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Rebuilding Plan.:Jazz edt

No team wants to be stuck in Perpetual Quick Sand (6th-8th seed sneaking into the playoffs) Year after Year. I think Utah out of all of the trades had the best haul to me. They are 5th smallest Market/With the 6th largest payroll, so getting rid of DWill contract saved them some$, and AK contract is up this year so thats another 17mill off the books. There has been 2 rebuilding phases in their history. 8os with Malone/Eaton/Stockton . And the Early 2000s with DWill,Boozer AK. DWill was there highest pick & they traded up to get him. So they trade DWill for a Quality PG/Tremendous Upside DFavors/ UNProtected Pick #4-7th overall depending on how Nets finish. And also a Top 7 Protected 2012 #1 pick from Warriors via Nets. GHayward on the Roster 2010 lottery pick. They have some tradable assests along with great picks. This to me was a great Deal. If they can get MailMan to work with DFavs this summer this could turn into the Deal of the Decade for this franchise. I'll watch this team closely.


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This to me was a great Deal.

This to me was a great Deal. If they can get MailMan to work with DFavs this summer

Can we stop saying that? Please? That's the 15th time I read/heard that. Yes, Malone working with Favors will help him, but JUST because a hall of famer works with someone DOES NOT mean a player automatically because a superstar player, not even a good player. Let's just let him develop and see what happens. Saying "I hope he works with Mailman!" makes you look really bad if he doesn't become a good player and it increases expectations for a guy who's just 19....let the man grow at his own pace and don't think every post player who works with a HOF post player is automatically become that player.

I heard the same thing people said Thabeet should work with Hakeem.

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The team looks good, the

The team looks good, the DeronWilliams trade was smart getting those picks and maybe Favors turns into a player. They need some wing scorers and they should be a contending team soon.

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My Rebuilding Plan for the Jazz

@Knicksboy1, How is that bad? You can't just let him develop and hope it works. You gotta have a plan to do so. That's his plan bring in the Mailman and have him be a big man's coach to further the development of Favors. And its not a bad one either. Although I tend to think that if Malone was brought on board he would also tend to ridicule Utah for trading away DWill. He probably think they did it because he forced Coach Sloan out, not at all. So he would not only praise Utah for getting rid of the "primadona" but also ridicule management for not handling the situation better. (like suspending him like Jerry Sloan wanted) Anyway...

My Rebuilding Plan:

Utah is not done rebuilding yet. Before the trade deadline Utah was rumored to trading Bell, but that never happened. I do like Bell, but if we have to give him up inorder to help us rebuild then so be it. Utah needs to rebuild so they should do whatever is necessary to make it happen. They should trade Bell, Hayward and their own draft pick this year to Memphis for OJ Mayo. Utah needs a leader since they gave up one in Dwill. They need someone to go to at the end of close games. Mayo can do that. He would love the role of being a leader and embrace it. Memphis would like this deal because it gives them more veterans and a young rookie who could play well in the future or give them a shooter which teams that want to compete always need.

Then I think Utah should use their pick from the Nets and draft either Harrison Barnes or Terrance Jones. Both can back up AK if he gets hurt again which he almost certainly will. Both of them have a ton of potential and could be real good (not stars) but quality role players that contenders need. Both can play their roles very well and not try and do to much but develop inside the system and not be a leader. They are Jazz type players because of their to pass the ball well and have great attitudes. Hard workers and just what the Jazz need. Then with that 2nd round draft pick they should go for a shooter like John Jenkins or Marshon Brooks. Like I said before, contenders always need shooters to help win games.

Next in the offseason Utah currently has 3 free agents who are playing great this year. AK, CJ Miles, and Ronnie Price. Because of CBA the cap limit will be lowered to who knows what so it will be difficult for Utah to resign them all. So they need to decide which of the 3 are the most valuable to the team and then sign those players or player. Personally I think Utah should resign AK to a much smaller contract like 5 mil and resign CJ to about the same amount of contract that he has right now. Let Price go, he is a nice player, and I like him but he can be replaced easily and he is the least valuable of the 3.

Then continue the rebuilding process by moving Big AL back to his original position, the 4. They can trade Millsap for a guy like Bogut or Camby or Milicic or Gortat or Robin Lopez. Try and get rid of Memo's contract in whatever way possible. Even once he comes back from his injury he will never regain his old form and will thus come off the bench and be overpaid. If he plays well off the bench then and only then resign to a much smaller contract otherwise get rid of him in anyway possible. Maybe use him in this same trade or if not possible then just stick with him and when he comes back finally, buy out his contract, and some other team can use him.

With these moves Utah could have a roster like this:

Bogut or Milicic or Gortat or Lopez or Camby/Fez/Elson

Jefferson/Favors/Evans

AK/Terrance Jones or Harrison Barnes

Mayo/Miles/Marshon Brooks or John Jenkins

Harris/Watson

This gives Utah the size to compete with the Lakers and thus every team in the league, the Veterans who can help you win games in possibly Camby, Jefferson, AK, Harris, and Watson, and the shooting to replace the losses of Korver and Okur in Mayo, Miles, Brooks, and Watson. That would be one tough team to beat.

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@Knicksboy1, How is that bad?

@Knicksboy1, How is that bad? You can't just let him develop and hope it works. You gotta have a plan to do so. That's his plan bring in the Mailman and have him be a big man's coach to further the development of Favors. And its not a bad one either. Although I tend to think that if Malone was brought on board he would also tend to ridicule Utah for trading away DWill. He probably think they did it because he forced Coach Sloan out, not at all. So he would not only praise Utah for getting rid of the "primadona" but also ridicule management for not handling the situation better. (like suspending him like Jerry Sloan wanted) Anyway...

I never said it was bad. I'm saying, just because he's gonna work with Malone, doesn't mean he's gonna be even half the player Malone was. Bringing in Malone is a great idea, but it also bring huge expectations for a 19-20 year old kid.

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Then with that 2nd round

Then with that 2nd round draft pick they should go for a shooter like John Jenkins or Marshon Brooks.

Jon Jenkins will be a lottery pick when he comes out.

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He never said he would be

He never said he would be like Malone. He just said that this would really help him develop his potential and become the best big man he can be. He brings in huge expectations but we expect a lot from him. He was the third pick of the draft and he can be something special. He could be a taller Elton Brand before the injuries! Besides I feel that with the humility and willingness to learn, Favors can develop no matter what the expectations are. Just look at him so far, he is doing great even without Malone. Even better than Thabeet was in Memphis and this is with only about 15 minutes per game!

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@robertfreeman, Not if he

@robertfreeman, Not if he comes out this year. I haven't seen him play much but this site's comparison of JJ Reddick tells me that he will be a good shooter but not very athletic or not that great on D. The NBA is changing not only do they demand you to be a great shooter but also athletic and good D. Why do you think both Burks and Hamilton are predicted lottery picks but Jenkins isn't (at least not until 2012) I think if he came out this year he could be a 2nd round pick because of his lack of athleticism and lack of D. but great shooting ability. And besides the 2012 draft is loaded with future stars. Jenkins will be a good player in the NBA but not a star therefore I doubt he goes lottery even if he does come out in 2012.

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Malone coming in as an

Malone coming in as an assistant of course wont make Favors the next Malone. But who else better to learn from then one of the greatest power fowards of all time. Heres what the mail man himself had to say about the possibility.

http://espn.kall700sports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Karl-Malone-2-2...

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First order of business for

First order of business for me would be to move millsap or Jefferson. Possibly both. Get a scoring guard for one and a true center for the other and let everybody gell. Definitely can't have this many 4's on their team. Especially when Okur has always shown to be a better 4 than 5 also.

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Trade a PF for a true Center, easier said than done, no team would trade their true center for a dime a dozen PF. They need to just keep both Milsap and Jefferson, because Favors is 2-3 more years away to even be considered a legit starting PF.

They will have a lottery pick this year, possibly two if they slide and miss the playoffs and build your back court thru the draft. I like Brandon Knight for them, Harris probably has 3-4 more prime years and the Jazz currently lack a back up PG. Then use their other 1st round pick to draft a SG, possibly Alec Burks or Klay Thompson.

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Having Okur, Jefferson, and

Having Okur, Jefferson, and Millsap ahead of Favors is only going to hold him back. And it's really not that hard. There are always bigs availabe. Perkins was just nabbed for Jeff Green. Im sure you could get Haywood and Jones for Millsap or Jefferson. Millsap and bell for Chris Kaman, giving the Clipps a good backup big allwoing Jordan to remain starter. You could even sign and trade AK47 in the deal to give them that vet defensive minded 3. Jefferson for Nene. How about Millsap for Robin Lopez or Marcin Gortat giving the Jazz a decent defensive minded 5. Sam Dalemebert on an MLE. Point is, that there are always bigs available. You may not always get the same value back, but at times you have to take a couple steps backwards to make a giant leap forward.

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Thats what I'm thinking

Thats what I'm thinking iguapops. The Suns would fall head over heels for Lopez for Millsap deal. It gives them a starting four still allowing them to use Warrick as a backup and then Frye can go back to his role last year on the bench as a backup to Gortat. Kaman and Dalembert I'm quite sure about those two because they are coming back from injury and may never be the same again. But the Suns Robin Lopez would be perfect. The only problem is his ability to rebound. I definitely don't want my starting Center averaging just 5 or 6 boards a game. But maybe Big AL can teach him a thing or two about rebounding. And no the Jazz do not have too many 4's. Okur does not even play and he probably won't until next year, but even then it will be very limited minutes. You could even trade both Millsap and Okur for that true Center.

What about a 3 team trade between the Blazers, Bucks and Jazz. Bucks could desperately use a PF to help mentor Sanders and so that Gooden will not have to start. (Besides what is Gooden gonna teach Sanders?) The Blazers are willing to trade Oden so the Jazz could take him and use him as their Center, and then the Bucks could trade Maggette to the Blazers whom the Blazers can use as a 2 or a backup 2 incase Roy gets hurt again. Fernandez has been looking for a new home. Jazz need some shooting, so Fernandez fits the bill perfectly.

However I would not suggest trading Jefferson, he is playing well and even getting better out to 16ft! He is really happy to be in Utah and that would just damper his spirits if he were traded. Millsap is most expendable because Jefferson can play the 4 as well. Besides if you have to give up one of your "great jazz system" players in order to have the size to compete with the Lakers then you do it. Once you have the size to compete with them you have the size to compete with everyone in the league. Now if the Blazers want a draft pick for Oden then I think I'm willing to trade them our 2012 lottery pick from the Warriors. Bottom line is if you're Utah you do what ever you can to get a leader, someone to rely at the end of games, and a Center to move Jefferson back to his true position, the 4, then of course don't waste your lottery pick(s) this year.

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and mess.eee, what do you

and mess.eee, what do you mean the Jazz lack a backup point guard. What do you think Earl Watson is? He's the best backup point guard the Jazz have had since Howard Eisley and Derek Fisher (and Fisher didn't even play backup, he started at the 2 which was stupid if you ask me) And if Thompson goes in the lottery then it will be a sad draft. And I'd rather have Hamilton than Burks.

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Yea go trade a 17PPG 8RBPG PF

Yea go trade a 17PPG 8RBPG PF (Milsap), for a back up quality Center(Robin Lopez) and make him your starting Center. Great move, you trade a good player for a below average player, just so you can give a starting spot to Favors.

And Earl Watson is a FA after this season. You want to resign a 33yrd old PG during your rebuilding process?

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the bulls gave up OakTree

The bulls gave up Oakley for Morgan Freeman/I mean Bill Carthwright so sometimes you have to sacrifice something for the good of your team. + how important are #? Are you willing to keep a solid 6'7 PF who gets you 18&8. Or do you have the time to invest in a 19 yr old rookie with a 6'10/ 9'1 standing reach /7'5 wingspan/gazelle like speed/growing inside game. Has some flaws but the intrigue is there, i'm sorry but if I ever have a choice between whats there (18&8rebs from 6'7 PF) as opposed to what can be found(DFav = at best 6'10 Phenom21&12/2-3blks/at worst Al Horford14/10/2blks) I'll always go with the Latter.

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Memo Okur wont play in front

Memo Okur wont play in front of Favors. I doubt he even comes back before the playoffs, and if and when he does he wont be near the player as before. Millsap is having a career year, but the time will come when Favors is ready that he will need to be traded so Favors can start. I think the best option would be pair him with another one of our gaurds or fowards and trade him for a good sg or sf. It wont be Lopez. And that will probably be atleast a year or two down the road. Depending on how fast Favors devolpes. Right now we have a 3 big man rotation that is really good. Jefferson is a beast. Great scorer in the paint. 2bpg and over 9rpg. He would be harder to trade than Millsap because of the money he makes. And is the better player out of the two. I think the future holds both Jefferon and Favors starting down the road.

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I'm not saying trade Millsap

I'm not saying trade Millsap so you can start Favors. No way he isn't ready. No where did I say that but I did say trade Millsap so you can move Jefferson to his true position the 4 and have the length to compete with the Lakers and thus the rest of the league. The Blazers are putting Oden up on the block in the offseason. I don't care if he gets hurt all the time (we have the precautionary measures to take incase that happens) Go get him. Do a 3 team trade with the Bucks. I'm sure they would love to have a 4 like Millsap even if he is undersized. I realize he is having a phenomenal year and I like him but if you want to compete you have to do what is best for the team. Do you want the Jazz to do so well every year but never ever be able to get past the Lakers because of their overpowering length? I sure don't. I want to beat them one of these days. The only way we can do that is to get the size to compete against them. So go get Oden, start both him and Jefferson and have Favors still be a backup to Jefferson. We also need a leader, luckily the Grizzlies have a future leader that they aren't using and willing to sell for cheap. (OJ Mayo, they are literally dangling him in front of the entire league.) Go get him. Trade Bell, Hayward, and a first rounder for him. All I'm saying is do whatever you have to do to win a championship. Sometimes you have to give up alot in order to get alot, just like we did with the Deron Williams trade.

@mess.eee, So you're saying draft Brandon Knight and Klay Thompshon or Alec Burks when players like Harrison Barnes, Terrance Jones, Jordan Hamilton are still available? Man I really question your judgement, you sure do know how to waste lottery picks. The Jazz don't really need a PG they have Harris, and I'll resign Watson until he retires I know we are rebuilding but we havn't had a backup PG like him in ages. Don't go searching for another one if it took you so long to find one besides even if you are rebuilding you still need veteran players to help you compete otherwise you'll end up like the Clippers. Quality young players at every position yet still make the lottery and can't win games. No offense to the Clippers but they need some veterans. Why can't we have some veterans at the beginning of our rebuilding process to help us continue to compete and win games? If the Jazz really want a backup point guard then they should use their second rounder on one. The Jazz are known for turning for second round picks into pure gold, so go and do it. Take a pg in the 2nd round so they can be a backup but please save the lottery for the players that are really talented, that we really need. Like a backup to AK for when he gets hurt (trust me he will get hurt.) that way we don't have to use our 6th man and there goes our bench scoring or an inconfident rookie who in my opinion tries to do too much. Or draft a starting 2 guard that cna give us some scoring. BTW I would pick Hamilton over Burks anyday because he is a better shooter and on top of that he plays the Jazz system (the flex offense) at Texas. He knows it and he excells in it. What more could you ask for. He is perfect. Pick him. I say pick Harrison Barnes, Terrance Jones or Jordan Hamilton with your lottery pick or if we have two then get 2 of the 3. Then with that 2nd round pick go for a PG. Its not a bad idea but I wouldn't do it until the second round.

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