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Report: Knicks to make offer for Melo; Denver will undoubtedly decline

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The New York Knicks will offer Danilo Gallinari, Eddy Curry and a future first-round draft pick for Denver Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, the team’s flagship radio station reported.

Anthony, a National Basketball Association All-Star who averaged 28.2 points per game last season, is trying to force his way out of Denver, where he has a year remaining on his contract, ESPN reported today. ESPN 1050, the network’s New York radio station, said the Knicks’ potential offer involves Gallinari and Curry’s expiring $11.3 million contract.
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I have written this time and time again, but Knicks rumors are just so precious. Danilo "Bad back and all the best 42 percent shooter in NBA history" Gallinari, Eddy Curry, and a first round pick four years in the future (2014 would be the soonest they can deal a first round pick) for Carmelo Anthony and his 28 points per game. Seriously, the difference between this deal and letting him walk is Danilo Gallinari. "Hey Denver, why would you want to put off being a 20-win team again, you can be it this year too."


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If Denver accepts that deal,

If Denver accepts that deal, they must be drunk or high.

The Knicks think they an get any superstar. How are they going to get Chris Paul and Carmelo if they have no draft picks and the only "kind of" talented players they have on their roster are Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Anthony Randolph. Keep dreaming Knicks fans and front office.

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Houston, Orlando and New

Houston, Orlando and New Jersey could all do better deals with Denver for them to get more talent.

The question: Would Melo sign a extension with another team besides NY if he was traded elsewhere?

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Not a chance

People thought the Pau trade was lopsided
This would blow that trade out of the water

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Wow.. NY is freaking crazy if

Wow.. NY is freaking crazy if they think they can get Melo without giving up some of the best guys on their team.. Curry isnt going to fetch them anything worth talking about.. I think the best thing that they can do with him, is just let him expire... The only way they would get Melo is to offer Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and Randolph to go along with a first round pick... That gives the Nuggets a starting PF, SF, and maybe SG to go along with a good backup PG.. Then they could deal Billups for something worth talking about and start this team over...

NY really overvalues their players...

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There are tons of teams that

There are tons of teams that can offer much more talent than this........

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You realize the Nuggets dont

You realize the Nuggets dont have much leverage here.

Its best to trade him now before he just walks.

If Carmelo goes on record of saying he is gonna go to New York Denver pretty much has to do that deal.

And are other teams willing to give up that much for someone who could be a one year rental?

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And are other teams willing

And are other teams willing to give up that much for someone who could be a one year rental?

That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying Denver should take that deal. I wouldn't but is Houston, Orlando etc willing to take him for a year just to lose him. The question has to be: How much does he want to go to NY?

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If no other offers come on

If no other offers come on from other teams right now couldnt they just do this exact same deal as a S&T in July if Carmelo is set on going to NY. Maybe DEN can make another deep run who knows, but Melo doesnt strike me as a guy that is going to sacrifice that extra year and 30 million in FA

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"The question: Would Melo

"The question: Would Melo sign a extension with another team besides NY if he was traded elsewhere?"

Orlando has the assets and CBS Sports says he likes the Magic.

Vince Carter's semi-expiring contract ($4 million buyout after this season) matches up with that of Anthony. At that point, it is just a matter of making lesser contracts and picks match up. Marcin Gortat,
Daniel Orton, first round picks in 2011 and 2013, and possibly a third team to swap the assets of Orlando to other teams to assure the Nuggets of assets that might fit them better. If Denver moves Anthony, they are going to be bad next year. A decent return in a trade, what inevitably would be a top ten pick in 2011, and a boat load of cap space with Martin, Billups, and J.R. Smith expiring could get them healthier faster.

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but Melo doesnt strike me as

but Melo doesnt strike me as a guy that is going to sacrifice that extra year and 30 million in FA

Huh?

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new york is obvs. trying to

new york is obvs. trying to hit a homerun deal here.... but denver shouldnt accpet obvs.

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Im just saying its not like

Im just saying its not like Melo is going to be leaving town without doing a S&T so Denver will get something for him maybe even this same type of deal next offseason

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Im just saying its not like

Im just saying its not like Melo is going to be leaving town without doing a S&T so Denver will get something for him maybe even this same type of deal next offseason

If Denver thinks like that, might as well give him away. Isin't that the same thing EVERYONE said with Lebron?

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melo to the knicks

the nba need melo to go to ny. here is the deal. this deal is not about talent, its about flexibility for denver. they can keep chandler, walker, and 2011 first rounder, then sign free agents with the cap flexibility. remember, kenyon martin is comming of the books also. they will have the best cap flexibility in the league if they make this trade.

curry
chandler
walker
azabukie
turiaf
2011first round pick (pick is swapped with houston)

for
carmelo anthony
afflalo

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Yeah thats exactly what they

Yeah thats exactly what they said about Lebron and MIA got a S&T done with CLE

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Yea, for LeBron James...you

Yea, for LeBron James...you got

the 30th pick in 2 random draft and a 15 million TPE that would most likely not be used.

Good Job Cleveland.

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"2011first round pick (pick

"2011first round pick (pick is swapped with houston)"

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q74
The "Seven Year Rule" allows teams to trade draft picks up to seven years into the future (for example, if this is the 2008-09 season, then a 2015 pick can be traded, but a 2016 pick cannot). It is common to "protect" picks depending on their position (e.g. "we keep it if it's in the lottery, otherwise you get it"). This helps to avoid a repeat of some unfortunate past trades, such as the trade between the Cavs and Lakers where LA received what turned out to be the first overall pick in the 1982 draft, with which they selected James Worthy. It is common for these protections to relax over several years. For example, a team might convey its own pick in the first draft in which such pick is not a "Protected Pick," where a Protected Pick is defined as picks 1-14 in 2008; 1-10 in 2009; 1-6 in 2010; and unprotected in 2011. If the team owns one of the protected picks in 2008, 2009 or 2010, then they keep it; otherwise it is conveyed to the other team. If they make it to 2011 without having conveyed a pick, then the other team gets their 2011 pick unconditionally.

Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.

The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

"the nba need melo to go to ny."

Just like the NBA needed LeBron to go to NY.

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What was CLE supposed to do?

What was CLE supposed to do? Miami's draft picks were completely wiped out from that and the Bosh trade and they couldnt acquire any players from MIA cuz miami didnt have anyone to give up. CLE pretty much got all that they could from MIA.

And DEN will be able to get a better package than from NY than the one CLE got from MIA. Theyll be able to get some picks and maybe Danilo Chandler or Randolph assuming he would go to NY next year

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Eh, I would love Melo to join

Eh, I would love Melo to join the Knicks but right now, I want this process to continue.

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And DEN will be able to get a

And DEN will be able to get a better package than from NY than the one CLE got from MIA. Theyll be able to get some picks and maybe Danilo Chandler or Randolph assuming he would go to NY next year

No they wont. Melo could sign outright with NY and leave them with nothing if he wanted to.

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Another Thing, can we all

Another Thing, can we all agree he wants a trade and is interesting in going to New York.

When players or people have information they want to get out, it gets out. When they don't, it doesn't;

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Thats why exactly why I said

Thats why exactly why I said hes not going to leave 30 Mil on the table and on the other end NY would want to do a S&T as well to make it a 6 year deal instead of 5

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first of all, the knicks have

first of all, the knicks have pieces for denver, i really dont know what you guys are talking about. they could give danillo gallinari, and wilson chandler away, throw in andy rautins in as well.

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Mr Knick, I think your name

Mr Knick, I think your name rubs people the wrong way, the NBA doesnt 'need' the Knicks to be good, as Knicks fans have shown to be one of the more loyal fanbases in the league and they are still making a killing in season ticket sales.

Obviously this is a preliminary trade offer AT BEST. More likely its a little bit of leaked convo from Knicks heads that has nothing to do with Denvers view. This obviously wasn't an offer that was meant to be taken seriously, especially when the season hasn't started and time to build leverage on both sides is still available.

"I have written this time and time again, but Knicks rumors are just so precious." God I wish some other cities cared enough to have a News corp (not the company) as in depth and invasive as NY, then maybe we'd get every single trade rumor from Minnesota, or Sacramento, or Charlotte. On a serious note, its just that the market for these kinds of info is 8 million people in the City alone. 10-15 million less than 25 miles away. Thats a lot of eyeballs that are possibly interested in the local team. So obviously with papers like the Post and the Daily News, who are more likely to have ARod on the front cover than Bloomberg or Patterson, the sports rumors will be flying at all times.

And while this may NOT be obvious to some of you, this is the effect of being a New York frachise means that you will be talked about, period. So you can keep saying the same things about the different rumors that pop up, but its not going to change. Thats like me getting upset that half the country thinks Reagan was a saint and Reaganomics/trickle down economy works. There a lot of people with a lot of opinions.

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As for the trade, Curry, Any

As for the trade, Curry, Any 2 or 3 of Azubuike, Douglas, Chandler, Gallinari, and a first rounder, should get it done. But again, I have no idea what will happen.

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smart move by the

smart move by the knicks...you start out offering something small and work you're way up. good business move

with that said Denver doesn't have to make that deal and I'm sure there will be a couple teams willing to just rent melo for a season or willing to make a trade with Denver to get melo then try to convince him to stay and if not do a sign and trade to get draft picks or expiring contracts. there are so many scenarios so no one team should get too excited just yet

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The Knicks are trippin.

The Knicks are trippin. Danilo Gallinari and Eddy Curry for one of the best players in the league? More like Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, two 1st rounders, and Curry.

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they dont have any first

they dont have any first rounders for awhile

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i think what the Knicks need

i think what the Knicks need to try and do is make a 3 team trade with Philly and Denver, with Iggy going to Denver, and Mello going to New York (thats not my trade just major parts)

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now that you mentioned the

now that you mentioned the philly thing i wonder if they are gonna get in the melo sweep stakes....they have iggy and draft picks they can offer as well as thad young.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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"first of all, the knicks

"first of all, the knicks have pieces for denver, i really dont know what you guys are talking about. they could give danillo gallinari, and wilson chandler away, throw in andy rautins in as well."

Really? Does you honestly believe that Andy Rautins has any trade value? Seriously, as if Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler weren't enough 29-win team garbage you think they have to throw in a 24-year old second round pick whose professional debut consisted of shooting 32 percent in the summer league.

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I'd be mad as a fan if

I'd be mad as a fan if Iguodala went to the Nuggets, and Carmelo didn't play for Denver anymore. He'd be in a similar boat as the one he's already been in in Philly. I want Iguodala to play with a legit 1st option, not for him to have to be a 1st option anymore. He's already shown he's no more than a 1st round and out 1st option player.

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was that a knicks fan who

was that a knicks fan who said "gallo and chandler with andy as a throw in" would be a good trade?..lol

the sad part is if they had some first rounders this trade could happen because of how valuable draft picks are

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This is interesting and

This is interesting and something can possibly happen but I doubt it is this deal that was mentioned. I think stuff is being thrown out to see where the interest is. Ultimately, Melo will be in a Lebron type situation if Denver don't trade him in the regular season. The longer they wait the less leverage they have and then maybe all the can get is some draft picks and a trade exception.

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sad to say im the biggest

sad to say im the biggest knicks fan on this site.

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if that is truely the offer

if that is truely the offer from the knicks,and it is accepted, i will know for a fact that the NBA is turning into the WWE. Denver fades into the abyss,and New york is on prime time on sundays again....

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why would denver fade into

why would denver fade into the abyss..many teams have lost good players and rise form the ashes ..orlando when they lost shaq and then penny to injuries

chicago when they lost jordan and pippen

philly when they lost barkley

as long as there are drafts and free agents every year and trades teams will survive stars leaving

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The Knicks have quality wing

The Knicks have quality wing players esp. at SF on rookie contracts esp. Gallo that along with Mello wanting to play in NY is a big selling pt. Eddy Curry would be in the trade to balance out the salary difference thats all.
No team is going to give up top picks, quality young players for Mello as a 1 year rental they'll need be able to pay the big extension Mello will sign.
Can the Rockets afford realistically to pay Yao big money, Mello a max extension.
Also Brooks is a restricted free agent, Kevin Martin, Scola and Kyle Lowry are locked in fairly expensive contracts.
The Ariza deal actually put them in the conversation for Mello and of course having Courtney Lee helps.
Basically they'd be giving up a combo of Courtney Lee, Shane Battier, Jared Jeffires, Jordan Hill, Chase Budinger probably 3 or 4 of these guys.
The Nets have Derrick Favors but who else maybe Terrence Williams its doubtful the Nuggets want Devin Harris.
Only sure fire way for the Nets to get Mello would be to include Brook Lopez in a deal but does Mello want to play in Newark for 2 years doubtful, once again the Nets will lose out on another big name.

The Hornets foolishly gave up Darren Collison so would could they move Ariza, West and Belinelli but there PF would be Songalia than.

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20 wins for Denver no way

20 wins for Denver no way they'll definatey win more games than that.
Sorry but Mello isn't worth 30 wins.
Especially since they have numerous guys in contract years.
Harrington, Billups, J.R. Smith all can score.
Gallo if acquired and Affallo, Smith are very good shooters.
Also I think Denver would look to move some of their wing players for a big man as well.

This deal of Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and Randolph for Mello will never happen.
Walsh isn't stupid enough to give up all this for a guy he could possibly get in free agency or at the trade deadline for a lot less. This also negates the bench as the Knicks won't have a backup PG, PF, SF now.
I know Mello is great but why would u give up 3 young players who have upsides and Chandler who is still young.

Having Mello and Stat along w/ Felton, Mason, Azubuike, the Russian Center, Turiaf, Walker, and 3 2nd round picks won't make the Knicks an Eastern Conference Finals team this year.

This isn't baseball where you give up multiple prospects becaz the chance of them being stars isn't great.
Also as mentioned by someone earlier the Nuggets don't have much leverage here.

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Only thing is how many teams

Only thing is how many teams that Mello wants to play for have the cap room and/or trade pieces to get him.
Should be interesting to see how this folds.

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Would Denver want to take on

Would Denver want to take on Curry's deal unless the insurance could pay out? Kroenke is notoriously tight with the cash and another year of Melo and then maybe trying to do an S and T might be their best option. But do teams need to do an S and T to try and get an extra year or the players getting a bit more money. Miami gave up picks but then the players took less salary so no-one won. I'd say just sign the player straight up for 5 years and keep the picks to add complimentary players in future drafts. Also the player's old team has to agree to do an S and T and unless the terms are right might decide not to play ball to help the player and the receiving team out.

Also if the Knicks then want to try and add a PG in 2012 maybe CP3 or Deron then they cannot give everything away to get Melo in view of the picks due to Houston.

The Knicks are cronic underachievers despite having a big market and loyal fanbase so whilst their fans dream of success and almost demand it the rest of the NBA can view them from the outside as the continual dreamers and not dislike them because they are successful.

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I'd rather let Melo sit for

I'd rather let Melo sit for the season the do that trade with the Knicks. They can get much better pieces from Orlando.

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Lets put a swerveball in here

Lets put a swerveball in here and say the Lakers offered up Bynum,Odom and some picks for Melo and Martin? I know it's total fantasy but it could be tempting for Denver.

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I would love to see Melo on

I would love to see Melo on the Lakers I wont lie....

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the lakers could get melo if

the lakers could get melo if they really wanted to.

as far as the knicks wings..its already obvious that knicks fans think they are better then the rest of the world does...there are many players in the leauge like chandler. bill walker is a back up on a good team and there are many of those. same with the rest of the wings other then gallo who would start on some teams and be a 6th man on others

the knicks have a good chance at melo but they will have to offer more then thoses back up wings unless they are offerring all of them plus money

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"Lets put a swerveball in

"Lets put a swerveball in here and say the Lakers offered up Bynum,Odom and some picks for Melo and Martin? I know it's total fantasy but it could be tempting for Denver."

Yes, we can probably find 28 teams who can put together a better package of players and picks than the New York Knicks. ESPN is based 120 miles of both New York and Boston, and covers sports as such. Melo and Lala have a home in LA and the Clippers can put together a far better offer than really anyone. They have a first round pick owed to them by Minnesota that goes unprotected in 2012. They have Aminu, Bledsoe, Kaman, Griffin, Gordon, and DeAndre Jordan with which to piece together a trade.

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yeah but the thing that would

yeah but the thing that would torpedo the deal is that the clippers are....well the clippers...no one really wants to go there even for max money

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The Clippers actually have

The Clippers actually have about the same track record for attracting players as the Knicks have, and they have better assets with which to trade and talent to surround Carmelo.

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yeah but they have a

yeah but they have a loooooooooooong history of being horrible and have been voted the worst franchise in any sport. players laugh when someone suggest that they go to the clippers. no one even mentions then seriously as there option of teams to go to

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