Rondo the most successful PGs ever?
Throughout his career where do you see Rondo ranking within the best PGs ever. he already has 1 ring could get his 2nd this year and is becoming the leader of the Boston Celtics.Soon he will get the keys and the Celtics torch will be passed.He hasnt even reached his Potential yet how good do you think he will be how many rings do you think he has.
Evern though we recognize him we all ALL OF US underate him.
As a Rondo fan. I think having 2 championships in the golden era of PG is amazing.
I think at this point, he's in the top 3. He is a top 3 PG in my eyes because of EVERYTHING he does. Let's stop the " Big 3" talk. Rajon Rondo is the only reason the C's are in this position. I like Chris Paul and Deron Williams over Rajon Rondo but that's it.
I feel if you put Rajon Rondo on any team. I feel he could help lead them to a championship then most PF in the NBA. I like Derrick Rose, he cannot do that.
Predicting rings is impossible. I think Rondo is a great player but I want to see what he does when he doesn't have those 3 around him. He is in a pretty good situation to succeed unlike Rose right now.
Have you seen his playoff numbers? Did you see some of his games? He's not resting on the Big 3 to succeed. He was the reason Boston won the title in 08 and will be the reason this year.
Let me ask a question: What if he's the Finals MVP?
Let's wait until Rose gets a better suporting cast before we say he can't do something. Other than Noah, he's surrounded with inconsistency. He doesn't have three Hall of Famers on his team.
He could be the Finals MVP but how can you seriously say that those 3 don't make it easier for him? I also remember Ray Allen dropping like 53 points against the Bulls in that series in '08 so while Rondo is and was crucial for them, he IS playing with 3 future hall of famers.
nash are better than rondo
Wait a minute.
The Bulls are saying thier in the LBJ race because they have Loul Deng, Joakim Noah, Kirk Hinrich and Derrick Rose. So when it comes to adding a superstar- they have a great supporting cast but yet cannot help the star they already have? We could even go back to when they had Tyrus Thomas and John Salmons- they were mediocre, I understand that Rose is only in his 2nd season but I listed a whole bunch of players who looking at the numbers were not average.
We will see what Rose could do coming next season. I know Rondo however. You guys act like if Rondo goes to a new team and doesn't lead them to a Championship- It was all the big 3. That's 100% wrong. He's a top assist man, he's a all star now, he's the best defensive PG in the NBA.
I never said they didn't matter, I said- Watching all the games? Rondo is more important.
Take Rondo off Boston, what would happen? That team would not have won a title.
Remember he averaged 9, and 6 when they won it all last time in ther finals. He can step up yeah, but he wasnt dominating against Orlando, he averaged like 14, and 8, which is solid, but the big three are still carrying him, hes a good pg but im not sure quite top three, hes a good passer, and driver, but isnt a good enough on ball defender, or shooter to be top 3 in my opinion.
Toss up between Paul and Williams
I think Billups has fallen from that elite group. He's good, but slowing down. Williams destroyed him in the first round.
I still like a healthy Tony Parker, remember he was averaging 22 & 7, its just planter fascitis really hurt him.
Please don't compare Noah, Deng and Hinrich to Garnett, Pierce and Allen.
I think that Rondo is better than every PG not named Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or Steve Nash. He's well on his way to passing Steve Nash currently, because of Nash's age. I think Rondo is better than Rose as a PG and at pretty much everything else, even though Rose is a better scorer. It's pretty much old and outdated to say Rondo is leaning on the the Big 3. He can get to the rim on whoever he want's, he's a super playmaker and passer, can score, and he is a leader. On top of that he's easily the best defensive PG in the game. The ONLY thing Rondo isn't very good at is shooting. He's pretty much elite level at every other aspect of basketball. How can you say that he leans on the Big 3 when he's better right now than ll 3 of them? It makes no sense.
All I am saying is that it has to be a lot easier to play with guys like that. You know that if you play bad you have 3 great players who can pick you up. You play more loose and with less pressure. I agree that he is a very good defender and one of the best passers in the game. I would still take Rose every day of the week though.
Hold on!!!!! easily the best defensive pg in the game? just watch him agasinst Jameer Nelson last series, he lit him up, hes a gambler. you can tell sometime he even lets his guy get by on purpose to strip from behind, hes not a very on ball defender at all, hes the best stripper in the game though (you know what i mean).
Rondo is a tenascious on ball defender, wat are you talking about?
he averaged 20 a game last year th best shooting pg besides nash, and nene and jr smith did nuthin that 1st round
Wait a min? Avenger? Not a good on ball defender? What are you watching? I'm gonna say it and people are gonna give me negatives but I don't care- I'll rebound
If Rajon Rondo had a constant jumpshot, he would be the 2nd Most Valuable Player in the NBA.
Right now, Rajon Rondo has everything a PG could have. He's the best rebounding PG in the NBA, You could make the case he's the best defensive PG in the NBA (CP3 is better only in passing lanes) and is a top 4 playmaker in the NBA ( Williams, Nash, Paul are the other 3) plus he has a championship ring. I understand he plays with the big 3 but if anything, he went from a " He's the PG because he the only one there" to " Rondo is the MVP of our team" He signed a 55 mil deal and people called it a discount because ( Like I said in the offseason) for all Rondo does, he's a max player.
I just don't understand how he's great at 4 things and has a championship ring YET he's not better then Steve Nash or Chanucey Billups. I find that absurd.
Yea he's a big gambler, but name 1 PG who defends better overall. I can't think of ONE guy. The only PG I can think of that's close to being as good a defender as Rondo is Kyle Lowry. And Lowry isn't as good off the ball to even be close.
What are you watching? if he did add a jumpshot he would definitely improve but second best player in the game? also Russell Westbrooks a better rebounder definitely, Pauls about the same, I still think regardless of if he adds a jumper Pauls better, he would be a top ten player though.
What exactly makes Rondo a success? I must admit that he is a great PG, post insane stats, but if you mention successful PGs, then why not mention Derek Fisher. He has 4 rings, hella playoff experience, and has had way bigger moments than Rondo or alot of othe great PGs who have played the game. Maybe you mean Rondo is one of the youngest, greatest PG, but with a little success compared to Derek Fisher.
Y'all act like Rondo is the #1 option on the Celtics. That team still goes through Pierce. And then Allen, then Garnett. Rondo has just become very good at controlling the offense, getting those players involved and most importantly... When to call his own number.
He's a top five point guard, but let's not act like he isn't benefiting from a team that has three Hall of Famers.
To name a few guys,
just off of the top of my head.
Like I said, he is a great PG no doubt. Before I crown him the best though I want to see what he does without those guys and what a player like Rose does with a superstar or 2 alongside him. People say that Rose is just a scoring PG but he averaged 26.8pts and 7.2ast in the playoffs this year.
Rondo has succeeded in a situation that a lot of players haven't had the chance to. Right now he is the best because of it but that could easily change in 2 years.
I'm sorry Iggy, but Rondo is not better than Pierce. Pierce is the true offensive threat on that team.
Ray is constantly running off screens, wearing out his defender, and rarely has the ball for more than 4 seconds. Rondo is the opposite, being played of so far, its almost laughable. If hes behind the three point line, his defender is in the circle. He misses almost 40% of his free throws, which makes him an almost Dwight Howard liability in late game situations. Those are very important situations (when he's off the ball, and in late game situations) for him to be a liability in. Do you ever want your best ball handler to be your poorest free throw shooter?
Thats why when the game is on the line, the Celtics go to Pierce. His catch and pump fake work with regularity, a testiment to the fact you have to play his jumper. He gets to the line with regularity (5 out of the 6 games against Orlando, he attempted 10 or more) and his 81% for the playoffs is really good. He's their top threat on the floor every time hes out there, and he's their emotional leader and closer. I think people have really forgotten who's on the Celtics besides the young gun. I wont even start on Ray's consistant efficiency, or how Garnett's health has made the biggest difference for this team, but we wont get into that.
And I HATE the Celtics. But Paul Pierce is the third best Celtic of all time. Respect that.
I think Rondo is an elite point guard, but better served in the complimentary role. Similar to Jason Kidd (except Kidd was bigger and a much better on ball defender). I don't think he's somebody who can ever be the go-to player for 82 games and the playoffs.
knicksboy32, you are trying to say that rondo is a good on ball defender? even doc rivers said in the beginning of the playoffs that rando has to work on his on ball defense bc he gets beat by every point guard he defends, hes a great off ball defender bc hes so fast and so quick and anticipates but cannot stay in front of any PG, he is the most overrated defender
Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry are the only other PG's that are close. I take back that last statement, because Westbrook is a better overall defender than Lowry. Mario Chalmers? Kirk Hinrich? CHRIS PAUL?! Those 3 are either good defenders but not elite (Kirk Hinrich, Mario Chalmers), or elite off the ball and getting steals and mediocre on the ball (Chris Paul).
No one thinks that the Rondo is the 1st option offensively. People think he's the best and most valuable player. Well, at least I do. Yea they run through Pierce 1st and foremost, but how many teams use their PG as the 1st option and compete for a title? It's wise to have a 1st option besides the PG. He has to depend on other guys to score, he's the PG. I don't think it's even fair to BLAME him for having teammates that are good. He'd be an elite PG if he played for any other team, but could he single-handedly get a team to be a title contender? No. No PG can. Not Deron Williams or Chris Paul.
rondo is incredible but, contrary to Rose, for me, he can't really be a go-to player partly because of his jumper but also because he is such a good passer that you dont want him to have to be the main scorer on your team
Kidd also has a better shot too, also Rondos a goods rebounder too but not at Kidds level, and hes a good passer but i dont think hell ever average more than hes averaging now with Celtics, not quite the passer Kidd is, i could see him being a better scorer though.
I think we could be looking at a young developing, poor man's Gary Payton. He certainly is not Gary's caliber player yet, but he is on pace to be that type of player. Both are/were phenomenal defenders who also could get their share of buckets. I think Gary was a better shooter, but that developed later in his career, so Rondo still has time to develop his J. IDK if Rondo will ever put the type of statistical season that Payton up, but he certainly could end up a similar type of player. He is playing with a stellar cast of vets though, so lets see how his game transitions without the big 3 and that deep bench.
I got marked a point for saying what im about to say again........RONDO IS AN ELITE ON BALL DEFENDER FOR HIS POSITION....You name me 2 thats better
Kirk Hinrichs a very good on ball defender, he actually guarded Pierce for part of their series and did a decent job although the huge height advantage, id take his defense any day over Rondos.
Exactly. The only 2 PG's that are even kinda close on D are Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry. If you don't think Rondo is the best defensive PG in the NBA you need to watch him on that end a little more.
Do you mean on ball defender? of overrall defender? no way hes even top 10 on ball defender for his position.
i mean he is an overrated on ball defender, he is an amazing off ball defender
i have a question for everyone who is saying rondo is right behind paul and williams as the best PGs in the league. When you see deron williams and chris paul, do they have 3 hall of famers? no! when you see steve nash, do you see that? no! without his supporting cast, Rondo is a great Pg, yes, but not close to the top because he is a liability without a jump shot, he only gets away with it now bc the help defense cant come over and help so fast when he beats his man bc of the players that are surrounding him. Lets see what he does when Allen, Pierce and KG leave, i bet he is nowhere near the player he is now..... One more thing, that first championship ring he won doesn't mean anything bc he didn't even play in the 4th quarter during the entire playoffs that year so he did not contribute to the game when it really counted
He's not better than Steve Nash or Chauncey Billups YET
If you look at their best regular season, rondo is FAR behind
Steve Nash won TWO MVP's, he;s had 5 seasons averaging a double double
has 8,397 career assists, scored 14,773 points
His Best Season was, 18.6ppg 11.6ppg 3.5rpg 53.2%FG 45.5%3p 89.9%FT
He's been in the NBA for 13 Years!!! How do you compare rondo who has played for 3 years
Rondo, who's best season, this year, averaged 13.7ppg 9.8apg 4.4rpg
which is good, but still far less to steve nash's 16.5ppg 11apg 3.3 rpg, at 37 years OLD!!
Rajon Rondo, can be good and better than Nash, but he still has alot more years to go
As for billups,
The guy is a final's mvp, a 5x all-star, his best season, with detroit was
18.5ppg 8.6apg 3.1rpg , he's scored over 14,000 points in his career, had over 5,000 assists in his career, and has played for 13 years
compare that to rondo's 3,378 points, 2,143 assists, rondo's is nothing
I believe rondo will be better tha billups at some point, i dont know about nash
But even with that, rondo is still too young, and it is still to early to say that
rondo is better than two future hall of famers
how did he torch rondo? he had 2 good games and 4 very bad ones. through the first 3 games he had 7 assists and 10 TOs. He was not a playmaker.
Max, every PG has weaknesses.
Nash cannot play Defense to save his life
CP3 is small and always get killed on postups
D. Will is not clutch
Also, please prove this statement to me that you said- One more thing, that first championship ring he won doesn't mean anything bc he didn't even play in the 4th quarter during the entire playoffs that year so he did not contribute to the game when it really counted
Hinrich is a very good defender. The only problem is that he has to take on the opposing team's best player. He has to guard Wade, Pierce, LeBron, etc. He has made a couple of 2nd and 3rd team all defensive teams.
Rondo torches him every time they play. Nash is a better shooter and has as good court vision as Rondo, but Rondo is much better at everything else.
I don't think Kirk Hinrich is even close to the defender Rondo is. Like, at all. Hinrich is very a solid defender, but to put Kirk Hinrich as an elite defender at the PG position is vastly overrating him. He also in no where near good off the ball either, especially when it comes to getting steals. Rondo defends at a high level on the ball and then gets you 2.3 spg and you say KIRK HINRICH is a better defender? I have my doubts.
Rondo is nice but how many of these great point guards we have mentioned would not have at least one ring if they were on Boston. Boston has nice team and have some really solid players and a bench. Rondo has yet to have to carry a team by himself even though because he is younger he tends to make things happen when his other players seem worn out but you have to take in account the whole situation.
He is the PG that makes the Celtics offense go. If they had to start Nate Robinson with the 3 HOFers then they wouldn't of made it out of the 1st round. Rondo is legit and is debatable as the best PG in the game.
Jameer only averaged 12 points a game this season and he had three 20+ point games that series. Hes a horrible playmaker so hes not gonna get many assists anyways.
He is the Celtics most important player. Take him off the team, and the Celtics are worse than they would be if one of the "Big Three" left.
every year people say its a different point guard. one year its Williams next its Paul. but it really comes down to who has the better team
So you agree that Nelson didn't torch Rondo?