Quick question...How many surefire Hall of Fame Players do we currently have playing in the NBA at this moment?
A friend of mine brought up the question to me earlier today and I thought it was very interesting. Off of the top of my head, I quickly counted 16. What do you guys think? I'd love to get some feedback.
Here's my list in no specific order...
Derrick Rose (debatable, but every single MVP award-winning player is either
already in the HOF or a virtual lock to get in.)
derrick rose will be in the hall of fame someday
I think Carmelo might also be a HOF.
I know it's unlikely, but I'd love to see Vince get it one day.
I don't know about Carmelo...I thought about including him, but ultimately decided against it. I think the jury is still out on him. He's little more than a one-dimensional scorer who has only made it past the second round of the playoffs twice in 10 years. That's what makes including him in list difficult. However, it is afterall the Naismith Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF and he does have an NCAA National Title under his belt so that has to count for something. I think what he does in the next 2-3 years will ultimately determine his legacy.
Is this HOF worthy?
15-16 years, 19 ppg, 9 rpg, 50% shooting, solid defender, 3-4 NBA Titles, 11-13 time All-Star
I think so.
Made the all star game six times. Could be considered but highly unlikely. Was underrated for most of his career. Holds a career ppg average of 13.4 but he averaged over 19 a game six times as well.
i might agree if it wasn't for that fight during that pistons game years ago.
Those NBA titles will have come as the clear #3 option. I won't go as far as to call him a glorified role player on the Miami Heat, but Lebron James and Dwayne Wade are far and away more responsible for Miami's success than Bosh. His track record as the undisputed #1 option on an NBA team is at best mediocre. What exactly did he do in the seven years he spent in Toronto that qualifies him being a HOF player? He's definitely one of the better players of his era but he's not HOF worthy in my humble opinion.
Wade's skills overlap way more with LeBron than Bosh's. Trade Bosh for any other big and they can't do what he's asked to do for Miami on both offense and defense.
With Toronto, he had averages of 20-9 including 23-10 in his last five seasons. Look at those teams he carried to the playoffs. Anthony Parker (!) was their second leading scorer in 2008 while Jose Calderon and TJ Ford were arguably Toronto's second and third best players on their playoff teams.
Also, he was an Olympian in 2008. That will carry weight. Maybe not much, but at least some.
edit: he's also an 8-time All-Star. That'll likely have a lot more weight than the Olympic appearance. A knock is only one All-NBA nod from him, but the rest of the resume looks like HOF material.
I completely disagree saying no one could do what Bosh does in their offense and defense. I'll give you game 7 of the Spurs series on defense, but you're saying Aldridge or K-Love or even Nowitzki couldn't play Bosh's role?
If you think Kevin Love and Dirk Nowitzki can do what Chris Bosh does defensively for Miami, which is built around a frenzic hyper-aggressive defense, then Lamar Odom wants what you're having.
LaMarcus Aldridge would have the best chance at replicating what Bosh does, but not even he can give what Bosh does offensively, most notably from 16-30 feet where Bosh takes three times as many shots from anywhere else but the paint. It's just not fair that Bosh makes just about 50% of his shots from that area.
Rose isn't hall worthy now, and I say he doesn't make it when it is all said and done. In my opinion hall of famer's get in too easily, should be tougher like in Baseball.
If he returns to even 90% of the player he was before the ACL, and stays healthy, he will be a HOF'er.
The rest of his career would have to be pretty disastrous for him not to get in now that he has an MVP award under his belt. Like I said before, every NBA MVP that's not currently playing is in the Hall of Fame. Every single one. That's why I included him but admitted that it was up for debate. And yeah it is too damn easy to get into the Hall of Fame these days but it is what it is I guess.
To me, Pau and Bosh are in the same category. All stars with two titles as well as international success.
Pau's had a very good career but he went 0-12 in the playoffs in Memphis. And he might have been a top 10
player once in his career.
Bosh has had a similar career. I think he gets in with another title or two along with 5 more good years. I am not the
biggest Bosh fan but I can appreciate what he has done. He's a big man who can play either the 4 or 5 and score inside or out.
You fail to take into account Pau Gasol's stellar international career. Remember its the Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF. Yes Pau Gasol was 0-12 but that was in the loaded Western Conference. Chris Bosh was in the vastly weaker Eastern Conference, and played in the Atlantic division which until very recently was the weakest division in basketball. Also, Pau Gasol played a more vital role on the 2009 and 2010 Lakers championship teams than Bosh did in 2012 or 2013. Career-wise, I'd give Pau a slight edge over Bosh.
Just as you excuse Pau for being in the loaded Western Conference, you must do the same for Melo. Everytime he made the playoffs with Denver, they were the LOWER SEED, always playing against a number 1, 2, or 3 seed. And He has had a great international career with Team USA.
But Melo is a better basketball player than Pau Gasol yet is 2-8 in the first round (which is terrible for a player of his caliber). And it isn't like he hasn't had adequate supporting casts during his career. But yes although I do strongly believe that the international career of a Team USA player means less than that of an international player, 2 Olympic Gold Medals and an NCAA National Title along with career averages of 25 and 6 should be enough to get him in. In that respect I stand corrected and I probably should have included him in my list. All I'm saying is that at this point of his career, a ring would go a long way to ensure his enshrinement given the extent of his playoff failures.
Not a prayer.
Are you kidding me? He's been the best PG in the league for the past 6 years, and is already a top 10 PG of all-time. Paul is definitely a HOF'er.
I also think Billups may have a long shot.
i would be tempted to add
carmelo - been a scoring machine since he entered the league
rondo - remember that triple double streak in the playoffs a couple years ago? and he's got all the rings kg and pierce do.
zbo - maybe the most overlooked player during his tenure as an nba player. has put up numbers and elevated in playoffs.
westbrook - if westbrook ended his career today, he would at least have the ralph sampson argument. (rose would be in)
bosh - maybe the 3rd wheel now on a great team, but 3 finals appearances and back to back rings. was the man on a lemon.
Melo - Most likely. His scoring milestones, All-Star appearances, Olympic appearances, and lone year in college will carry heavy weight.
Rondo - He'll get in. Racking up too many All-Star games not to.
Randolph - Unfortunately not, though I've loved how he's blossomed as a player the last few years.
Westbrook - Ralph Sampson had a storied college career. Can't make the same argument for Westbrook, but his potential says he'll get there. Plenty of years ahead of him.
Bosh - Already said in a previous comment that he'll get in. No need to repeat.
For me, I dont think Kevin Durant is their yet, ONLY because he hasnt played enough years. But he's a lock.
I think Chris Bosh has put together the body of work to be a surefire Hall of Famer.
Derrick Rose, I think, has a little more work to do, and he'll be there.
Carmelo has undoubtedly done enough to be a Hall of Famer. 25ppg 6.4rpg for his career, big roles on USA Gold Winning Teams, Holds a few Olympic Records. Yea he's in there.
Of course CP3 will be a Hall of Famer but what about Deron Williams?
CP3 career 19ppg 10assts, Deron Williams career 18ppg 9assts
If Kevin McHale makes the Hall of Fame, then Chris Bosh should certainly get in if he continues to post the kind of stats he has had thus far in his career- while continuing to accumulate rings.
CP3 is a lock, when asked to do it all he averaged 22 pts, 5 rebs, 12 assists, and over 2 spg. with only David West as their legit #2 option. He put up assist:turnover ratios not seen since Magic and Stockton played
Chris Paul averaged 22+ ppg once in his career and 12+ apg NEVER.
What do you guys think about someone like Tyler Hansbrough?
He isn't very good in the NBA, but he had one of the more decorated collegic careers that I can remember. As quoted from his wiki page Hansbrough, "was a unanimous selection for the 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 Atlantic Coast Conference All Conference Team, 2006 ACC Freshman of the Year, and 2008 ACC Player of the Year. He is the ACC's all-time leading scorer. In 2008, he won the Wooden Award and was the National Player of the Year. His jersey (number 50) was retired on February 10, 2010 during a Duke-North Carolina rivalry game."
He may not be a great NBA player, but if this is really the BASKETBALL hall of fame, then there isn't a scintilla of doubt that TH should be in it when it's all said and done.
Good point and interesting to be reminded about how decorated he was in college. But if you imagine that he doesn't get much better and yet has a 10+ year NBA career, then there will be too many years of journey man status in the NBA that will cloud his college achievements. So I'd say he has zero chance.
Tyler's NBA career definitely keeps him from being a Hall of Famer. Christian Laettner was better in college and the NBA than Tyler and will never come close to the Hall.
If only I replied to this topic yesterday before T-Mac officially retired from the NBA
Not saying he's a Hall of Famer, but I have a feeling 20-25 years from now (maybe sooner who knows) people are going to look at Shawn Marion's statistics, then at his highlights, and wonder why he didn't receive more Hall of Fame consideration.
He'll also be closing in on 17,000 points and 10,000 rebounds next season with one ring, 4 All-Star appearances, and two All-NBA nods to go with his milestones. It's not the best of resumes by any means, but a hell of a career nonetheless.
Also, great nickname in The Matrix.
I think westbrook will get in 23 pts, 7 asts, 5 rbs 2 stls is great, if he does that for if he has another 7 or 8 seasons, I think he could get in with out a championship. I love the way westbrook plays, he has the hall of fame/ winners mentality and work ethic. He plays every game, I think he will improve his jumper more so he will be able to play good when he is older too.
Stats are not as important as accolades and hardware. A player like Antawn Jamison averages close to 19 and 8 for his career and is approaching 20,000 points as well. However, he is just a 2X all-star, with no All-NBA teams and no rings. His longevity is impressive, but the fact that he has never been a top five player at his position hinders his selection- opposed to players like Tracy McGrady or Grant Hill who have both been named to All-NBA teams five or more times- while being recognized as elite players. Jamison will likely have more points in his career than anybody who is not in the hall of fame.
Some others who MIGHT get in:
1. Yao Ming (surefire in my eyes)
2. Amare Stoudemire ( everyone can hate on him all they want, but he has the stats and the accolades- 21.3, 8.6, 1x all-NBA 1st team, 4x all-nba 2nd team)
I'm not convinced Ginobili will get in on the strength of his NBA play alone, but his international success should put him over the line. I wouldn't consider him a lock though.
These guys aren't locks, but Harden and K Love just need to keep doing what they are doing and they will be locks. Harden can't be a lock because he only has one dominate season (last season) but considering he has been super efficient now for three seasons in a row, there is no reason to think he won't get there. And he already has Olympic experience and All Star status. Love's injuries seemed to be freak injuries (doing knuckle pushups (or as I suspect without any evidence to back this up, punching something)). So assuming he doesn't become injury prone, his rebounding stats for his career will be ridiculous especially if he remains a 20 point per game scorer. And Love is quite young as well, so probably not in his prime yet.
Guys like Adrian Dantley, Bernard King, and others got in well over a decade after they retired despite not being first ballot HOF caliber players.
I honestly think guys like Jamison and Carter getting in years after their first ballot eligibility.
Chauncey Billups. I think Rip Hamilton number will be retired in Detroit
I would be pretty shocked to see Jamison in the Hall. Guys like Bernard King and Adrian Dantley were far more dominant in their prime.
Sure Jamison has averaged 18.8 PPG and 7.6 RPG for his career but he's never enjoyed team success and has only made 2 All-Star games and had no All-NBA team selections. If they let Jamison into the Hall they might as well let the floodgates open and put Elton Brand, Jermaine O'Neal, Glenn Robinson, Carlos Boozer etc in as well
Agreed no chance of Jamison getting in. Volume low efficiency scorer with mediocre defense. And he has be largely recognized as such during most of his career as evidenced by limited All Star and no All-NBA selections that you point out. He should get into the Hall of Fame for longevity. Along with Juan Howard. But not really much more than that.