[valentine]

you asked for it!

1- doug mcdermott (mix of larry legend and nowitzki) jk

1- bazz

2- noel

3- cody

4- gorbert

5- tony mitchell

6- rick ledo

7- poythress

8- mcadoo

9- archie goodwin

10- lorenzo brown

11- jaamal franklin

12- isaiah austin

13- cj leslie

14- cj mccollum

15- adonis thomas

16- myck kabongo

17- otto porter

18- bj young

19- gorgui dieng

20- pj hairston

21- ryan harrow

22- trey burke

23- kentavious caldwell-pope

24- ray mccallum

25- mason plumlee

26- jeff withey

27- isaiah canaan

28- sean kilpatrick

29- patric young

30- will clyburn

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31- tim hardaway jr

32- deshawn thomas

33- josh smith

34-mike moser 

35- rodney williams

 

  

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 I just can’t get it wrapped around my head that Josh Smith is a pro prospect. I get it that he’s talented but it’s well known in the UCLA community that he doesn’t love basketball.

[F_S]

 i forgot about c.j. wilcox

[seniokasParticipant]

 Gorbert is overated. He is a project and a very long one at the moment, I really don’t see lottery pick in him. At least not this year. He played in pretty weak competition ( especially when talking about big mens ) this year at European u20 and didn’t showed except ability to block a lot of shots while playing again not athletic mostly undersized teams. I mean, mine Lithuanian team won that championship and he did have like 5 blocks on us in championship game, but our tallest player was 6’10 and he is wooden on offense.

Still, potential is there as he is big, long , pretty athletic and moves pretty well, but albeit raw physical abilites he doesn’t really have what to offer. Picking him in late teens is something pretty reasonable at this point, but top 10 pick.. nah, no way. Although, he will see what kind of a season he will have this year, potential is the though. 

So have you even seen him if you are putting him in 4th position ?

[F_S]

i have not seen him play an actual game but i have seen all his youtube videos and read scouting reports on him.

he’s a 7 footer with near 8 foot wingspan and good mobility and athleticism to easily throw it down. from what i read and seen he has good mobility and sense of timing on defense. 

i really like what i see from him and others seem to be high on him as well. after bazz, noel, and cody the rest of the players are combo forwards!

give me the athletic 7 footer with near 8 foot wingspan and defensive instincts before a combo.

 

[yankees1Participant]

Doug McDermott at #1 and no Steve Adams on your list ??

[F_S]

he’s gonna teach CBB how to douggie

put steve adams at 7

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Trevor Mbakwe?

[F_S]

 true. put him at 20

[HaleParticipant]

 I wouldn’t take Mbakwe before 30. He’s going to be 24, undersized and has injury concerns. Rodney Williams shouldn’t be in the top 100, let alone top 35. Not high on Isaiah Austin either, he’s softer then PJIII. Young and Poythress should move up a few spots.

[F_S]

 mbakwe: damn i knew that about his age, i forgot all about it. i would still put him in the first, not 20 though. maybe 28.

i think poythress is fine where he’s at and rodney williams is a sick athlete. that game in the NIT against washington where he led his team with 18-9-2blks made me like him, he was playing outstanding defense. and then against stanford he got in foul trouble and despite playing only 24 mins he posted 12-5-2ast-1blk… i can see him being a good wing defender in the nba.

and asaiah austin, just because he’s rail thin like pj3 doesnt make him as soft as him. i think he will show he’s a better rebounder and shot blocker

[HaleParticipant]

I’m high on Poythress so I’d have him closer to 5, but that’s me. Mbakwe is fine at 28 I suppose. Austin is as soft as PJIII, it’s not just his rail thin body, he avoids contact way too much.

The thing with Rodney Williams is he’s going to be coming out as a Sr., while being rawer then Demar Derozan was as a Fr. He has no ability to play the wing on offense, and the only NBA skills he has are athleticism and possibly perimeter defense. He played in the post last year which led to his numbers jumping way up, but he won’t be able to be a 6’7 210 lb PF in the NBA, it’s not going to happen. It’s not often that raw, unskilled seniors get picked at all, and add to the fact that he hasn’t improved that much on the wing, and that he’ll likely have played the post his last two years in college I just don’t think he’s anywhere near worth a draft pick.

[F_S]

 rodney williams reads open lanes very well weather be it for alley oops or cutbacks. on the fast break he runs like a deer and fills the lane. he’s a good perimeter defender and good weak side shot blocker. 

he posted 19pts 5.6rebs 1ast 1blk in the NIT in 5 games… i also saw him play against university of miami and he destroyed us with 21pts 5rebs and 2ast shooting 90% from the floor.

i personally like him.

you know who’s a 6’7 PF, anthony bennett

[HaleParticipant]

 But Bennett is much bigger, stronger and has a much more natural game at the 4 then Williams does. i guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

[F_S]

since i guarantee the person who asked me to make this list negged me. it is only fair that he posts his ‘so-much-better’ rankings.

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

 Trevor mbwake has serious concern about his injury coming back and he’s already 24 and undersized, Goldberg is very intriguing but I’m not sold on him yet as I was high on a similar player like him named saer sene and he just flamed out bad. Bennett has injury problems but is talented an needs to develop a position

[zcnumerounoParticipant]

I love how all of F_S’s comments have been thumbs down. You guys seem to like trolling him. 

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

 I agree, even when he makes solid statement you guys neg him just to do it

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

They are just spelled correctly and I put more thought into them. Even if I negged you, which I didn’t, it is obvious that people are not fond of them. I think they are fine, just a few things to maybe work on. I know this is only a basketball forum and that you have better things to do with your time (at least that is most peoples attitude when I give suggestions like I am about too), just think that these could maybe help you be better received here and maybe have people not neg you.

Many people blame negging on being too controversial or something of that manner. I think it tends to be a persons attitude. If they always point out "I told you so" or make broad claims they think are gospel, than these tend to not be incredibly well received. Here are my suggestions for your list, which I hope you will re-do as you obviously left people out.

• SPELL THEIR NAMES RIGHT! It is just a pet peeve of mine, I will admit. Yes, we probably know who you are talking about. I will admit, I f*ck up a persons name from time to time. I am not at all perfect. Just think constantly spelling someones name wrong tends to make it look like you may not know $hit about said player. Rudy Gobert, not "Gorbert". I have seen others. These are names that are usually easy to look up (you are on the internet, I am guessing you are looking at a Mock Draft while you do this, or something of that sort). Even one second of proof reading would probably do wonders for how people read your posts (that I know you are trying to do so they are not negged)
• Use capital letters every now and than. Like, write out peoples full names. If you are doing this on your phone, wait until you are at a computer. It just looks better that way and people will again take you more seriously.
• If you forgot someone on your list, say why you think he should be ranked there and maybe say who you are taking out. Obviously in this list it is the 35th person or whatever, but it was really hard to take it seriously when people kept pointing out who you had missed and you just through them in a spot.
• My final piece of advice is, use the thumbsdowns not as a slight but as something to maybe help you look at what you could do differently. You have been posting on here very consistently and I think a lot of us know you. I think a lot of us know you are very passionate about basketball and are not afraid to speak your mind. Speak your mind freely. Just put in maybe a little more thought and effort. You obviously want to be taken seriously. You have the absolute ability to do so. Use it. Put more thought into your lists, maybe make a schematic by position and choose through that. Less chance of missing players that way. Your list was not bad, your execution could use a lot of work.

That being said, here is my list. Not saying it is better, will definitely be subject to change. Just want to give you what you asked for since you did indeed do what I suggested, though hopefully will revise it to make it even better.

1. Shabazz Muhammad, UCLA

2. Cody Zeller, Indiana (Why? Guessing people will ask why I like Zeller more than Noel. His offensive game and body are both light years ahead of Nerlens. He runs the floor well and has a great sense of where to be on the court. I was not blown away by Cody’s rebounding, but have a feeling Nerlens defense and rebounding will not be light years ahead of what Zeller does much better)

3. Nerlens Noel, Kentucky

4. James Michael McAdoo, North Carolina (Why? He was behind three All-ACC front court guys. Think he has a huge sophomore year and justifies a high pick in this years draft)

5. Alex Poythress, Kentucky (Why? He is a freshman and all, but he sames to have the body and athleticism to possibly transition to the 3. So, I do like him this high amongst this draft class)

6. Tony Mitchell, North Texas (Why? Much like the other two players ahead of him, could be classified as a possible tweener. Still, if he can prove value at the 3, a position lacking in depth by many teams in the league currently, that could mean a very high pick. Has ideal size, long arms, just will be interesting to see if he develops his outside game even more so)

7. Steven Adams, Pittsburgh (Why? I am slightly apprehensive putting this Kiwi big this high, as I know Pitt brings along big guys slowly. Still just think Adams has size, strength and athleticism that are incredibly hard to find in a big man. My guess is he gets some minutes and can convince a team to take him in the lottery)

8. Adonis Thomas, Memphis (Why? Kid is built like an absolute tank, think he has a big sophomore season. The difference between he and Will Barton is that Thomas has the strength teams are looking for at the 3)

9. Rudy Gobert, France (Why? While I am hugely skeptical of Gobert due to his somewhat slight frame and raw offensive ability, he has the height, length and athleticism highly coveted in a big man. Here is hoping he gains a little bulk to bang down low and work on his post game)

10. Otto Porter, Georgetown (Why? Am unsure about his outside shooting, but he has aggression and ability that showed me a lot as a freshman. A big year could turn him into a possible lottery pick)

11. CJ Leslie, NC State (Why? He is a really athletic 4 man who I believe might put it together for a much better junior season than his first couple of campaigns. Hopefully he has gained some bulk and is a tad more assertive)

12. Dario Saric, Croatia (Why? I honestly feel he might be even better, just know that not everything about Dario screams NBA 3 man. He is a tad awkward as an athlete and he has not yet really stood out beyond the youth level. He is a NBA player, just do not know how good of one he really is or even necessarily if he plays 3 or 4)

13. Ray McCallum, Detroit (Why? Like Ray as an All-Around player and think he should break out this season. Good size for a PG and feel he will show a great deal of improvement)

14. Ricardo Ledo, Providence (Why? Ricky is obviously a very talented player. He has great size for a 2 and can score in a number of ways. Just wonder how things will work out with his elibility, but he may very well be the best in coming 2 guard, unless one counts Shabazz as a SG)

15. Archie Goodwin, Kentucky

16. Lorenzo Brown, NC State (I agree that Lorenzo is good. Just think calling him underrated when you have him at 10 and he is at 17 is maybe not the best way to go about it, even while technically true in your eyes)

17. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia

18. Ryan Harrow, Kentucky

19. Gorgui Dieng, Louisville

20. Myck Kabongo, Texas

21. Jamaal Franklin, San Diego State

22. Trey Burke, Michigan

23. Victor Oladipo, Indiana

24. CJ McCollum, Lehigh

25. Jarnell Stokes, Tennessee

26. CJ Wilcox, Washington

27. BJ Young, Arkansas

28. Andre Roberson, Colorado

29. Trevor Mbakwe, Minnesota

30. Mason Plumlee, Duke

31. Doug McDermott, Creighton

32. Sean Kilpatrick, Cincinnati

33. DeShaun Thomas, Ohio State

34. Jeff Withey, Kansas

35. Isaiah Canaan, Murray State

 

Was hard to make this list, most definitely. Left some good players off and am taking some major gambles on improvement from certain players. Nonetheless, was fun and I am glad I did it. Two guys I left off from your list I feel may not be in the 2013 Draft:

• PJ Hairston, North Carolina: Like him a lot as well. Think he will have a very nice year, still think he probably stays another season.
• Isaiah Austin, Baylor: I know a lot of people love him, NBA scouts were even intrigued by him this summer. Still think he spends two seasons in college to gain some weight and consistency. Just my opinion at the moment.

The others were close choices who I decided to leave off. Do not fault any of them, just had guys I liked a bit more from what I have seen. Hope you have no hard feelings and if you take some of the suggestions I left, have a feeling you will get a better response and at the very least, is something that you may be doing differently than the posts that get negged with little response.

 

 

[F_S]

 ok nice list. if saric can be drafted i’d take him at 8-9 right before or after steve adams

[F_S]

 btw dario saric is a 4.

" it was really hard to take it seriously when people kept pointing out who you had missed and you just through them in a spot."

kept pointing out. or reminded me i had forgotten about mbakwe….lol. you make these claims sometimes that i kinda hate.

i didn’t include steve adams because i don’t think he’ll bolt after one year. i thought about putting him in the list. SAME FOR DARIO.

and i said myself i forgot cj wilcox

 

 

[ENOGSIWONdede]

 Alex Len? he is not superproductive yet but is 7’1 and a probably lottery pick.

 

And where do you have McDermott seriously or not in top 35?

[F_S]

 oh and since you are sooo uptight about spelling is not "through" mickey, is "threw". hahaaaa

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Just giving suggestions, which I see you once again refuse to take for some reason. I think my claims were legit and if you felt Steven Adams was not going to enter, why were you so quick to say "oh, I’ll have him 7th". Also, my name is mikey, not mickey. I am trying to help you improve as opposed to hating on you. I could take you correcting my use of "through" (which is spelled correctly, just not used grammatically correctly in the context I used it in) as "hating", but instead I can admit I made a mistake.

You seem to use this mistake as hypocrisy on my part to keep making the same ones you tend to make (like calling me "mickey"). If you want to be better, look at ways to improve. If you think you are fine the way you are, expect the same reaction from people on this board that you have been getting recently. You may hate my claims, but I will say, I think you would rather have a different reaction.

[ENOGSIWONdede]

 Jeff Withey is too low he is such a presence defensively, he actually blocked a higher % of shots than Anthony Davis last year.

 

I agree with Mikey that Ray Ray will be a good player, he will really excel in the pro game where there is more driving room, Detroit has almost no shooting to space the floor last year

[F_S]

why don’t you make a list?

[F_S]

 if i never would’ve seen that last full game and judge from the nike hoop summit and some old highlights i would’ve said saric is a combo too, after i saw the full game some1 posted, i realized he’s future in the nba is brighter as a 4.

he’s 6’10 and a 1/4 and gained significant amount of weight since the nike hoop summit. he was just punishing in the lows and the high post and it was almost impossible to double team because he made them pay with pin point passes. 

i guess is somewhat subjective that i see him as a 4, hes only 18 and has good ball handling for the 3, a PF looking jumper that is effective and decently quick feet. he just looked like a PF to me, and in a conversation i had with "pohani komarac" (a .net euro-ball insider, lol), he seemed to agree and told me that he’s been "profiling himself as a PF lately"

[seniokasParticipant]

 Yeah, it’s really interesting what position Dario will play at the next level. I’m not quite sure I choose being 4 instead of 3 if I were him, because he plays at his best when he is with the ball, as he can create for himself and for others very well. His outside shooting is still in work at the moment and as he is often one of the biggest players on the court at they youth level  it’s logical that he plays in the post where he can use his nicely filing up frame, quickness and great body control, but will this work equally well when playing with grown man… If he gets a role similar to Lamar Odom’s then it’s okay, because then he will be able to utilise his creativity with the ball.

Actually, I watched an interview with him after one of the u18 games and he said that he can play any position at this level but his favorite one is point guard, he said he really likes to play point.

I had an opportunity to watch him live quite a few times in the u18’s and his penetrating ability really stood out, obviously the defenders weren’t quite good, but his ability to read what defender offers him is really outstanding. In the NBA defenders are way much better but there will be much more space if he improves his 3 point shot to make defenders respect him he could be a very successfull at small forward, though his perimeter defebse remains in question as he always defends post players or post when playing zone.

[F_S]

 he can def push a break with his quickness, handling, and excellent court vision. but he cant do much in the half court if given the ball at the top of the key. he’s not one that’s gonna blow by defender on iso’s and he’s not particularly good at creating his shot off the dribble. his shot is much more suited for the pick and pop

i think he’s best when used in the post. either the high, where he face you up and do his ‘dribbling damage’/slashing from there, or the low where he has a nice touch.

he can use his court vision right from there, and on fast breaks like we saw in the summit

[pohani komaracParticipant]

Yeah, it’s really interesting what position Dario will play at the next level. I’m not quite sure I choose being 4 instead of 3 if I were him, because he plays at his best when he is with the ball, as he can create for himself and for others very well.

 

Yes he is best when he has ball in his hands, but big problem is defese. He would be destroyed by SF on next level. It’s bit pity he won’t be able to use his "with ball talent" on next level to maximum, but I think if he adds consistant shoot and continius to work on his body and low post game he could use his face up talent skills during some stretches in game. Like against Russia when he was guarded by biger players. Also Since he is good rebounder He should end up as one of best transition options since he can start, lead  and even finish transition by him self. Those two situations that are kind "natrual" for him are the ones he should carry on next level without no problems. But I belive It’s good thing he understands his future role. Many kids who dominate at yuth level get lost just becuse they don’t understand what they can do on highest level and what they should work on

It’s impresive how quickly he impruved his off ball game and low post game wich tells how hard he works and how basketball comes natrual for him and that he should have no problems developing at least into decent PF

his points against Lithuania

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iicyriXvqJE

Also, few days after junior finals he was add to Croatian senior team where had 2 decent games for now considering he didn’t have much time to rest or practice with team and that he is 18 year old playing with pro players. He is also used there as PF

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_77959.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8721.teamID_2168.html

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