Ron Artest elbow to Harden
If ron can spin this as it looks like he is doing, and Harden is not that injured... I dont see him missing that many games. Did anyone leave the bench? You would expect after something like this that someone would leave the bench...
I have no idea how you can possiblily defend this. I hope he gets atleast 20+games for this. The league cannot stand to defend this hit by giving him 3 or so games. One of the most disgraceful things i have seen in sport., even by World Peace's standards.
OKC didnt do any after harden falls down. i wonder what tim thomas would have felt lol. metta world should be suspended this season. after all he could get a job at spartacus or game of thrones as a warrior
I just think people are getting so pissy about this because this is RON ARTEST we are talking about.
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Honestly, would anyone give a crap if this was Josh McRoberts or Jason Kapono? Don't lie, no they wouldn't.
All these people and sportswriters calling this a "dirty play" are just jumping on Metta because of his previous track record. They are idiots trying to get cheap fame.
I still think MWP is a good guy, and people are bound to do things they regret in the heat of the moment. I'd be happy beyond belief if I got to dunk on Durant and Ibaka at the same time.
This is all just another s hitstorm entirely created by the media and people that can't let go of the past.
even if Derrick Rose was the one who elbowed Harden, I'd still be mad at him and I'm a Derrick Rose d*ckrider...
The man shouldn't be allowed on an NBA court again. I don't care if it was wreckless/intentional/whatever you want to call it...it was clearly not inadvertent, and if he had caught him in the face, he could have done some serious damage.
I've never celebrated anything by flailing my elbows about like that. It's not a naturally comfortable position. Artest (I'm not calling him World Peace) knew he was about to hit somebody. He may not have been thinking, but that in itself doesn't justify what he did in any way.
Looking at the GIF above it looks blatent and intentional. He doesn't have to look there as he can feel Harden bump into him so he knows Harden is there. He isn't pumping his chest with his left arm, he is pulling it all the way back to with his hand going back behind his head (you can actually see it on the other side of his head in the giff). That is totally cocking the arm back to deliver an elbow. If that doesn't get slowed up by Hardens shoulder and neck a bit and instead had hit Harden flush on the temple, it could have killed Harden.
For the league and the Lakers the problem isn't this instance really. It is what happens if the next blow connects harder and a player is seriously injured or even killed. Eventually the player taking these shots (or their next of kin) is going to sue the pants off the Lakers and the League. And the rumble in the palace, this shot and the numerous other hard fouls, technicals and suspensions that Artest has picked up is going to make that case a slam dunk. The guy is a legal liability now and frankly he is just an average player. I don't think any team is really going to want to put him back on the court. The Lakers may have no choice because they are a championship contender with a very weak bench. And frankly, I think the league could come down real hard and suspend Artest for the entire playoffs. As for next season, I'd find a way to replace Artest and if I were a GM of another team, I wouldn't pick him up. The upside is you get a cheap average quality starter. The downside is that you loose him at a crucial moment and you embarass your franchise or even have to pay someone millions to settle a lawsuit. Artest the basketball player just isn't worth it.
I was watching First Take this morning and I do think Skip had a point though.
James Harden got in his way on purpose. Harden is known for flopping and he probably was trying to draw the foul. He's done this before.
Thing is, he got a little more than what he bargained for.
^^^Exactly what I was thinking. Vujacic used to do the same thing, often referred to as "Rage Against the Machine" by getting so close to the offensive pplayer so that they can't turn at all without bumping the defnder. I doubt Ron wanted to hurt Harden as he has actually become quite the humanitarian More of a GTFO of the the way dude that was harder than meant and just happened to hit James in the head as opposed to the shouler area which was probably where it was more than likely intended.
Damn, a day later and I just realized I put Jurt Rambis instead of Kurt . SMH
I agree with Indiana, Harden pretty obviously got in his way. People saying he should be "out of the league" and stuff are crazy.
You cant be serious?
If he was intending on elbowing Harden in the shoulder area than why does he elevate his elbow above his own shoulders? He raised the elbow to take out hardens head. It's pretty obvious. Heat of the moment or not, thats a dirty play. He knows Harden is there after being slightly bumped by him, so why would you throw your elbow in that direction and why would you raise it to about head level? Just because a player steps in front of you doesn't justify a dirty elbow to the head with a powerful windup from the opposite side of your body Thats also not in any way a type of celebration, I have never witnessed a celebration like that before.
And do you not think that if you just unintentionally elbowed someone in the back of the head, you might turn around and look at what you just accidentaly did? Especially if it was a powerful elbow as well, which it was. Watch the video and you see Ron Artest run away awkwardly like he didn't even feel contact.
Guys, it was a stupid move in the Heat of the moment. 4 games seems good to me, but it's not that big of a deal. What I'm about to say is very confusing, but it was intentional and unintentional a the same time. He wasn't trying to hurt anyone, but he did try to elbow someone. It ws stupid and he will get repremanded, he has apologized and admitted it "looks bad", but it's not that big of a deal, that is assuming Harden is OK.............
agree with the rest of you, i think because it's Ron Artest and the history he has, the NBA should exacerbate the penalty and suspend him for the year!
Harden on his side should not feel so innocent, if you going with a beard like that you can't complain when things like that happened to you.
What heat of the moment are we talking here? How many times have anyone made a good basketball play on this board, and in the heat of the moment elbowed someone in the head after it? The truth is Metta has to live with the consequences, and it should be a lengthy suspension, and fine. There's no room for this on a basketball floor. I've talked some smack on the floor, but I've never elbowed anyone intentionally. There is no reason for his elbow to be above his shoulders, and flying at Harden's head.
Yes, but history MATTERS! It establishes a pattern of activity. Generally, the best predictor of future action is past action. Artest has been dangerous on more than one occassion and likely will be so again.
James used "harden"... it's not very effective.
Harden got in the way - AND?? Give him an elbow so he can pose after his dunk?
LOL. I LOVE this place.
Hey guys, 20 games is way too much for this. Here is what happened, a guy nudged him, he got made, and he threw an elbow without thinking. NOrmally I' give it 4 games, but because of how hard the hit was I'd say 5-6 games, but anywhere from 4-6 seems fine, but I hate how the media completely overreacts. It's not that big of a deal, that is assuming Harden is ok.
4-6 games is way too short in my opinion. If you give a guy a blow to the head like that and it's not even hard foul or a basketball move it needs to be more, especially if it's soneone like Ron Artest who's been suspended numerous times. I wouldn't let him play in the playoffs, which in the Lakers case would be about 7 or 8 games.
4 games? This is not Tayshaun Prince or Grant Hill throwing an accidental elbow, this is Ron Artest throwing a purposely thrown elbow to James Harden, not Daequan Cook or Reggie Jackson.
Harden got a concussion for God's sake... the most dangerous/common injury nowadays is a concussion and is exactly what we're trying to stop in football and hockey... now it's showing up in basketball and baseball too? Harden won't even play this next game and probably won't play the next.
Look at Sidney Crosby, got a conscussion last year and missed the last 40+ games of the season, this year he only played one-fourth of the season and was nowhere near his level of play just because of a concussion.
An elbow to the head is probably the most dangerous hit you can take in any sport. What if it would have hit his eye-socket and left his blind from one eye? His nose? His jaw? What if he would have hit James Harden on his temple and nearly killed him?
It's 10+ games.