Race a factor???
The race card is a tired excuse to me...They don't like me any more cause I'm black...no the world hates you because your arrogant, selfish, spoiled, self centered and on top of all that a Coward that is afraid of competition...My wife doesn't even really watch sports and she hates Lebron...like she can't stand him..." The Decision " was a bad one and it's ruined his value as a superstar and Hall of Fame player...how many writers are really going to vote a guy in when he had to join another Hall of Famer's team to win a ring...
Lebron is a douche bag and the world can smell it...
scarecrow, couldny say it better myself
Maybe you are the douche bag, what Scarcrow way saying was way out of line...
"I will be cheering every lost and waiting with fingers crossed that he breaks his leg or both of them" (really that some serious &$#%#&@!)
"I just hate him and I'm not alone with my feelings" (This seems real personal)
Your wife hates somebody she doesnt know?? He ruined his chance to be a HOFER because he made a decision that was a bad PR move or because he doesnt act like you think he should act...
I feel sorry for indivduals like you.. GET OUT THAT BOX YOU LIVE IN...
billyk speaks the truth. and can you please stop saying Lebron played the race card all he said when he answered a QUESTION was that race played a factor that does not mean the hate was ALL about race, it just means it was a part of it. I wish yall would stop twisting my words and read my whole comment instead of picking out a few words for your benefit.
they made you get on television and announce your free agency decision because you're black. Next.
This is why I wished he never interjected race into this situation, although he said race only played a small part. Cause at the end of the day this has nothing to do with the upcoming 2010/2011 season, or his tenure with the Miami Heat organization. Only adding more unwanted questions to himself as well as his teammates. Also, by interjecting race it serves no purpose you open an ugly can of worms, you're only dredging up this past summer FA, which seem to me like less people were talking about, and fans were gearing up for the upcoming NBA season. Not only that pulling the race card looks like a cop out, right or wrong, and another reason for people to criticize him. To me when athletes insert race relations into his/her situation it take on a life of it's own, because race issues can become very... very volatile. People rarely straddle the fence when it comes to race relations, then the issue becomes more about race than the actual problem itself. Like reading a quote from an article, or seeing one on TV. You'll read/see a quote and think what a dbag, but upon reading the whole article and seeing it in context you can see it for what it is. You know why MJ, Magic, or Bird would never do what Lebron did? Simply because they never had a reason to. Their organizations were well organize, strong leadership, and well coached. But above all that, all three teams was oozing with talent. Those three players never had a real reason to leave to find better pasture.
"Sometimes you just say he’s making bad decisions and you’re like okay, he’s gonna get it together. Then he makes more bad decisions. The thing that’s interesting about LeBron ... Magic, Michael, and myself, we said we wouldn’t have did it. That’s not a criticism. We were asked a question. I don’t want to play with Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, or Michael, I want to beat them. That’s strictly basketball. The only criticism I’ve heard about LeBron and it was my biggest criticism, that decision thing was just stupid. It was stupid.
The second thing when they all came out there dancing around on stage, that was silly. That’s the only thing I’ve heard LeBron get criticized about. That has nothing to do with race. That’s what makes this last thing so stupid. That’s stupid. The only criticism of LeBron has been the decision and the one hour of our life that we can’t have back.
And ESPN, oh my God. Oh my God. To go down to training camp and report everyday is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen. I’m watching yesterday and one of the guys actually said LeBron looked fierce in practice. I’m like fierce in practice? What the hell does that mean? He was fierce in the second day of training camp. You’re like come on man, he really didn’t say that did he. This summer with LeBron and all the stuff that went on is like a bad movie. You just can’t make this stuff up."
thank you llperez!!!!!!!!!!!!
After a few actions, like DUI's and admitting u were looking for a hooker even though u have a wife, gambling issues, etc. After stuff like that I respect him for speaking his mind and he's entertaining, but I can't take him too seriously.
I've always liked Charles because he speaks the truth.
We live in a diffrent world than Jordan and Barkely, the media is so invasive in our lives and their is a tendency for the media to make stories out of NOTHING... I disagree with how Lebron handled his free agency (The Decision and premature celebration) was kind of lame, but thats more of a PR fail NOT something you should HATE a person over (dislike but HATE??)... I feel that because Lebron has become such a polarizing figure the media (ESPN) is doing WAAYYY to much they should treat the Heat like any other NBA team.. I wanna know who they would have treated Jordan's Bulls team during their three peats..
Who said anything about hate? I tyhink it's more about "you can't fix stupid".
Your words were already twisted.... you didn't need any help with it.
I could not agree more that the decision was stupid. And I think to a certain degree Lebron deserves the backlash he is getting for how he handled it.
But, I think the backlash always tends to be stronger, when we are dealing with a black athlete. For instance, people don't publicly hate on Brett Favre the way they do on Lebron. Favre called a press conference to announce that he hadn't made a decision yet for christ's sake. I think the public is more prone to turn on black athlete and see them as unlikable. Can you think of any good reasons why Lebron is on the most hated list and Ben Rothlisberger is not? I don't think race is the only factor or even a major factor, but I do think it plays a role in how people percieve the decision.
Finally, I think it's interesting that people see Lebron as such a bad person. From all that i've seen and heard, Lebron is by all accounts fairly likeable asside from his enormous ego. His teammates like him, he is good friends with Bosh and Wade, he seems sociable. As a matter of fact, he seems far more friendly and likeable than many other NBA stars who people seem to hate on far less. Scarecrow, I like you, I think you've started making very knowledgable posts on this site, but you essentially compared Lebron with Hitler. "Hitler had a fan club too." Really? Are people who like Lebron comparable to people who supported the worst human being of all time?
Most die hard Packer fans loathe Brett Favre. Their are huge differences in the situations of what Favre and James did. First off Favre didn't set up an unprecedented hour long special on ESPN.
2nd of all, Favre was contemplating retirement after being with the Packers for a good 16 seasons (1 SuperBowl VICT.) and they had a capable replacement in place (LeBron dictated to the Cavs what player(s) to add right up to last seasons trade deadline and then complained about the players around him and then left) .
While Favre seems to make a spectacle of himself he's never done the "in-your-face" stuff LeBron did after leaving Cleveland (which was made worse by it being James "home team") he was just "wishy washy" while looking for attention. Had LeBron been forthright from the beginning with the Cavs he would never have received all of the negative publicity he has earned.
Still many former Favre fans dislike him for his antics and he readily accepts it... he doesn't call out his critics like James.
There goes Lebron playing the RACE CARD again...
He really just needs to keep his head down and play basketball. The only way for him to shut up the nay sayers is to win. What's that old saying? Living well is the best revenge? He needs to stop addressing the haters as if they matter and just focus on the season. He's letting them get to him.
I'm definitely not a big Lebron fan, but I don't want to see the guy implode either.
Billy k has owned this convo. Number one, LBJ didnt 'bring up race'. He answer a question honestly. And I'm sure that he's gotten more than his share of racial slurs since his decision. I've heard people call Lebron "evil". What has he done to warrant the term "evil"? He went to the place where he could win most?
As for the Farve comparison, Favre has been non-commital to several teams every year for the past five years. Ever year there is ho humming, and contradictions while his teammates are working out. Farve gets a pass on EVERYTHING he does, and things that other players would be crucified for. Seriously, I have never seen a player sit out 5 training camps of any sport, let alone get away with it, ESPECIALLY for a quarterback that makes as many mistakes as Favre has at crucial moments.
Didn't you guys see that poll on ESPN where about 35% whites supported Lebron while 65% blacks supported Lebron
Favre and Lebron are both primadonna jackesses IMO. It has nothing to do about race and everything to do about egotism and self-absorption. And who really takes these polls seriously? Do they really reflect how the overall public feel or are they being flooded by predominantly white angry Cleveland fans?