniscus tear, but he's still a great on ball defender. Rondo probably is a better defender, but he gambles far too often and is probably a little overrated as a defender.
However we can say that Paul is *SIGNIFICANTLY* better than Rondo at every aspect of shooting and just having offensive skill. It's not even close. Paul has a complete game offensively with zero holes. I feel like people are just ignoring this. People talk about Rondo getting a triple double like that is more valuable than being a complete player. It's ridiculous.
Exactly Indiana. The assist edge is mainly based on minutes played. Also while both offenses are very much dominated by their PG (as they should be), the Celtics take it to the next level with Rondo creating just about everything. It means more assists for Rondo, but he also has more turnovers than CP3. And the Celtics offense is nothing too special and has been worse than the Clippers offense for the last two years.
And CP3's shooting isn't just much better than Rondo, he is one of the best shooters and scorers in the entire league. CP3 is an elite scorer, either in the flow of the offense, or cruch time ISOs. I love a traditional PG, but when I can get both passing and elite scoring, sure I will take it.
Rondo is fantastic. No one should be arguing that DWill is better than him, for example. And Rose we have to see how his speed is. Rondo is a clear number two, but CP3 is number one, no question.
He would average way more assist on that Clippers team. His vison and passing ability is way better. Son it's way better.
Rondo getting triple doubles shows he is a complete player....he can do it all at a HIGH level when he needs to......what do you mean Indiana?
Getting a triple double requires scoring ten points at the offensive end. You can score a couple of easy baskets and hit some free-throws to get 10 points.
That doesn't mean you're a complete offensive player. Rondo is a great all-around player, but his offensive game/skill is not close to being in the same universe as Paul's.
Paul is an elite shooter. From everywhere. He can catch and shoot. He can hit you with the one or two dribble pull up and shoot. His mid-range game is elite. It doesn't matter if he's going left or right. He can get to the cup. His tear shot is elite. Put him on the line, and he's elite. He runs the P&R to perfection. He can isolate. I mean, there's no one thing he can't do as an offensive player.
Seriously... Paul is the Kobe Bryant of point guards when it comes to have a complete/skilled offensive game.
My top 3 point guards are CP3, Rondo, D-Will, no order because I have them all on the same level.
There's a reason Rajon Rondo didn't make the "JV" Team USA in 2010 and Chris Paul has two gold-medals.
That's not actually an argument though, and neither is this Paul vs Rondo debate. How can we say that someone who is a liability on the offensive end in terms of scoring the ball is better than a guy that's a threat to drop 25 points on any given night while taking less than 10 shots?
Not only is Chris Paul leaps and bounds a better offensive player than Rajon Rondo but a better defender as well. Whereas Rondo gambles and often loses, Chris Paul stays in front of his man and makes it difficult for them to get into the lane.
Can't stop there, Chris Paul is one of the most CLUTCH players in the league. I'm willing to say he's the most clutch point guard and a top-5 player in clutch situations in the entire world. On the flip-side of that coin, Rondo sometimes isn't even on the floor in situations!
If Rondo is so much better, why is he constantly benched in the final 2 minutes when it's a 2 point game while Chris Paul is the guy taking every shot. I mean, that step-back J from the free-throw line is cash money for Paul.
I agree with you on everything besides the D. Chris Paul also gambles, a lot. Chris has incredibly quick feet and can stay in front of his man but so can Rondo. Chris Paul is smaller and can get posted/scored over the top of rather easily. Both are great defenders but Rondo effects the game so many ways with his length and is the best rebounding point guard I have ever seen. Chris Paul is obvioulsy better offensively but I would rather have Rondo on my team and surround him with scorers, let him create.
I'm sorry, the only thing CP3 does better is shoot, ad Rondo has the edge in every other category, it really isn't close.
If you look at their per minute production, Rondo really only has an "edge" in those other catagories. Per 48 minutes Rondo is averaging 16.8 assists per game. But CP3 is right there with 15. Rondo is rebounding 5.7 but CP3 is solid at 4.8. CP3 has more steals 3.5 to 2.5. But scoring is a big part of the game. And CP3 hits much more of his shots than Rondo. The edge there from an elite 60% TS% for CP3 to Rondo's fine but sort of average 55% TS% is really quite big.
Not that CP3 is playing some of his best ball ever in his career this year. So while Rondo may be much improved from last year, CP3 has also raised his game. And he has raised it to a height that Rondo can't match.
Y2G you're getting really mad you need to simmer down, if it makes you feel any better everything you just said doesn't change anybodys mind and we all know who the best PG is...
I'm mad because you are biased and stupid.
He's getting mad cause you "unbiased" fans are getting proved wrong while he provides that's that prove Paul is better in every category. Bostonkings if rondo is better than Paul then why did the c'stty to trade him for Chris Paul when he was still with the hornets?
CP3 is the best, and number 2 is up for grabs. I'm a huge Westbrook fan, but he needs to stop jacking up shots like crazy. I love Rondo as well, and for me he's number 2 right now, but Rose and Westbrook are great as well.
And I haven't been able to watch him much this season, but I'm looking at his shooting splits, and I see that on shots from 10ft-22ft, Rondo is 20-40, CP3 is 20-41, Westbrook is 15-50, Deron Williams is 16-39, Jrue Holiday is 18-45, Ty Lawson is 7-29, and Kyrie is 17-46.
The reason he's shooting much better than the rest of those PGs is probably because most of his midrange shots are wide open. But still, thought that was interesting.
ill take DWill hes the full package... but if i had any of them on my team im not complaining!