This piece talks about the Thunder not being able to pay all 4 of KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka and makes a solid case for Ibaka being more important to their success. So it offers the possibility of trading Harden to a team with multiple lottery picks in this draft (Portland, New Orleans) and esentially getting 2 young pieces for cheap for as long as 5 years. I think it's an amazing idea and I can totally see Sam Presti pulling something like this this summer. It also got me thinking of smart teams like the Spurs (Parker to Portland for both of their picks) or Lakers (Gasol to Portland again). What do you think? What other examples can you come up with? New Orleans would probably seek a young big man to complement Eric Gordon. It would have to be a rising All-Star because they're rebuilding and don't even have an owner
As much as it might be a good idea because it is probably inevitable we will lose Harden, it is hard as a Thunder fan to think about losing Harden. I wish some of these NBA players would take pay cuts so that their team could win a championship. If they really care about winning like they say, why not? I mean, I imagine the money they would gain from endorsements and what not from winning a title would be way more then they would lose taking like a 2million dollar paycut for a player making 20 mil wouldn't you think?
With Harden likely to be well over 20ppg if he was a starter and not a 3rd option, the Thunder would want a very high pick back and I somehow doubt they rip up a contending team. They can maybe pay over the odds and hope that success continues, deep play off runs give extra revenue.
They could have suitors like Washington who would surely love Harden alongside Wall and Cleveland who could use him alongside Irving but personally I don't see it happening.
I mean, I totally get the point, and it is a valid arguement, and although it may seem a bit irrational, don't hink Presti and his crew don't already know what they're going to do when the time comes, whether it be to just sign them all, or shrewdly get young cheap pieces for them.
Oh I believe Presti knows what he's doing. It's just that I don't think the OKC owner will have the money to pay all 4. The luxury tax is gonna get nasty and even teams like the Lakers, unless they are absolute top 3 candidates for the next 5 years would go too much above the line. OKC can't charge their fans like the Lakers could, no matter how many rings they get. Right now they're contenders because they pay Sefolosha/Collison/Maynor about 8M combined each year. I wish Westbrook would've signed for less but he didn't. And Harden is probably gonna get a max contract from some dumb team next summer and become another Joe Johnson. Unless they manage to tie up Ibaka and Harden to below market contracts (think Rondo, Parker) they are gonna lose 1 of them so they're better off trading Harden and get as much as much talent and value as they can (basically high lottery picks)
imo harden is a top 3 SG in the league now behind bean and wade.... He is super talented and one of the best assets he has is his scoring ability off the pick n roll when KD and westbrook are getting rest. Any other team he is more likely a 1st option, he has the potential to be a 25 ppg scorer and it isnt debateable
I agree, but you also have to agree that he is their 3rd best player and possibly the 4th most important to the team's success. He could turn a team like Utah into a contender overnight. They would have to give up some of their young pieces/picks. Like a Kanter/Burks combo and maybe a pick. And since they're probably gonna lose him anyway, it's better to trade him away early (like Utah did with DWill)
I that situation if Utah really wants to give up their 2 lottery picks for Harden a would make that trade if I'm Sam Presti. As said, they wont be able to pay Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka so by taking a probable 8 and 13-14 pick they can draft Rivers, Beal or Lamb ( at least one of them will be avaible )with the 8 pick as a replacemt. Probably Rivers would be the best replecemt for Harden. He could provide some instant offense from the bench. And if Sulinger slips to 14 ( which I think wont happen ) he would be a no-brainer for them because I think he fits perfectly to their lineup. He gaves them the low post scoring which they need for sure. Its gonna be very interesting.
Lol top 3 SG Manu? Joe Johnson? Ellis? Ray Allen? Eric Gordan when healthy?
But I was hoping the Wizards would make a play for him through FA if not then a package of some players like Crawford Booker singleton Vesely....we have assets
Harden is mainly a scorer...and the Thunder do not need scoring. Build for the future.
Harden is mainly a scorer...and the Thunder do not need scoring. Build for the future.
I really disagree with that. The Thunder starting lineup has Durant and Westbrook who can fill the hoop but other than that they have three anemic offensive players; Ibaka, Perkins and Sefolosha. Off the bench other than Harden they don't have any scorers either. One of the Thunder's biggest flaws is when one of either KD or Westbrook is off they don't have anyone to pick up the slack offensively, trading away their third scoring option would not be a good idea unless they get a couple other guys that can score in return.
I'd trade Derrick Williams/Mike Beasley, Randolph, Wes Johnson, Ridnour, and right to K-Love's 1st born to get Harden in Minny.
Thing is they would want only Derrick Williams out of that bunch (and maybe the kid) because they want cheap potential All-Stars with rookie contracts. Williams and next year's pick may or may not be enough, considering that the TWolves will probably make the playoffs next year. I think basically any team that's not the Lakers or the Heat would want Harden, so if OKC plays their hand right they can get a sweet package
I think with Cook on the team along with Thabo and possibly another shooting guard with some added youth depth, it could make up for the loss of Harden. Harden should be a starter and he may be looking for starter money. OKC may not be able to pay him that so it is better to get something for him while the opportunity is there.
Ibaka is ok but if he was on another team I dont think he would do what hes doing in ok he gets easy buckets and easy rebound because the presence of the other 3 when hes mostly a shot blocker who is an athlete.I'm not giving ibaka no more money then perkins.
If Harden is put on the trading block Minnesota and Portland better make a move
This is where being a small market hurts them. I'd love to see the Thunder keep all their guys together and win multiple rings, but it looks like the new CBA will actually end up hurting the small market team because of the heavier luxury tax(ironic, huh?) It would be really hard for me to trade Harden because you'd be breaking up arguably the league's best team. Would you really an all-star level player before his contract's up for unproven rookies?
Harden fits really well with the team's current pieces and guys like Jeremy Lamb or Brad Beal would be considerable downgrades who have not demonstrated a skillset as well-rounded as Harden. No one's trading Anthony Davis's right for him, so they will be worse next year if they deal Harden this summer. However, the Thunder are too good to let him leave for nothing. Half the teams in this league should be happy to let a star player go because they lack the building blocks to seriously contend. Those teams need to tank for Davis. The thunder, however, need that third scorer/playmaker if they're gonna beat the Heat and Bulls the next five or so years. It'll be tough to do, but they should trade Harden. The Miami guys will start declining in a few years and OKC will be the team to beat from 2014-2020 if they can trade Harden for a good player
No way harden is giving up for any draft picks he should have went second to memphis hes no slouch with those 3 players doing most of the scoring for okc all they have to do is build around them and keep the bigs they have not so hard to do. We all know perkins is a loyal player who puts family over money. Push comes to shove you trade westbrook not because hes not better then harden he may be but because sometimes he doesnt mesh with the others being a scoring pg I think in the playoffs this will be exposed.As it has been in the past.
Nothing makes up for the lost of harden. Durant drops 27 points a game most the points come from harden ,russel,and durant. Both westbrook and durant will have to up not only their points but also their assit to replace the production from hardens absent the top 10 sg/sf put up close to 20/5/5 harden puts up 16/4/4 off the bench. Who replaces that lol.
And thats off the bench in a 3 man rotation.
Getting rid of Harden will be dishearting...Not only is he their 3rd best scorer,he's their best playmaker and provides alot of intangibles you cant easily replace...
Cant OKC offer Harden a contract this summer? And isnt He still playing on his rookie deal? So does OKC has the option to sign him to an extension? Maybe they'll trade their 1st round pick and Cook for cash? Or trade Perkins? They were a possible finals team before he got there...
This is the best young and most feared team in the nba..You must find a way to keep your core players together..
With the suggestion that the Thunder may look to try and possibly trade on James Harden in order to renew Serge Ibaka and stay under the luxury tax level when all the new contracts kick in. It got me thinking about the possible options they could pursue, if they were going to move Harden, surely they would need to renew him first for if he was traded to a team he might not be happy at, he could look to try and move on or only sign a qualifying deal and become an unrestricted FA in 2014. Also if Harden was tied down for 4 or 5 years then his trade value would be much higher than if he was on an expiring rookie deal. Also the Thunder could perhaps offer Harden more generous terms if their ultimate goal was to trade him rather than keep him and try to resign him as cheap as possible. This way they reward Harden but another team has to pay for it.
If they did decide to trade Harden then it would surely need to be for a top 3 pick as Harden was a number 3 pick and has played to that level or above. If Harden had been the main or even second option on another team and played as a starter, I feel he’d be in the 22 to 25ppg range and be considered a possible franchise player in due course. As I said in an earlier post on this topic there were a couple of possible suitors in Washington and Cleveland, I forgot to add the Nets, if they happen to get a top 3 pick and miss out on Davis then adding someone like Harden would be a positive move to try and convince Deron to stay or at worse a great trading chip to try and get Dwight Howard.
I could not see the Thunder wanting to move Harden to another Western Conference challenger so moving him out East or to a Western lottery team would be their preferred option.
If as I hope they do, the Thunder look to retain all their young players, there are a few other tricks they could use to try and keep the luxury tax level down. They have a pick owing to the Celtics but own all their other picks I believe, for a team likely to be picking in the 25 to 30 range over the next few years, they can always sell a pick or two if there is no-one they like the look of. This can bring in $3 million and they can always look to sign a few guys to veteran minimum which the league underwrites to a certain degree. A legit challenger like the Thunder could surely attract a decent veteran or two who wants to chase a ring and these guys can just come in and play when required rather than being a rookie project. Teams like the Knicks who have traded away a lot of picks and who have deep pockets are the sort of team who could well look to purchase a pick if required.
The other option that I thought of could be that Oklahoma look to get a veteran C in or decide to go with Aldrich and move Perkins on, this would be a risk but if it meant that they could keep Harden, it may be worth considering. Perkins would have trade value to the right team and the Thunder could get a decent package back and maybe trying for someone like Camby for a year or two could be a cheaper option than continuing with Perkins.
i wouldnt be surprised if the nets jump all over this IF they win protected top 3 pick....they would do anything to keep deron there and bringing in harden would actually be a quality move and all of a sudden they actually have a pretty good starting 5. Maybe they can still put some sort of package revolving around brooks or lopez if they lose there pick...
D-will (if he stays)
Wallace (if he picks up his option)
Humphries (if they resign him)
Lopez (very good player if he stays healthy)
I am an OKC fan (or a Durant fan since his time at Texas) and I would be absolutely ecstatic if they traded Harden right after the season ended for a top 5 pick in the draft and one other lotto pick. If they could pull in a guard like Beal/Rivers/Terrence Ross with one pick and with the other get Drummond/Perry Jones/Terrence Jones/Jared Sullinger I'd be more than thrilled because I fully believe that if Harden does not sign an extension the Thunder will lose him for nothing or a pick in 2013 (I am not that excited about McAdoo and Zeller). But the question is whether some team would be willing to give up that much this offseason for Harden.