rank the big 6 confrences for next year
I don't follow all the confrences or incoming hs players very much, so I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say about the big 6 confrences(acc, big east, big ten, pac ten, big twelve, sec) for next year. What teams stand out, and what order would you rank them in.
I do follow the pac 10 pretty well, and I think it will be a very down year. I would be suprised if any of the other big confrences were worse then the pac 10 next year. Cal is the one team people should watch out for. I think they wil be top 10. They return all 5 starters from a 20 win team and had 3 freshman that came off the bench and contributed who should all step up.
Anyways, any thoughts would be appreciated.
Will be the headliner for the whole year. Led by KU and Texas. Look for some surprise wins from MU and Iowa state. Also Oklahoma will still be stralong.
The perennial best conference and that stats prove it. UNC is ridiculously stacked again. Duke should actually show up next year with their 2 big men coming in to hold down the paint. Something they haven't really had since like 2004? Will be interesting how Wake does with Aminu running the show. Florida State should be back in the tourny. Maryland will be there because Gary Williams is a Tom Izzo type coach. Clemson will start strong so we'll have to see what happens at the end of the year. Georgia Tech will do a 180. They have too many McDonalds All-American's not to.
2) Big 12
Basically you will have Kansas and everyone chasing them. OU MIGHT show up some, but Willie Warren will be doing it mostly on his own. Texas MIGHT be good, but then again, they never did much in the tourney when they had D.J. Augustine and A.J. Abrams and Kevin Durrant. So 1 legit team and 2 teams that will make the tourny and be gone by sweet 16. I like OSU so maybe they will sneak in.
It will reload from its pathetic showing last year. UK will get to Elite 8 I think. If they crack Final Four I'll be surprised. Too much hype. I can't wait for the UK/UNC game!!! SC should make the tourney with those 2 guys coming back from the draft. I honestly don't know enough specifics but from things I've read this sounds like a good fit for them.
4) Big East
Will take a giant step back from last year. Nova will be the best team. Pitt will fall off the map as will Syracuse. Louisville will really struggle as well, loosing their best 2 players. I'm not sure how UCONN will be. I hear a lot about Kemba Walker being the big thing there. Georgetown should be better and make the tourney at a minimum. Notre Dame has a shot with Harangody coming back.
5) Big 10
I'm sorry but I HATE this conference when it comes to basketball. Perfect example was the painful to watch 38-33 Illinois game last year. It was like the special olympics and I'm being nice. I felt sorry for the guys playing because you could tell they were embarassed. Big 10 BBall will contend though. They got like 7 teams in because they are all mediocre--just good enough to make the tourney. The only true exception is MSU, who has a shot to make it back to the Final Four if Kalin Lucas is solid and continues to improve. Purdue will be a Sweet 16 team again probably but not good enough to be a title contender.
Granted I don't know a whole lot about a lot of these teams, but the 2008 draft took all the talent out and the prospects of last year (Harden, Hill, Holliday) came out this year. One and done is crippling this (football) conference. I will be SURPRISED if you get a title contender out of here. I hope next year Arizona misses the tourney (they lost Hill and Budinger so no talent left) and the program is in a mess. I don't want them to catch up to UNC's record of consecutive invites to the NCAA Tourney!
So my title contending teams, in no particular order:
Kansas (I really like Cole. His triple double was amazing and he's a legit center)
MSU (Two names. Kalin Lucas and Tom Izzo. They will contend again)
UNC (Roy is on a roll 2 in 5 years and is reloaded with 5 Micky D's coming in)
Duke (Just like Izzo, Coach K can take crap and make it gold. Kelley and Plumlee are two big men that will resurrect the program's lack of good big men the past 5 years)
Kentucky (While not buying into the hype, they should make a solid run next year. I think Coach Cal is VERY overrated but John Wall was a big addition)
Nova (Scottie Reynolds will have some magic left in the tank. Good coach too)
UCONN (I don't want to leave them out. I like Callhoun because of the way he told the self-righteous reporter off....and because he's a damn good coach!
Now I know I will be challenged about the ACC but Championships since 2000:
Big East: 2
Big 12: 1
Big 10: 1
Pac 10: 0
That doesn't mean the best team one every year due to the nature of one and done. But it gives a decent barometer of what the teams in each conference have to go up against.
llperez22 filled me in on some Pac10 Info.
I'll add Cal to my title contender. I watched them play Maryland last year and since everyone is coming back they are going to be solid. Washington will play second fiddle to the round of 32 and MAYBE sweet 16. Bruins should make the Tournament, if on anything, their good name (like Arizona did last year).
So my "Title Contenders:"
I say one of those 7 teams takes the title next year unless we get another 1985 Cinderella run!
Oklahoma State lead by James Anderson and Obi Mounelo is going to be a tournament team too, and Scott Drew is a good young coach who runs a fast paced guard heavy team that will also be in the NCAA tournament, The Big 12 is a lot deeper than a lot of people know about
I've been watching college for about 15 years, but I don't really study up on teams until the confrence tournaments. The pac 10 has been hit harder then anybody by players leaving early and next year will be one of the worst years I'm guessing. Only 2 top 25 teams (cal and Washington), UCLA and Oregon both have a chance to get in the tournament also. Isiah Thomas is my pick for confrence player of the year.
Thanks for the info on the Pac10. I didn't feel fair putting them at 6 w/o facts but was just going off things I've heard. So Cal and Washington next year? UCLA still the perennial conference leader or will they be down?
they will be down. They return 1 starter and he is not an nba caliber player. They do have depth with 4 returning freshmen that were all ranked top 50 last year and 4 incoming freshmen who are all ranked top 100 this year. The backcourt will be good with Jermie Andersen and Malcolm Lee. this is easily the least talented team since Howland took over 5 years ago. Best case scenario would be creeping into the top 25 and making the tournament. My guess is they just get in with one of the last tournament invites.
Cal went to the tournment last year, return all 5 starters, and had 3 freshmen who came off the bench and should all play more. They are the best team.
Washington has a spectacular backcourt with Gaddy and Thomas. They should be ranked top 25 all year, but never crack the top 10.
Thanks for the info!!!
I updated my post.
SEC- 5 Tournament Teams
Don't sleep on Vandy...they have everybody back from last year. Plus Andre Walker will be back from injury (he missed almsot all last season, he was a starter to begin the season). Vandy also added SG John Jenkins who is the lethal 3pt shooter they desperately needed. Tennesse wil be really good too. Tyler Smith looked to be bothered for most of last season by a bad hamstring. I think he will have a huge year. Not to mention Scotty Hopson should make great strides as a Sophomore. If only the Vols had a quality PG. Miss.St- is really underrated right now. I think they will be the 2nd best team in the SEC behind Kentucky. Ravern Johnson & Kodi Augustus are extremely long & athletic wing players. The Bulldogs are loaded in the post. Varnado finally has some help with Sidney & Riek joining the team. The weakness is guard play for Miss. St. Ole Miss is a little weak inside but they make up for it with guard play. The Rebels were devastated by injuries last year. Warren, Polynice, Gaskins, White, & Graham provide an excellent backcourt. We all know about UK..no need to discuss them.
Last team out- South Carolina, Arkansas
PAC 10- 3 Tourney Teams
Washington is going to be sick with Isaiah Thomas & Abdul Gaddy running the show. Too bad they don't have much of a post presence. Still this team should be fantastic on offense. UCLA will be super young but they have some glue guys in Keefe, Roll, & Dragovic. Add alll the talented Freshman & So. to them and you have a team that should have some success. California has everybody back from last year. They are a deadly 3pt shooting team. Hopefully they establish a quality player in the paint though and don't just rely on hitting outside shots.
Last team out: USC, Oregon
ACC- 7 Tourney teams
Losing their PG Douglas really hurts Florida St. but they will be dominate in the post. With Alabi & Singleton holding down the fort FSU should be able to compete in most games. They have a ton of depth in the frontcourt. The pressure is on Derwin Kitchen to help lead this team. Duke & UNC are loaded as usual so I won't discuss them. I thought about a month ago Georgia Tech would be in trouble this season but it looks like they will rack up the wins this year. Favors, Peacock, & Lawai make their frontcourt very impressive. Shumpert is a long athletic guard who should have a big year. Not to mention they also added a couple other bigtime recruits. Maryland has everybody back so I expect them to build off the success they had last year. They seem to go as far as Vasquez can take them. Wake Forest will miss Teague but Smith & Williams will pick up the slack. Also the Deacons are HUGE in the post. They have several 7'0" players. Plus Aminu is going to go off this year. Clemson lost KC Rivers but Stitt is ready to step up I think. Tevor Booker is just a beast down low. The system Clemson runs allows them to win a lot of games as long as they have the athletes. I think they are pretty atheltic.
Last team out: Virgina Tech
Big 12- 4 tourney teams
Well Kansas is probably the best team in the country (It is a toss up between them & UK IMO). Kansas State should be a surprise team. They have good depth at guard & Clemente is a great player who doesn't get enough publicity. They added a 5star big man to helpout their somewhat mediocre post play. Oklahoma won't fall off the earth now that the Griffin brothers are gone. Cade Davis, Warre, & Tony Crocker provide consistent guard play and great outside shooting. Keith Gallon is an absolute monster down low. Plus they added quite a few more really good recruits. Texas will be outstanding. They have on of the best recruiting classes. Jai Lucas (transfer from Florida) is a great outside shooter who will ease the loss of Abrams. Damion James, Gary Johnson, & Dexter Pittman provide a very very strong frontcourt. Ward started playing very well late in the season and should be able to run the team effectively. I expect Texas to be a top 10 team throughout the season.
Last team out- Texas A&M, Oklahoma St.
Big 10- 6 Tourney Teams
Illinois lost a lot of experience in the backcourt but they are to well coached to dropoff much if it all. Tisdale & Mike Davis will continue growing as players. Legion will finally get the playing time he wants. McCamey can flat out take games over. Michigan will have similar success like last year. Manny Harris & Sims are surrounded by enough quality role players to rack up wins. Minnesota is well coached too and doesn't lose much from last year. The twin towers Sampson & Iverson should step their games up a notch. The Gophers have smart guards and enough size to win a lot of games even though they certainly aren't the most athletic team. Michigan St. is back at full force once again. Losing Suton really doesn't hurt them at all IMO. I think Ohio St. will have a great year. Lighty, Turner, Diebler, & Buford will cause opponents headaches. Purdue returns all their important pieces look for them to have a similar season like last year.
Last team out- Wisconsin
Big East- 7 tourney teams
I'm telling you right now to watch out for Cincinnati. They have several young players who will be greatly improved this year. Lance Stephenson was huge pickup. Yancy Gates holds down the paint. Vaughn is a very good PG. UConn like usual has an impressive recruiting class. They lost Price but get back Dyson. I think Dyson is the better player. Stanley Robinson was often overlooked last year but he is a freak athlete and should increase his scoring average this season. Louisville will find a way to sneak in the tourney. Their system causes teams problems. Sosa & Smith remain adequate guards. Samuels & Jennings are good enough in the post to hold their own against most teams. A pretty good recruiting class will also help. Notre Dame lost some talent & had just a mediocre recruiting effort. Still they will be saved by two transfers in Ben Hansbrough (Tylers brother) & Scott Martin (talented forward from Purdue). Harangody should dominate again. Villanova is somewhat of a sleeper team too. I wouldn't be surprised if they won it all. Taylor KIng (transfer from Duke) brings some unique skills to the team. Reynolds, Stokes, Fisher, & Redding provide a stacked backcourt. Novas' recruiting class is loaded. They don't have much depth in the frontcourt though...this is their weakness for sure. Pena & freshamn Yarou will have to stay healthy. West Virginia will be a dangerous team with a couple players coming back from injuries and the emergence of Ebanks a star. Butler is a good leader with some experience. Ruoff was the only loss but the Mountaineers welcome a bunch of solid recruits. Georgetown was a disappointment last year but I think they bounce back. The talent is there, It is simply a matter of the young guys learning that offense. As good as Summers was he really didn't help the Hoyas out much, his decision making wasn't good at all. I think there will be much better ball movement this season.
Last team out: Pittsburgh
whu doent anyone but gatorheel have any love for texas? they should have 4 or 5 nba players on their team next year.
I don't doubt the talent level on Texas but the way that talent does in Tournament time.
Granted the best 2 players were Freshmen, they had a team a few years back with D.J. Augustine, A.J. Abrams, Kevin Durrant, and Dexter Pittman.
Now I think all 4 were Freshmen but they lost in the round of 32 which was VERY disappointing. Durrant should have at least got to the Sweet 16 that year by himself, not to to mention how good D.J. is/was.
The next year, sadly, Durrant was gone (or they SHOULD HAVE won the championship over stupid Florida / note that I love the gators in football--my fav team). However they had a deadly guard attack in D.J. Augustine and A.J. Abrams and an improving Pittman. They made it to the Elite 8 but should've gotten to the Final Four that year. I remember how frustrated I was watching that game.
Augustine was the 8th pick in that draft and has proved himself to be that worthy. I think he made the All-Rookie second team and he would have had numbers like Derrick Rose's if he got the start over Felton. He has a deadly shot for a PG. Shot like 40+% from deep his rookie year. Watch for him to be a future all-star.
Now, while A.J. isn't really an NBA prospect, didn't he break the record for made 3's? He's definitely an A.I. type college player with that undersized 2 guard thing going on. He was lethal. Not to mention Pittman has been big and strong since day 1 and a very adequate post threat.
My point? In the last few years Texas has produced some SOLID NBA talent. You're talking about a future Superstar and a soon to be All-Star in the past 3 years. Yet with and without those star players they keep loosing in the round of 32. Now last year was understandable b/c they were the high seed and had to play a hungry Duke team.
Anyways, that's why I'm timid to pronounce them a solid team. Granted I don't know the quality of the players coming in, I'm looking at the recent past and who couldn't get that program advanced and am shaking my head. If Carmelo could take Syracuse as a Freshman to the title, then Durant, whom I think will be an even better pro, should have at least taken them to the Sweet 16 and honestly the Elite 8.
That tells me that something at the coaching level is not right. Carmelo had Jim Boeheim and Kevin had Rick Barnes (a decent coach but not the same level as Boeheim). So yea, if he couldn't use a player like Durrant to take him to a Final 4 then who does he need to do it?
texas was not great durant's only year there and DJ was not the player he grew to be his sophmore year. That team was really young and still inexperienced. Their bench was pathetic that year too. I remember at the game on Senior night the only senior was Craig Winder. Barnes played him that night for the first time in weeks haha. I want to say the only upperclassmen they had were Winder, J.D. Drew, and maybe Ian Mooney.
Loosing in the round of 32 is still bad. You are talking about a 6'8"ish guy who could play 2-4 positions, could score at will, was a GREAT ball handler, was fast and had a quick first step. He should have been the first pick in the draft but leave it to Portland to go for the bust.
With our without a bench Barnes should have been playing him to exploit the other team.
Honestly, I wish he had stayed for 3 years. OMG with him and D.J. that would have been a good chance for 2 titles back to back.
The Big 12 just went through an era of recruits with Durrant/Beasley/Griffin. What sucks is the least talented of the 3 came back for his softmore year of like 14ppg and became equal to what the others were their Freshmen years. I could only imagine what Durrant would have been in college as a Sophomore/Junior!
they have Pittaman who i really think will keep improve, Gary Johnson will be good this year too. they also have two top 10 freshman and Ward will be a lot better this year isee them as a really good team this year.
yea but you're also forgetting beasley only took his kstate team past the first round and then lost to wisconsin in the 2nd AFTER breaking durant's double double record. I think the talent on those teams was pretty equal at that point (DJ became much better his second year and beasley had bill walker to play second fiddle like durant had AJ).