ROBERT NKEMDCHE...possibly best Defensive End in past 10 years!!! (Jadeveon Clowney is the other)
Kids a beast...17 year old junior in high school...6-foot 5-inches...275lbs...benches 340lbs...squats 500lbs...power cleans 340lbs...runs a 4.6 second 40-yard dash... ESPN First Team All-American...and the kicker...for MIKEYV that is...he is interested in OREGON!!!!...lol
Even if you don't know football...if you look at the first video....his speed and athleticism litearally JUMPS off the screen. Dude also tote's the rock!!!
Anyways...Happy Holidays Everybody!!!
Definitely know about Robert Nkemdiche, he appears to be an incredibly unique talent. Clowney has more speed given his size, but he did not have the strength of this kid. Should be special. He is from Georgia and I know he apparently has us listed, like a lot of top players right now, but he will be a super long shot and miracle grab.
Hey, do not sleep on Thomas Tyner though. He already committed to us and has insane speed and size for a RB. He is 6'0 and 207 (at least listed as such), plus his high 100 was a 10.38. As a sophomore! He had issues this year with some injuries, but he is doing fine now and should be good for track. Either way, this kid looks like an incredible fit for our offense. I do not remember seeing someone win a short distance race like this:
Nkemdiche definitely looks like the best player in 2013, but I bet he sticks to the south. Hate to say it, but if he gets out of the SEC, would be shocked. As long as he does not go to one of the schools that never wins (ie. South Carolina. I say that with the knowledge of them having Lattimore on offense and Clowney on defense. It is just not happening for South Carolina. For real), he will probably be making a good decision. Georgia? Would think the Bulldogs might have the best chance.
For this years class, I think Dorial Green-Beckham is the best overall talent, bar none. I know that not everyone has him ranked #1 overall prospect, but I think he has to be one of the best receiver prospects I have ever seen. Will be incredibly surprised if this kid is not a superstar.
I know Scout.com has Arik Armstead ranked #1, but they have him ranked at a position he will not play! That guy is 100% going to play defense in college. Confusing, seeing that he has a body built for playing O-Line, but he is a great athlete. He wants to play basketball too and I am sure he will be a solid role player. Speaking of which, Dorial can ball too. Pretty sure he is sticking to just football.
Zero chance he runs a 4.6 at 275. I know that link says that but that's an exaggeration.
I'm with MVtD. He's gonna stay in SEC country.
BTW MVtD, how the hell do you know so much about HS football prospects? Dayuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmm son!
Much like my friend paradigmn, I like knowing the "next best thing". I like knowing guys who the Ducks are getting and knowing who the competition is looking at as well. I guess you could say following HS basketball has been a thing I have been doing for a long time and the same goes with football. Believe me, I do a lot of research, plus my memory is not horrible.
I have no idea what most of these guys run in the 40, I think 40's are slightly overrated. Instinct, vision and technique are hard to measure, so people turn to 40's to show elite speed. Of course there are elite players who run ridiculously fast 40's, but even if Nkemdiche doesn't run a 4.6, he is still fast as hell for his size.
The 40's purpose was mainly for special teams to begin with, as they figured if a player runs a 4.5 40, they would be able to get to a punt returner during the hang time of a punt. Since than, it has become the single most over blown statistic in recruiting and draft circles. Their is a technique to it and I honestly feel when you are playing football, that technique that gets you a fast 40 blows out the window.
Here is my question with some of these players: Do you think the program they goes to matters? Guess what I am trying to say is, their is no real way of measuring which programs are necessarily the best at coaching talent, not to mention all prospects are different in how they will develop, not to mention the injuries they sustain or their mentality.
For football, though, I think certain programs fit players better than others. If you want to base the rankings on next level success, as I think you can only really measure college success for most football prospects, than I think program could definitely matter. Maybe I am just bitter because I feel Oregon prospects get ranked to low more often than not, but football success is so difficult to measure.
Personally, I think football rankings usually tell you incredibly little in terms of who the best players at set positions will actually be. There are exceptions to the rule, Robert Nkemdiche certainly seems to be one, and certain guys just stand out as studs. It is simply amazing though if you look at some of the old rankings and the amount of top guys that never panned out. Plus, when you look at most recruiting classes you get 1/3 who exceed expectations, 1/3 who live up to expectations and 1/3 who do incredibly little or are below expectations.
Ducks have had top recruits who are amazing, top recruits who become pretty average and ones that never end up cracking the line-up. We had 5 stars who are now NFL guys, Haloti Ngata (best NT in the league, was considered best DT in his HS class or close to it), Jonathan Stewart (One of the best RB's in the nation when he signed with us. The first time he touched the football at our home stadium, as a special teams player not even lined up as a returner on a kick-off, he returned it for a TD. Needless to say, Jonathan was and still is awesome, though Cam Newton has cut his carries big time) and now we have De'Anthony Thomas (who is bat $hit crazy and a future Heisman trophy winner in the making).
But, some of our best players were 2-3 star players. Patrick Chung (2-star, Pats starting safety and one of the only good parts on their defense), Dante Rosario (2-star, TE for the Denver Broncos, bailed Tebow out in one game), Max Unger (2-star, Seahawks OL, Probably best O-Lineman we have had since I went to U of O), Jairus Byrd (2-star, CB/S for the Buffalo Bills. Led NFL in INT's as a rookie, was named to the Pro Bowl and was runner-up for Defensive Rookie of the Year after Brian "Test positive for PED's and win by even more during the 2nd vote" Cushing. Just caught a touchdown pass from Tim Tebow! Of course, it was called an "INT TD", but it must be every kids dream right now!) and my favorite, LaMichael James (3-star, 40th RANKED RB!? HOW? People knew this kid was special. Just an insane oversight. To be fair, some how Mark Ingram was 58th as well. But, tell me any of the 5 star RB's had half the career of these two players).
Just goes to show, it is always awesome to get a huge name, but sometimes these hidden gems turn out to be even better. LaMichael James turned out to be one of the best college RB's of All-Time in my opinion. He is 10th in total rushing yards since 2000 (For some reason college football reference only has stats since than) with 4923, which would be good enough for 4th all-time in the Pac-12, in just 3 years! I am pretty sure he is near the top 20 in All-Time rushing yards in just the 3 years, this kid is incredible. Really looking forward to the showdown between LaMichael James and Montee Ball. Should be a great one, I will be there! Boo ya! Merry NBAmas!
I do not remember seeing someone win a short distance race like this:
Haha I love using the (), but I think you may have stretched it a little far with:
"Jairus Byrd (2-star, CB/S for the Buffalo Bills. Led NFL in INT's as a rookie, was named to the Pro Bowl and was runner-up for Defensive Rookie of the Year after Brian "Test positive for PED's and win by even more during the 2nd vote" Cushing. Just caught a touchdown pass from Tim Tebow! Of course, it was called an "INT TD", but it must be every kids dream right now!)"
Although I agree with everything you said give or take a few words.
Def agree with what you said Mikey...Good Post!!!
40 Time: It's def a "bells n whistles" statistic...looks good...but overated. Football has soooo many tests they put on player's, it does tend to get out of hand. For the most part they are useful though. Agility timed drills at the combine for example. Very effective in getting a good gauge on player's (especially the big boys...DL & OL) athleticism, agility, quickness, etc,etc.
Excelling at Different Programs: What if De'Anthony Thomas played at...ummm....Nebraska for example. First of all...he would play well of course...the kid is a STUD!!! Def a dual threat. I would say he is more dangerous as a WR than a RB (I like him catching out of the backfield though). But Nebraska is traditionaly a ground and pound team with a run first QB. He just wouldn't excell as much in that program. You can literally visualize how the Huskies style of football would take away from De'Anthony's skills.
Ranking Player's: With sooooo many prospects in football & basketball....I basically view rankings as an "organization" tool. It is funny to look at the past player's to see how they panned out. I would agree with your ratio of success to failure Mikey. There is no question that rankings in football are much more volitaile than rankings in basketball though. For the most part....you know what you are getting with b-ball prospects. Football....not nearly as much.
Hopefully he stays healthy, but I am super excited about Thomas Tyner's prospects. He and De'Anthony Thomas together are going to be one hell of a combination. Going to be thunder, lightning and the God Zeus' wrath on a nation. In other words, our backfield might be even more nucking futs than it is right now.
You mentioned ARIK ARMSTEAD Mikey...He might be starting college in January.
I am sure you already know Oregon is in contention and they said he could play basketball there as well.
He's got till January 17th to make a decision.
He would be a huge get (literally and figuratively), but it is looking like he is a long shot for us as well. Cal appears to be in the lead. Basketball definitely seems to be important for him, but he is a legit PF/C at the college level due to his size and athleticism. He apparently has ridiculously long arms, which would be one reason that OT would probably be his best position. Arik's recruitment was pretty ridiculous and it sounded like he was pretty high maintenance (Think he is a nice kid, but he needed a lot of attention).
I think we finally decided all of his stipulations were not worth it and looked in a different direction. For one, he is hoping to play with his brother, Armond, who would apparently have one year of eligibility. Armond is at USC, but apparently got screwed over. He also plays DE, but I have no idea how they pull off having him switch teams in conference. I know Mike Brey wanted him to be playing basketball RIGHT NOW, but I think they are out as well.
Tosh Lupoi, Cal's D-Line coach, was pretty committed and seems that they are definitely the favorites. Guessing Mike Montgomery must be cool with it as well. Arik definitely looks like a stud, but luckily, we have a few lesser ranked cats who seem a lot more low maintenance and have excellent size and athleticism as well. DeForest Bucker, who is 6'7 and about 250 or so, should commit to us at the Semper Fi All-Star game. Not to mention, we have 5 other guys 6'6 and over.
One is Stetzon Bair, who is a major JUCO sleeper. His brother, Brandon, was a fantastic DE/DT for us last season and plays for the KC Chiefs. He has 4 years to play 3 and is 6'9/265 supposedly. Not to mention, like his brother, he went on a Mormon Mission. Those guys come back older, more mature and like new Oregon hero Mark Asper (who saved a guy from choking at the Lowry's Beef Bowl using the Heimlich maneuver), by the time he graduates, he might be 24-25. If that is the case, it may not help his draft stock, but it will help our football team a lot.
I take back every bad thing I said about Arik Armstead. He is now a Duck and I am incredibly ecstatic to have him aboard. He really seems like a great kid and I am incredibly happy he decided to come to play for Oregon. GO DUCKS!
The Clippers look improved from last season, at least on paper. Their Game 7 win on the road in Memphis to advance to the second round of the playoffs was a big step for a team that was lottery-bound for many years.
Congrats on the Armstead signing!!!
Looks like atleast 500 people don't share your same enthusiasim.
After Arik's decision...apparently he lost 500 twitter followers...lol
Twitter can be a powerful welcome mat for the harsh real world. Just as prep football superrecruitArik Armstead.
Like a number of top football recruits, Armstead has a thoroughly preposterous amount of Twitter followers. The son of NFL legend Jesse Armstead, Arik Armstead is one of the top ranked prospects both at his position and among all positions nationwide (feel free to check out how he compares to some of the other big names making their decisions today at Rivals.com's incredibly comprehensive national signing day coverage right here). The younger Armstead complements on overwhelming on field success with flashes of real personality and occasional humor on Twitter.
Yet, like most top prep football players, Armstead got most of his nearly 5,000 followers because of interest in where he would play college football. So, when the Elk Grove (Calif.) Pleasant Grove High star finally announced he would take his talents to Oregon, he received a sudden and stunning decrease in followers.
In fact, let Arik tell you himself, via Twitter of course:
Lost 500 followers 2day hehehe
That's right, Armstead lost more than 1 out of every 10 followers he had gained during the recruiting process just by doing exactly what the followers were most interested in (and perhaps influencing with their own Tweets to him): Picking a school.
Perhaps that only makes sense, and perhaps it's all for the best, both for Armstead's future and what he can take away from the experience. Clearly the massive 6-foot-8, 280-pound teen isn't worrying too much about any lost attention or Twitter traffic by those who might have been offended -- or bored -- by his commitment to Oregon.
Yet, at the very least, the incident provides a fascinating window into how Twitter provides direct access and influence on recruits in a way that other social media services haven't in the past. The lack of barriers to access for players who refuse to protect their Tweets -- and let's be honest, how many teens actually protect their Tweets? -- allows fans access to malleable teenage athletes in a way that hasn't been (and perhaps shouldn't be) possible.
It also creates scenarios where players' fragile egos can be swayed by the rapid fluctuation in their number of followers, a statistic which almost serves as a postmodern status symbol for budding football talents. Luckily, Armstead didn't seem to mind, but who knows if other players are as easily amused by their followers' indifference.
I love Oregon's football program because of what they do with they're uniforms is awesome. They also play a fun and fast brand of football. I'm from Philly and a lot of people I know like Oregon just because everytime they're on TV they have some crazy and hot looking uni's on. I still can't believe the Eagles drafted Casey Mathews in the 4th round tho and thought he could be a starting MLB from day one.
And it's entirely possible to run a 4.6 at 270 it just depends on your body composition. Everybody carries weight different. And football is incredbly hard to gauge talent. Even after playing 4 years of college you can't be sure whose going to contribute at the next level. Even at positions where you think pure athleticism can carry you like WR you are wrong ask the Raiders.
It;s also weird in football how some players end up playing certain positions. I know if your tall and athletic Penn State will throw at Linebacker where other schools might put you on the DLine or even T.E.
Pretty sure he is his biological father as well, considering his last name is Armstead. I think twitter has less influence on these guys than one would think. Not to mention, he will surely pick up more followers once he finally PLAYS college football. Would not be surprised if this happens often and I think it is better that they dropped him rather than badgered and slandered him, as tends to be the case quite often.
Arik said he chose us because we actually decided to, hear is a new thing, GIVE HIM SPACE! We did not constantly pester him with calls and go against his request of having some time to think things through. Chip Kelly was honest with him, saying he might indeed eventually leave for the NFL, but either way our program is incredibly strong regardless of who takes over.
One other thing is, we did not negative recruit. Instead of bashing other programs and telling them what they could not offer or do for him, we just showed what we had to offer and where we planned to use him. It worked wonderfully and I am very happy with what Arik said about the way we recruited him. Looking like we are having a great class and I will here more tonight at the signing day party I am attending. Chip Kelly should be there and he will break things down. We may not have the best class right now (Alabama, Texas, Florida State seem to be the consensus for that), but we end up churning out players that surpass the hype on a level of the best programs in the nation. GO DUCKS!
Here is our current class:
Jake Rodrigues (Already in school, broke his ankle in HS play-offs. Super underrated and tough as nails)
Jeff Lockie (Seems very under the radar. Won Player of the Year in same HS division as Cal's Zach Kline)
Byron Marshall (One of the best RB's in the nation, dual threat. Older brother Cameron started for ASU, finishing with 1050 yards and 18 TD's this year. Byron is considered a better prospect)
Bralon Addison (Considered one of the best WR prospects in the nation, an open field terror. Switched from Texas A&M)
Dwayne Stanford (6'5 wideout, could see immediate time. Supposed to be a possession guy who could be huge blocking for our offense)
Chance Allen (Sleeper, switched from Oklahoma State. 6'2 and 190, excellent size to start and close with Addison)
Kyle Long (JC guy who probably only has one year to play one. Still, son of Howie Long and brother of Chris Long, he is 6'7 and 300 OT. Should start right away and seems to have legit NFL aspirations)
Arik Armstead (Ranked by almost everyone as an OT, he has a passion for defense. Scout.com calls him one of the best OT prospects they have ever seen, but he should be an incredibly disruptive force at the middle and strong side of our defense)
Alex Balducci (Listed by most as a strong side DE, seems like he will move inside to the DT. Should work out beautifully, this guy is a great athlete and nasty)
Stetzon Bair (6'9 and 270, this guy is a BIG time sleeper. His brother Brandon was fantastic for us during our National Championship runner-up finish and now plays in the NFL. Already has been on a Mormon mission and he has 4 years to play 3)
DeForest Buckner (6'7 and 250, considered by many the top prospect in Hawaii. DeForest is also a basketball player, but I think Armstead will be the guy playing on the team. Nonetheless, has drawn comparisons to our current disruptive drop end, Dion "The Praying Mantis" Jordan)
Cody Carriger (6'6 and 230, noticing a trend? Another big, athlete who could play possibly at LB or be another drop end)
TJ Daniel (6'5 or so and is considered a flat out athlete. Could even possibly play TE, but again might be in line for weakside DE or drop end)
Brett Bafaro (Oregonian kid, total athletic beast who was sought by a few big Pac-12 schools. Said to run a 4.5, is our only "true" LB in the class after losing one to UCLA and another to Texas. Regardless, had a major class at the position last year and Brett looks to have a bright future)
Eric Amoako (A big corner or safety who has fantastic instincts and a great head on his shoulders. Was said to be a shut down corner for his HS, Martin in Texas)
Stephen Amoako (What is better than one shut down corner? How about a duplicate? Stephen is another fast athlete like his twin brother, very excited to see how the twins end up doing. Big corners and they seem like great kids, feel they are probably underrated)
Reggie Daniels (6'2 Safety out of Arizona was one of the better gets in the class. Have heard he is nasty and seems to have major upside)
Oshay Dunmore (Parade All-American from tiny Newport, Oshay is probably going to be a safety. Played QB in HS and is seen as one of the better all-purpose players in the nation. Also one of the nations best Decathlete's, he will run track as well and could play a number of different positions for us)
Dylan Ausherman (JC kid who has 4 years to play 3, apparently really solid. Should step in for Jackson Rice, one of this years Ray Guy finalists, after his senior season next year)
We may be done, but still a couple names floating out there to bolster what already looks to be an amazing class for the Ducks.
Congrats on the Armstead signing!!!
I'm with MVtD. He's gonna stay in SEC country.
“There are a lot of new faces, lot of new players, it does take time to jell,” newcomer Elton Brand said as the team kicked off camp. “I think starting training camp early and going to Europe will give us a chance to jell and mesh and be beneficial for us. There are a lot of guys on one-year deals.
The reigning eighth place champs in the West should be the favorite heading into the upcoming season to hold onto to the final playoff spot in the Western Conference. Last season, Utah won it’s final five regular season games – including impressive victories over the Dallas Mavericks and Phoenix Suns – to earn a postseason trip and first-round sweep at the hands of the San Antonio Spurs.
That's pretty cool