Racial Double Standards (Rant/Discussion)
I'm sure all of you have heard about the Eagles WR Riley Cooper's mishap of when he said the N-Word. The Eagles since have made him write an apology and removed him from team activities, some teammates have forgiven him and some others haven claimed to have lost respect for Cooper. Cooper, a Caucasian football player is being extremely ridiculed for this situation. Against popular belief, I don't think it's fair to be 100% angry at Cooper and not forgive him for this. Cooper's exact words were "I will jump that fence and fight every nigga here, bro.", being a young black kid, I'm not obvious to the obvious, translating that sentence he pretty much said "I will jump that fence and fight every person here, bro." In all honesty if this had been Jeremy Maclin or Desean Jackson, it would have been a non-story because they are African-American, how does that make any sense? Suddenly a person's skin color determines the intent of a word being used?
I'm not going to lie to you one bit, I used to use the word pretty frequently, very sad to say, with that being said I understand the form and the way I'm using the word and I can understand the way others use it too. For example. Trayvon Martin said "There's this creepy ass nigga (Zimmerman) following me" no one even cared one bit that this came out of Trayvon's mouth it was drove around and people pinned the focus on him calling Zimmerman a cracker. Why is that? Had Trayvon Martin been white the intent of the word would have suddenly changed and he is seen as a racist.
I'm not trying to remove any blame on Cooper for his use of the word because the word isn't a word ANYBODY should be using, but what I am trying to say is that how can a word be slang at one moment and then a racial slur at another? Numerous rap songs use the N-Word but in that instance it's slang not a slur because it's an African-American rapper.
"Don't believe me just watch nigga nigga nigga" - Trindad James
"Born a blood nigga, in a coma five days" - Game
"Niggas know the time when Quest is in the jam" - Phife Dawg
"Blessed my nigga, don't stress my nigga" - ScHoolBoy Q
A person could live 50 Nelson Mandela lifetimes before a person could finish a song anytime an African-American rapper used the N-word. What makes this whole situation worse, is White Rappers who defend this stupid double standard by saying "No white rapper should use the N-word", like it upsets me that people are this blind to the obvious. I have and had white teammates who use the word just because they've been around other players who use the word for so long, and it does not bother me one bit.
Russell Westbrook used the word in an interview the exact same way Cooper did, so how is he not racist? Why did the intent of the word suddenly change?
I know this is a basketball forum, but the issue has just been on me for a while, if anyone can defend this feel free to I really want to hear this.
I agree with you. It should be a non-story, but ESPN is just trying to race-bait.
Cooper was definitely in the wrong, and I don't think he should have used that word, but sending him to anger management and different classes is overkill.
This is one of the dumbest stories ESPN has ran with since the Manti Teo girlfriend thing.
There's a big difference between the er and a ending. If u listen to the video he uses the er. Combine that with him being at country concert...it's just bad lol.
Marcus Vick put a bounty on his head 1000 bucks first person to knock him out cross the middle.
I listened to the video numerous times and seen it on ESPN, CNBC and CNN with subtitles where they all bleeped out the N-word with five asterisks (N-* I-* G-* G-* A-*), I even had NBAdraft.net's gang expert Don042488 analyze it and he agreed that it was "nigga" not "nigg-er"
this is nonsense. watch the video on youtube.
Listen to the video below he says nigg-er
It's not wholly the word itself. Yes it is a deragotory word and shouldn't be used and should have been taken out of everyone's dialect a long time ago. But it's been so over used in music, movies, and now just daily life that the derogatory meaning isn't even attached to the word. It's just a word that refers to a person (nowadays it doesn't negate a negative/positive attribute to the person it is directed too and half the time the person it's directed to isn't even black). In this instance, he was using the word and meaning no deragotory reference to it so I don't see why it's sooo horrible and he should be punished. Most of the people who thinks it was deragotory in this instance are either racist or caught up in this whole racial debate stuff. We're all humans, why can't we just all be friends?
I know this isn't to do with the main topic but speaking of double standards, if Johnny Manziel was black and doing all the things he is doing people would be having a fit. Pretty sure the school would perhaps even step in, but Johnny? The nice white young kid whos parents have money so he can do whatever he wants? Nobody says anything. Its such bull&$#%#&@!.
nobody say's anything? what rock are you living under?
I meant to the degree a black QB would be scrutinized against compared to what they're saying about Johnny. If you honestly compare it, Johnny is getting a ton of love from the media compared to most kids. Majority of the time people discuss his issues they say, "oh he is just being a college student, we are blowing things up!" (we referring to the media). If he had been Cam Newton or Michael Vick doing the things he is doing he would've dropped out of the 1st round 100% but STILL people see him as being the top rated QB for next years draft, &$#%#&@! is garbage. I don't care what anyone says, I prefer Teddy Bridgewater anyway.
Knowledgeable people know Bridgewater is the better pro prospect. Personally, I can't stand Manziel. I hope he goes away. I can't even imagine a black player in his position lol. Would be interesting.
I've seen a lot of people drop him out of their top 5 QB's and he was never rated #1 in his class. It's always been Bridgewater.
Playing the "what if" games when it comes to race is an absolute waste of time and thought. You are creating a double standard in your own head by even mentioning this.
The Johnny Manziel stuff was old since day 1. The pressure for him to play at the level he played last year was high to begin with, everything he has done after winning the Heisman has only added to that. He will have a humbling season this year and everyone will quit talking about him so much. He still has a lot to prove before he is considered a legit NFL QB.
Context is always important when it comes to reporting, however in this day the media prefers using shock value headlines to stories that in truth are non-stories. That being said, regardless of skin color or ethnic background these guys have brains in their heads and should know what is and is not acceptable to say in an interview setting. If only to avoid the headache of being asked repeatedly by reporters if they hold any kind of racial prejudices, for an entire season.
Only guy I ever had a problem with was the Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker, what a piece of work that guy was... Dude just had a terrible outlook on the rest of the world.
He said Nigg-er not Nigga, big difference in terms of the racial weight of the situation.
I personally try to not give the word any type of power. I acknowledge and understand the history of the word, but we are not living in those times anymore. The world has become much more diverse and I think it comes down to how much power you give a word. For example, I wouldn't get offended if a racist redneck called me a n****r, but if he puts his hands on me, that's a problem.
Cooper doesn't get off, but I don't think any of his teammates should judge him so badly, because he most likely thought it was okay to say the word because they say it around him/call him it in the locker room.
It's ok, guys...he has black friends...
By the way, this comment was a joke, mocking people who use this as an excuse for saying the N word
I am white and say nigga lots. This might be a result of hanging out with black people, they don't care at all because they say it as bro. If I were to say nigg*r I would feel really awkward.. I'm so white haha
This is just ESPN being ESPN, sports are almost dead at this point of the year except baseball and the trade deadline had no important deals so they need a story and this is the most story worthy so hey blow it up.
He said "&$#%#&@!" with the ER loud & clear & even had some southern twang on it. You must not have seen the actual video to think otherwise.
If you can't understand why its a problem for him to use it in that context, you're incredibly naive.
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Black people say "nigga"...
This guy Cooper said "nigg-er" clear as day. Idk what the OP is talking about.
Not saying even saying "nigga" is right, but if you don't know the difference between the two words, then smh. This isn't a racial double standard. Black people don't go around calling each other "nigg-er". What Cooper said was flat out racist and he got caught on camera. I mean, just look at the tone and way at which he said it. I don't care that he has black friends. There are a lot of people who hide who they really are and what they really feel, but eventually it comes out. I definitely think an apology and whatever discipline he receives is necessary.
"nigga" is not a word. It is a made up "word" because some people don't pronounce R's when they speak. People who like to use the race card are the only ones who think it's okay to use, for them.
I just hope he has learned his lesson and that this isn't actually in his character.
The word was invented by white people to degrade, humiliate and dehumanize black slaves. Millions of black slaves were treated as property and abused and that word was the main insult for these slaves. Because of what it was used for, Today the word has weight. There is a history to that word and it isn't sunshine and rainbows.
As a white person I can say the word. I am legally able to say whenever I want. But as a white person I understand that if you choose to use that word, there is going to be a strong reaction because of the weight that words carries and you need to be ready to accept the consequences of using such a harsh word (violence...disapproval...disbelief...unacceptance). I am smart enough to realize the consequences of using the word are not worth it and choose never to use it under any circumstance. Cooper choose to use the word and now he had to deal with the weight that word carries. I don't feel sorry for any white person who uses that words simply because... they should have seen the backlash coming.
Last thing, this is one thing that has bothered me. There is only one N-word! I don't care how you spell it. It was used to degrade black people, so black people started using it for the opposite meaning of brother or friend. This was genius because it allowed the oppressed (blacks) to take control of a word that was used as a hateful weapon against them and change it's meaning...but it's all one word, one origin, even if you don't like where it came from (white, rich, slave owners).
why cant we all just get along!
I'm from Australia, and people throw the word nigga around all the darn time and not many people give a damn. I suppose this is due to the fact there is a very small amount of African American/Australians down under, but still. It frustrates me that there is this much racial out burst over a word, which is so often used as just slang and is a common place word in young peoples vocabulary. It doesnt hold the same weight it did years ago, and while I personally do not use the word due to the racial context of it, I have always thought that African Americans that preach for racial equality, but get in such an uproar of the word nigg-er being used, then use it themselves, are incredibly hypocritical. If there is truely to be equality, all people, in spite of their race, gender or sexual orientation, should be held to the same standards and morals. Why to certain people get to pick and choose what is racist, such as when a black man says nigga it isnt racist, its just slang. I agree, a lot of my friends use it in this manner. And they are white. There is context to every thing. Just like when LGBT people get all up in their britches about someone using the word &$#%#&@!, it does not have the same meaning anymore. It has been incorporated into young peoples vocabulary with a completely different meaning and 90% of the time people use it nowadays, they are not using it a anti-homosexual way. It frustrates me that people are getting all up in arms over a guy saying &$#%#&@!, when there is a crap tof blatantly racist hate crimes everyday that nobody seems to care about.
1. He obviously said &$#%#&@! not Nigga
2. I don't agree with anyone the word no matter the version
3. I don't think he should lose his job over this, I'm a black man but I believe in mistakes and 2nd chances, one of his biggest supporters was Mike Vick, a person who knows about forgiveness and 2nd chances
4. I understand why a ton of black people are angry, especially the older ones, who actually went through the racial struggle when it was at an all time high
5. I don't believe this was his first time saying it, drunk or not, you're not going to say a word you have never said because of being drunk or angry, it was too natural
6. I'm tired of people saying everything is media driven, rather if it's race, politics, sports, etc, If these things don't happen , then the media would have nothing to talk about. Yes the backlash is a little bigger because of the racial tension going on right now, but if Riley doesn't say this, the media has nothing to "drive" if George Zimmerman doesn't kill an unarmed black man, and then get away with it, the media has nothing to talk about.
7. And lastly, Black people need to stop saying the word and we definitely have to stop white people from using it. You are disrespecting yourself and your ancestors by allowing someone to use a word that was used to degrade and dehumanize you. And any white person that says they don't think it matters anymore is either lying or in denial. White privilege is very real. The only group of people who have never experienced racism, so they choose to belittle it.
While I'm not trying to say that black people have not suffered extreme oppression, but white people have never had any racial struggle? Ever heard of the Holocaust my man? While whites are extremely privelaged and compared to every other race have suffered extremely little, it is also ignorant to say that they havent suffered at all. Though I do agree that white privilege is alive and strong. My brother always tries to say that when a black person says cracker to a white guy its the same as a white man saying &$#%#&@! to a black person. No. It just doesnt carry the same historical weight and what not, and as I like to call them, Racially Oppressed White People(Hint, the name is sarcastic) annoy the crud out of me. While I dont think that african americans are always on par with their racial outrage, White people who try to claim oppression piss me off more then Monta Ellis saying he is as good as Dwayne Wade.
But back to my point, Holocaust man, as a Jew, it is painful to see someone trying to say that whites havent had a SINGLE event of racism.
religious persecution, not racial. In fact, it was whites killing whites.
Hitler wasn't persecuting them for their religion, but for their ethnicity/race. He was going to kill them whether they claimed to be of the Jewish faith or whether they were just Jews by race. He also killed 6 million non-Jews.
I get the feeling that you think Hitler killed only Jewish people during the Holocaust. He killed everyone who he didn't deem perfect, including homosexuals, people whom they called "gypsies," the disabled, blacks, the mentally ill, communist and even Catholics. It was less about race than people think. The Jewish people just so happened to live in 21 of the countries occupied by Nazi Germany at the time. It was easy to find them and because it was so many, they were easy to kill because Hitler felt that anyone who didn't fit that idea of "perfect" was the reason for Germany's finances going under.
That's why I said "Non-Jews". I had written out all the other things he'd kill people for, but we were talking about Jews in that certain circumstance, so I said "he had also killed 6 million non-Jews", I wasn't saying that he was just killing Jews, you shouldn't be so oblivious.
"Hitler wasn't persecuting them for their religion, but for their ethnicity/race." That was your first sentence, you contradicted yourself. So maybe you shouldn't be so oblivious.
You clear as day said he was persecuting them for their ethnicity/race.
And stop talking about double standards, when white people start being persecuted for their skin color. You find me and tell me about it..
The NFL is a league where 70% of the players are black. Not only did Riley Cooper alienate his teammates, he alienated almost 3/4ths of the league. That's not a double standard that is truth.
I'm 22, and Honestly the generations born after 1980, need to be taught about our struggle. If I said to my grandma what he said in that first comment, She'd go get a switch and whoop me like I was a child, and then sit me down and explain our history and how we are still expendable today.
As a young black man, do the stories of Oscar Grant, Trayon Martin, Sean Bell, Ervin Jeffersion or Kenneth Chamberlain mean nothing to you. All of those tragedies are from the last 5 years, that have happened to YOUNG Black men.
Do the stories of Malcom X, Martin Luther King Jr, or Marcus Garvey mean anything to you?
Do the racial problems that face your own president mean anything to you?
If you're a young black man, I implore you to read Michelle Alexanders "The new Jim Crow," we're in a system that doesn't help us, and we don't better ourselves to improve it.
Sorry for the rant..
"when white people start being persecuted for their skin color."
Why does it have to be skin color? People get bullied, attacked, name-called, abused, etc for anything that makes them different.
Your entire rant could apply to many differences that are persecuted in our world.. You named 5 different tragedies about young black men, I'm sure there are hundreds of tragedies involving LGBT teenagers. Thousands of people are killed for their religion. The amount of Jew-hate I've heard from people thinking Hitler was funny or something, it's absolutely ridiculous. And as he_gets_buckets said, the entire Holocaust how about?
Nasty horrible slurs are thrown out all the time in our normal language these days, it's not just the 'N-word', People will use any slur in there arsenal in order to make someone feel like they're less than anyone else.
I just get the feeling you think only Blacks get persecuted or something.
No I get the feeling that this is a discussion on race....
I should have added in America. I thought that we would all know white privilege is an American concept. White people have not been persecuted in America. They completed the biggest genocide ever with the extermination of the Native Americans, they enslaved black people for more than 2 centuries, and they created black codes to take our rights and dehumanize us more after slavery "ended."
White people have created all of the laws in America, therefore they have never had to face the same obstacles for the color of their skin. (In AMERICA) that is what white privilege is. It also gives them the idea to that they can deny wrong doing in these situations.
Once again maybe I should have added in America but I thought we all knew what white privilege was.
Like I saiid on a previous comment, this was a discussion about race.
And if you think more tragedies have happen to members of the LBGt community than black people you're crazy. I named 5, I could have named hundreds of thousands...
You are blaming us for something we didnt do. That is the problem, there are so many black marks on history (no pun intended) that we have no control over. A lot of the people in America immigrated here with in the last 100 years. I am a 3rd generation american, my great grand mother and great grand father moved here in the 1920's, which means no one in my family contributed to any of that stuff. Africans sold blacks to america, so if you want to go that far back, you technically brought it on yourself
Did you really just say Africans brought slavery on themselves? Really? That is totally ignorant and disrespectful.
And allow me to correct you, the first African slavers were indentured servants because they were baptized by the Spanish. English law considered baptized Christians exempt from slavery, they then lost their freedom in a court ruling that ruled black people for foreigners and did not cout under the English law. There were already indentured servants and skates in Europe, the people whom relocated to the New World.
Africans whom were at war didn't really sell slaves to white people, they were given gold and other things to further their community by leading the people they were at war with to death. Some stupidity on the Africans part and tons of deceit on the part of Americans. Yet Africans had nothing to do with the selling of millions slaves in america and that doesn't include the deaths. Africa sold one group of people, they had nothing to do with all of the people afterwards that were held.
Pick up a book dude. Seriously and change the way you think.
You need to change the way you think, that fact is I had nothing to do with anything that happened to blacks, I dont care about the color of the people at all. I care about who they are. So for me this is a non issue and when some blacks keep making it an issue it annoys me because they make it seem like all white people are racist which 98% of arent. There are crappy people in every race, religion, country, any kind of sub group has their crappy people. I dont hold anything against anyone until they speak and then I judge them off of who they are in the inside because some people project themselves as something they are not. 3 of my favorite people in the world are Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela (even though he was a socialist, socialism failed a lot of times in Africa and there is nothing that would support it working, and he didnt act on those beliefs so it is a non issue). These people should be bitter and hold grudges and none of them did. They moved on and left a great impact.
Grudges only hurt those who hold them, so as long as African Americans continue to complain about things that either happened a while or arent really racial issues, like trayvon martin, both of them were stupid if either one of them would have acted differently it wouldnt have ended up how it, there was nothing about race involved. Then America really won't be able to move on. Colonialism was the worst thing that ever happened to people hundreds of millions either died from it or died from what it left behind and what it created. I would never have done any of it and you are making it seem like I owe you something because of it when all I owe you is respect.
I have never looked a black person any differently than a white person or any other person of color. I was born in 1993. I did nothing to cause that pain on your family and you felt none of it, your parents did or your grand parents did. The media plays up the race thing to draw attention to them selves. Black on white crime happens a lot more than white on black crime and yet the media doesnt publicize it. Like when there is a black white crime the victim is white 88% of the time
Also the blacks in africa had it a lot worse than blacks in America. Africa is the most corrupt place in the world and so many blacks have to suffer through living in dictatorships and being killed because they speak out throughout the last 50 years. I think of Mandela and Martin Luther king as 2 of greatest people to walk on the planet. Malcom X wanted revenge the other 2 didnt they wanted acceptance of all races through non violent protests.
I dont hate obama because he is black, I hate him because I dont like what he is doing and how he acts in that commenting on trayvon martin, ignoring the massive bloodshed in chicago that is happening with strict gun laws. I dont like him because he wants the government to become more powerful. I dont like him because he made is money in politics which I could say about 90% of the other politicians regardless of race.
Maybe you haven't and that's a good thing. It you can't say what someone else does or what someone else goes through.
I stay in Lousiiana and we still have racism everyday. We still have parishes where interracial couples can't get married.
We have police who get fired for racist acts. People are denied service at certain places.
I've experienced racism a ton of times. I played basketball in high school and I was threatened by 3 people in one night for being black in Holden, Louisiana. One even said he would see me after the game if we won and it wouldn't be friendly. We won and we had a police escort out of the building where he was in fact waiting. I've been profiled riding through Zachary, Louisiana for being 18 with a 5 series BMW. I got stopped and searched illegally, I've gotten tickets for things that didn't happen. I dated a girl whose dad tried to kill me because I was black. I was 1 of 4 black people in my graduating class at a private Christian school and we were always treated with racist actions and remarks, if you're black and you go in tiger land around LSU you will be profiled, I even workd at a supermarket when I was younger that wanted ME to profile and follow black people when they came in.(funny most of our thefts weren't done by black people. I can continue to name racist things that have happened to me but I'll stop there. Maybe where you're from it's not as prevalent but I stay in the heart of the south, this is an everyday occurrence. It's normal and it still doesn't feel good.
And statistically speaking 88% of white murders are by white people and 94% of black murders are by black people. Black people aren't the ony people that kill each other. And not all white on black crimes are racially motivated. I know that, but if their is a small chance some racism has occurred it will be focused on that's the country we live in.
You guys are unbelievable, the caption of the video uploaded on youtube even says "Riley Cooper saying he'll fight every N*gga" A woman in the back even says "AWW HE SAID NIGGA" One thing I hate is when people try to flex while correcting someone, he said Nigga, it could possibly sound like &$#%#&@! because there are 30 people surrounding one cellphone camera. Nonetheless, I live near in the Surburban DC area, and plenty of black people say the many variations of the N-word. You guys are trying to make a story out of something that really isn't, get outta here.
Long story short, all this serves to do is distract people from having real conversations that lead to real progress. In a country where black unemployment continues to lag far behind the national average; where the average rate of conviction for non-violent crimes dwarfs those of whites; where DNA testing has revealed that more than half of tested convictees, the majority of whom are black, were innocent; and where landmark legislation that served to protect voters has been revoked, it is undeniable that this country has an issue with race. Or more specifically, how to legislate blackness, especially since pop commercialized culture has always chosen to emphasize the "criminal, funky, wild" side of "Black culture". From minstrel shows to blaxplotation to G-funk and trap rap, this is the perception of black people that sells. And this perception has a direct impact on how people treat others, especially in the suburban and rural areas where black people are rare.
Riley Cooper saying &$#%#&@! isn't the problem. Its a mild sign of it. Making sure lawmakers, the justice system, and law enforcement, many of whom were born while blacks were still legally second class citizens, treat all people with the dignity and respect we deserve is the issue. And it will be this issue until real progress is made. Just my personal belief.
Here is the thing. You can say ANYTHING you want. With that said, there are consequences for the things you say. His own grandmother has already came out and said she could not believe what came out of his mouth. I don't see Cooper staying employed or getting picked up by another team. There are a lot of guys, blacks white, hispanic, etc that are not going to want to have his back anymore. Guys will forgive him, but a lot of guys will not forget and have that whole thing playing in the back of their heads. If he were to get to play, I don't know if he makes it through the season without getting taken out at some point. His career is likely finished. He made himself untouchable because he thinks he is a badass.
Let's not worry about if he what he said ended in "ga" or "er" since some of you are getting hung up on that, even though he said," I will jump that fence and fight every nigg** here." He is pointing, he is angry and shouting. I don't care how much he had to drink, because in reality most people are more honest with a few drinks in them. You already have one friend with their hand on his shoulder, which seems like he is trying to calm him down and right after he says nigg** the other friend is seen backing away with one of those wtf dude faces. I don't care what you say with your friends. The context is enough to prove the point. Anyone that wants to defend what he said is as ignorant as he is.
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I am pissed off, the first thing I usually think or want to call someone is not some racist word or ethnic slur. Maybe that is Riley's go to move when he is comfortable, because he sure as hell knows he is not going to survive in an NFL locker room talking like that.