Chad Ford currently has Andre Drummond going to the Raptors at 5. How do you guys think he could play next to Valanciunas? Would this make a Bargnani trade inevitable? Or would you raptors fans rather take the safe route with Harrison Barnes instead?
until after the ping pong balls fall into place after the lottery.....
There is no point in going the supposed "safe route".
Raptors should draft for talent.. regardless of position. I'm not convinced that Harrison Barnes has as much potential as the other guys. I think Drummond would be a great pick at 5
Drummond would be great at 5.
if you want to pick on talent and potential then they should go with Perry Jones at 5. He could be a good wing combo with DeRozan. With Bargs and Valencuinas up front.
I think Drummond plays a more crucial position... it's much better to build around a center. If Drummond is gone, Perry Jones is a good option to have.
Bargs is not a big deal... trade him if necessary. It doesn't make sense to avoid Drummond just because of Valanciunas and Bargs.
Their no player with more upside in the draft and that said there is no player that reminds me more of Kwame Brown. The guy should been more WAY dominiant I dont care about scoring but rebounding, blocking shots, put backs. The guy was non exsistent. Having no idea were we will draft it hard to say but he is a walking red flag. I think Barnes contrary to what he did in the tournament will be a very good player. Other guys to stay away from in lottery are Austin rivers and MKG. Rivers seems like a straight gunner like Jamal Crawford and Ben Gordon good to have on your team but not a winner, MKG I think nobody benifits more from being on a stacked team. Not that the Kidd isnt good but in the end I think he will be a glue guy a la Gerald Wallace who everybody loves but get traded every year and he isnt as good an athlete as Wallace was coming out of college.
Their no player with more upside in the draft and that said there is no player that reminds me more of Kwame Brown. The guy should been more WAY dominiant I dont care about scoring but rebounding, blocking shots, put backs. The guy was non exsistent. Having no idea were we will draft its hard to say but he is a walking red flag. I think Barnes contrary to what he did in the tournament will be a very good player. Other guys to stay away from in lottery are Austin rivers and MKG. Rivers seems like a straight gunner like Jamal Crawford and Ben Gordon good to have on your team but not a winner, MKG nobody benifits more from being on a stacked team. Not that the Kidd isnt good but in the end I think he will be a glue guy a la Gerald Wallace who everybody loves but seems to get traded every year and MKG isnt as good an athlete as Wallace was coming out of college.
They could get Drummond from the draft, acquire Valanciunas from overseas, and finally be able to trade Barg for as much value as possible, so they can rebuild around a young core of Drummond, Valanciunas, Ed Davis, and DeMar DeRozan.
If I was toronto I wouldn't go for Drummond I would go for Gilchrist or Barnes
If they have the 5th pick, you gotta think they'll go after MKG or Barnes - and one will likely slip (right now that's looking like Barnes).
If neither are there, they should go BPA, because they have some solid pieces, but none blow you away.
I would avoid Drummond, he's going to be a bust. MKG will go top 3, so if Raps are drafting at 5 they should take Harrison Barnes, Damian Lillard or Jeremy Lamb. Or trade down to get Kendall Marshall or Terrence Jones
People are moving too far off Barnes, he has some limitation but he could improve at the next level, is he Marvin Williams? Glen Rice?
he has good work ethic, I could see him getting better in all facets except for assists.
I realize that the lottery will affect who we are drafting, but IF Drummond ended up in toronto would he work well with Valanciunas? Do they make a good frontcourt pair skillset wise which the raptors can rely upon for a few years?
"Their no player with more upside in the draft and that said there is no player that reminds me more of Kwame Brown."
Honestly if that is as bad as it gets then I would take Drummond in a heartbeat. Kwame may be on the wrong end of a lot of jokes, but the dude is a solid post defender, and rebounds at a moderate rate. Drummond has some weaknesses, but what he does do well are things that every team needs, especially a team like the Raptors.
I see Drummond in the same way that a lot of people viewed Derrick Favors his year at Wake Forrest. He was just on a team that didn't put him in a position to shine. Personally I would love to see Drummond go to the Blazers, and form a nice inside outside duo with LA.
Bradley Beal, the more i watched him the more i can vision him as a very good NBA player. Besides Bargs he could be that other threat that can shoot. I think Beal would be a quality choice
I think the Raptors should draft either MKG or Barnes if their available. If not then they should pick the next best player still on the board.
Only way I would take Perry Jones is if they traded down for him and it was clear that he'd be able to play the small forward position.
I'm suprised nobody put Lamb out there. Gives them defense, versatility, and some scoring. They need to get better on D, as Derozan isn't a great defender. If they pick Lamb, they'll probably tank another year, but they are still a couple of years away from competing, so i think they go this route and get a guy who has proved himself at the college level, and will almost certianly be a good pro, even if he's a #2 option on a competing team.
Drummond would be better in PF Position in Raptors..
or trade down... every player on the raptors is expendable... if they really like someone for them who is lower on other team's boards, then trade down and try to pick up another piece...just dont reach for a pg or sf because those are need positions... if they look at drummond they can trade valinciunas or bargnani both have some value... or they can keep all three... its not like Drummond or Jonas will be ready to play right away...I think i would avoid Perry Jones if i was them...he is going to be a spot up shooter and offensive rebounder until he becomes more willing to drive and take contact... there is no way that he is a small forward. He also gets lost on defense and him and Andrea would really be poor if they were on the court at the same time.
When are people going to learn that taking BPA isn't the right way to rebuild? OKC drafted by position with their picks and have guys who complement each other.
Bargnani and Valanciunas should be considered the frontcourt of the future for the time being, as much as I love Drummond they are already invested in Jonas/Ed Davis, so adding another 4/5 into the mix in dire need of seasoning will hurt not only the Raptors, but Drummond.
It has to be either a SG or SF, because DeRozan can theoretically play either position with his length and athleticism. It looks like barring a bit of luck with the lottery Toronto won't be able to take MKG, who would be the best played in the draft for them IMO, but Barnes is the clear second choice, they need outside shooting, defence, leadership and a team-first mentality. Barnes meets all those criteria whilst also filling a positional need.
If Barnes/MKG were gone I'd look at taking either Terrence Ross/Jeremy Lamb to provide outside shooting, defence and athleticism. Both players have shown the ability to play off the ball too, which is a big plus on a team like Toronto with Bargnani at the 4 who likes to handle the ball a bit.
depending on where the balls land in the lottery, anywhere between 14-10 they need to get a pg and trade caledron for a sg/sf
ps. caledron is 30 so they need to get rid of him and work towards the future
james johnson is also showing signs that he can defend in this league, with a little more development he could become a nice complimentary player to demar derozan
... you take the best player available because any of the top 8 players in this draft would be an improvement to your squad... Additioanlly, I dunno where you get off thinking that okc did not take the best player available when they took durant...they already had rashard lewis and ray allen... they let rashard go and traded ray to boston... the next year you could argue that they took the best player available in westbrook, but if they didn't... then they should have taken kevin love, which obviously would have been a horrible decision...Additionally, while james harden happened to fit a need for them, he was also ranked higher than curry and tyreke coming out of school. the only one who may have been ranked higher was rubio, who was not garunteed to come over... the following year, they needed a center and drafted cole aldrich who has done nothing... they probably should have drafted davis or patterson instead, while either are not necessarily great, they at least playing....so yes you could say that they drafted for position because they took sf,pg, and then sg with their 3 consecutive top 5 picks... but you could also say that they took the best player avaiable and were lucky to fill a need each time because their team was so bad.... drafting for position leads you to taking wes johnson over demarcus cousins and greg monroe... it leads to you drafting hasheem thabeet with the second pick...
Granted, the NBA is different than Football in that there are less people who play at the same time, so teams have less positions that can be filled by BPA, but as I said earlier... in this scenario, you are the raptors and could use a better player at any position...