I read this over on SB Nation and wondered what everyone here thought?
Rodman on North Korea...I don't know what topic he sounds more ignorant on.
I think in the context of that time period that Lebron would not be the dominant player he is, but certainly still a star. Rodman was one of the best defenders though and in his prime would give anyone headaches. I like anytime someone tells it like it is though (Jordan GOAT) and asks for no comparisons.
I think the fair thing is Lebron can be the MJ of this time period in terms of almost unstoppable with the ball in his hands, but that certainly involves a scenario where basketball players do not think the game the same or have the same skill as a result of rule changes and years of college honing skills (like FT's, shooting, passing, defense fundamental stuff) but are on par athleticism wise. LBJ is like Shaq in terms of just raw athleticism/ size combo that can't be matched and much of his dominance stems from that unparalleled ability and size.
Let's please not give this retarded article attention. Anyone who claims LeBron is/was/could/will be an average player should immediately be banned to talk about basketball again.
Obviously Lebron would still be a very very good player back then, I don't think he would've been AS good as he is today. Especially in the first 7 years or so of his career, he just didn't have the mental makeup that stars in the 80s and 90s had. And if there's anyone in NBA history that could guard Lebron on the perimeter or in the post, it's Rodman. I just don't think he'd be able to score on Lebron either, so it would end up being a shootout, which Lebron would probably win.
Got to love Rodman. He definitely went overboard, but I do have to agree LeBron wouldn't be as effective in the 80s & 90s, but he would still be an all star caliber player, not just "average". You also have to consider back then no one flopped, and it was much much much more physical, LeBron would not be getting away with the shenanigans he does these days, he'd get knocked on his ass, but he'd still get his too.
You guys have to take into account that the NBA was much more edgy back then and LeBron would fall into that category. If he was raised in that 80s and 90s NBA with the Jordan Rules and other things like that he would be a much more mentally tougher player due to the fact that everyone around him is mentally tough. I really hate when people compare era's to each other because there is no telling who can do what in what era. I've heard people say Larry Bird wouldn't be effective in this, but I honestly believe that is just based purely on the lack of dominate white american players in this era. Comparing era's is pointless and should not be done.
Yea it was more physical back in the 80s and 90s, but wouldn't that be good for Lebron? He's the strongest guy out there.
And yet "flop" has become his middle name.
i think its an absurd statement. In my opinion sports has continued to evolve over the years so much its just hard to imagine. When Lebron came in the league in 03 there had never been anything like him. A guy who was built like Karl Malone and with speed and athleticism of the top guards in the league. He would have easily dominated the game in the 90's as well. I trust Pippen way more than i do Rodman, back when Miami was playing the Bulls Stephen A. Smith said on first take he asked Pip how he thought he'd fair against him and that Pippen responded by shaking his head and saying "he's got me by 40 lbs." Every generation athletes continue to get better its just how it is. I heard a retired player earlier on ESPN say that maybe 1 or 2 guys on the team even stuck with a weight lifting regimen in the 90's, it just wasn't something basketball players did. Take football for example a guy like Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson or a DE like JPP, these guys would dominate the sport if you were to insert them in a game 20 years ago. Now in no way am i saying Lebron is better than Jordan or anything alike. MJ is the greatest and is going to be for the next few decades atleast IMO, but to say Lebron would be an average guy in the 90's is laughable. Its just another retired player salty about not being in the limelight anymore, reminds me of the bears when the Pats were going undefeated or some other HOFer thats about to lose a record to someone currently playing.
personally i think he would have found a way to adjust and still be a superstar
Lebron would be an all star in any era. Rodman is just trying to get his name mentioned in the media again.
This isn't the first time Rodman has made this kind of statement... back when he was with Detroitandthey were battling the Celtics for the eastern conference he said if Larry Bird wasn't white he'd just be another basketball player so you have to take he says with a grain of salt.
Lebron would have scored less in the 90s, but would have been a more effective defender. What made Rodman such a great rebounder/defender was the fact that you could get away with some serious contact back then. Rodman's game may not even more applicable to today's league... who knows.
Lebron is such an athlete with defensive instincts he would have thrived in that setting.
Rodman is an idiot. Lebron would be more dominant in the 90s for one because a single player would have had to guard him no zone defense. Who can guard Lebron one on one no one. Then if you tried to double back then someone was wide ass open. Rodman is retarded he proved that with the north Korea comments this just confirms that. Also rodman was a ggreat defender but there is no way he guards lebron.
Lebron would've been an animal in the 80's just like he is now. He literally can do everything and he's got the size, strength and athleticism to play at an elite level with any group of players. He hardly does ANY aspect of basketball at an average level, so to say he would be average is a silly statement
Would have still been pretty unstoppable. He is Magic Johnson on Roids. Magic posted up guards all day. Bron could've played the Magic roll but would have been way more explosive. Magic at 6'9 226 stayed in the lanes in the 80's and 90's. What do you think lebron would do when the average 3 weighted 210 and was 6'6 to 6'8.
You adjust to the current style of the game.
Back in the day, physicality was the name of the game and guys like Jordan, Rodman, Malone, and others adjusted to that type of style.
On the other hand, today's game is about finesse and sadly flopping. I think if LeBron was born in the 60s/70s and played in the 80s/90s, he would adjust to that current style and he would still thrive.
I mean, can you imagine a 6'9 270lb all muscle player playing physically? I actually think LeBron might have been better had he grew up with that style of play.
Of course the "average" statement is ridiculous. But could the Worm have checked Lebron? Yes. Definitely. Kept him under 15. No, of course not. But been at least as good a defender as K. Leonard did in game 1. Yes, the Worm could have done that. Lebron would not be dominate if he were being checked by Rodman. Rodman's final statement is the most accurate. "Most of the time, my team wins." Rodman has a crazy win percentage for his career. Plenty of titles, lots of wins over the course of a career over many different teams and he brought rebounding and defense. Lebron would not have liked going up against Rodman for a series. But of course Lebron would have been dominate in any decade.
Rodman is underated. Rebounding is important. Defense is important. And Rodman rebounded better than ANYONE. And he could guard anyone from 2s to 5s. Lebron would be right in his sweet spot, size and speed wise. Rodman would make a difference in any series against Lebron.
"Lebron would not be dominate if he were being checked by Rodman"
I'm sure you could say, "________ would not be dominant if he were being checked by Rodman" for just about any swingman in the league in any era. Hell, I'm sure even Jordan had trouble with Rodman
Lol average in the 90's that would be Bosh he got the wrong guy.
Stop the nonsense Lebron would be great in any era especially the way he's played the last few years.
People forget he wasn't 250-260 in his early yrs and still was special just didn't have the perimeter game.
Imagine Lebron playing in the 80s in the Western Conference he'd put up crazy sick numbers.
Rodman needs to stop he wasn't the best defender ever, Shaq put up 27 a game making 64% of his shots against the Bulls in 96 and Rodman played him a lot and this was Shaq at just 24 not his prime.
Kemp dominated him in the regular season a lot and the 96 Finals.
Karl Malone played well against him in 2 Finals with some big games.
Barkley always had big games against the Pistons both when he was in Philly and Phoenix.
Not to mention he did nothing to slow down Olajuwon in 95 when he smoked the Spurs.
None of these HOF players had the perimeter game that Lebron has.
Also last I checked Rodman wasn't exactly Pippen or Bruce Bowen defending players on the perimeter.
LeBron would be even more physically dominant in the '80s and '90s. The players today are even bigger and more athletic. Plus, it was much harder to double in the post, so LeBron probably would have become a dominant post player even earlier. The level of play is higher today than it ever was, Rodman is just trying to promote his own legacy.
If Lebron would be average,is he saying every other wing player in the nba would be below average? I dont agree with Rodman,but thats him being controversial.I do love how he always has his former teammate mj's back in all interviews.
cocaine is a hell of a drug.....i wonder what lebrons opinions are on rodman hmm
He wouldn't be the superstar that he is today, but he would still be a name player. I'd say he'd have about the same recognition of a Clyde Drexler: "star" player who was a top 20 guy for most of his career.
Where's Luc Longley's opinion? Bill Wennington's?
Rodman must've made that statement after another 1 of his drinking binges....Anyone that watched basketball in the 80s, would tell you if Lebron had played then,he would be even better then he is today...
Lebron's game is a combination of Jordan & Magic Johnson..So imagine a 6'8 forward with the speed of a point guard and the strength of a center,playing in the nba during a time when players werent as athletic as they are today.....I think he might've had to deal with much more physical play..But he still would've been a monster....
I can't stand LeBron, but even I think he'd have been better than just average. He'd have still been a superstar IMO. He'd be the biggest, most athletic, enduranced and fastest wing/forward/guard in the game and still have his unique passing/vision gift. I've never bought LeBron being this amazing defender, but I do think he's a very good defender who's versatile. It'd be no different if he played back then. He could defend Magic, Jordan, Bird/Pippen or attempt to bang with Malone/Barkley.
I question LeBron's mental strength and his overall skill/fundamentals, but I think he'd have still been a superstar back then and easily.
Lebron could barely guard David West for more than a few series in a row, because it was taking too much of a toll on him. I don't think he could bang with Malone or Barkley for a whole game. I understand Lebron is a physical specimen, but people have to stop acting like he's "270" (I've heard people say they think he's even more than that). What makes people think he's 270? He's listed at 250 and I would be surprised if he even plays at that. For an idea, Pekovic plays at about 275 and if you think Lebron is even within 20 lbs. of Pek you are insane. People see Lebron's huge arms and think he's built like an NFL d end, but he's not. He has little to no body fat and is actually skinny through his mid section and lower body, which is what allows him to be as athletic as he is. People acting like he would physicallly dominate players in the 80's and 90's are being delusional.
I didn't post he could for an entire game and notice I also posted "attempt" to bang with Barkley and Malone.
Players weights are rarely updated or accurate. People say Lebron is 260 or so because guys like his trainer say he is 260 with 5% body fat. His teammates say he 260 as well.
But running the offense and banging on defense is too hard. I guess. And guarding West is no joke. Especially in a game where hi best is throwing his weight around.
What Rodman said about Lebron being Average if he played in the 80s is BS....But Rodman was right when he said teams like the Webber lead Warriors and Dominique Wilkens Hawks would be better then some of today's top teams....
Being physical is a mental thing. Lebron complains a lot now. That wouldn't fly then. Who is to say he has the mental make up to push through it. Getting beat up and regular fouls being called....no flagrants, night in night out. I seen it, superstars knuckling up with each other at the drop of a dime. There were obviously bounties and enforcers on teams that were about their business. Could he have played against the bad boys had they had the "Lebron rules". It is more so about that then anything imo......
I agree with Indiana I don't see Lebron as this great defender.
Who has he shut down for a game Paul George.
I've seen Melo kill him in some games back when he was on Denver and even with the Knicks.
Also he doesn't cover bigs that much anyway.
Obviously LeBron wouldn't have been average back then, but his game wouldn't come as easy to him. Defenses were allowed to do A LOT of things they can't do now. It isn't a question of LeBron adjusting, it's a question of LeBron's game being as effective if he doesn't get so many of those 50/50 touch calls.
Also, remember, the 90s were filled with "tough" teams that beat the hell out of each other, in basketball terms, and in just breaking off into brawls on the side terms. This the LBJ who won't ever touch anyone because he's *beyond fighting and here to ball* which is admirable, but couldn't seem anymore narcissistic, when Jordan gave absolutely no f*cks when it came to getting into it with guys, but I guess that's because his competitive nature was just a different animal than LBJ's.
And the biggest question to me is, does this comparison include the possibility of those Bulls teams being there? Because taking everything I said above and topping that off with the fact going up against JORDAN, RODMAN, and PIPPEN would have made it even harder for LeBron to get some calls, because those guys were getting all of them.