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A quick overview of Duke and analysis of Rivers

I'm really interested to see Duke play this year. Obviously by my name, I'm a huge Duke fan, but I'm more intrigued to see this team than I have been in years. Why?

Well first off: the focal point on offense happens to be the least prototypical duke player I've seen in recent memory. Mr. Austin Rivers is going to be the main focus on offense, most likely.

I’m going to do my best to analyze:

Ryan Kelly

Mason Plumlee

Touch a little bit on Quinn Cook

And of course, Austin Rivers

So, on to my first point: I think Ryan Kelly is going to have a huge year.

Remember, Kelly won the Micky D's 3 point shootout when he was coming out. Dude can stroke it (no homo). Kelly dealt with a massive lack of strength through his first two years at college though. If you watch highlights from the NC pro-am, you'll see that he's really filled his frame out, and is starting to look kinda cut. He's refined his back to the basket game, and seems to be primed for a breakout season.

Now, if you've watched a lot of Duke basketball, you know that Kelly is an extremely underrated shot blocker. For a pretty unathletic white guy he blocks a lot of shots, due to his excellent timing, and high basketball IQ. Everyone seems to be hyping up Mason Plumlee as the guy who's going to fix Duke's post player scoring woes, but I think Kelly has better tools to be a go-to back to the basket scorer. Idk if Krzyzewski sees it the way I do (and god knows that matters. He only goes 7 deep on a team full of McDonald's all americans) so we'll see if Kelly gets enough time on the floor to have the impact I'm hoping for.

As for Mason Plumlee, I'm not sure if he's going to have the year that everyone is expecting. Take a look at last season. When Kyrie was playing, Mason looked like an all-american (okay, well at least fringe all-ACC first team). He really needs a facilitating point guard to thrive. Once Nolan Smith took over, a pretty good distributer/playmaker in his own right, but nowhere near the level of Irving, Plumlee's numbers plummeted. Now for a prediction.

Projection of Mason Plumlee's year: If Austin Rivers plays the lead guard role for Duke, Mason Plumlee won’t have nearly the year thats expected of him. As I see it, Rivers will be an offensive catalyst a la Nolan Smith. He's going to get into the paint at a high rate, causing the defense to collapse on him. Obviously, this is going to make the paint congested, making it a bit harder for Mason to get easy dunks. This sort of offense would really benefit a drive and kick scenario, where Rivers draws the D, and kicks it out to open shooters on the perimeter (Say what you want about Duke, but Andre Dawkins and Seth Curry are two of the best 3 point shooters in the NCAA). Duke could win a lot of games this way, but once again, they'd be a live-or-die by the 3 type of team. Not a recipe for going deep into the tournament (look at the year they were bounced early by Pitt, or the year where they got destroyed by Nova). High percentage shots increase a teams chances of going deep in the tournament (Sullinger or Greg Oden with OSU, or the John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins UK team-even though none of those teams won the championship).

Now, if Quinn Cook is seeing significant time at the one, I feel that Mason is going to have a huge year. If you haven’t seen Cook play, he’s prototypical pass-fist point guard, with the ability to shoot the 3 ball at an above average rate. He’s very quick with the ball in his hands, but not particularly explosive. His best attribute is, undoubtedly, his passing ability.

Cook doesn’t make plays in the Kyrie Irving mold, per se. He isn’t a great finisher at the rim, due to his lack of height. He seems to be very good at drawing extra defenders and working angles for his passes. He also excels at the dump-off pass at the rim, after getting the opposing big men in the air. It’s pretty easy to imagine this working extremely well with Mason Plumlee, as Plumlee is very explosive and finishes well above the rim, especially when he doesn’t have to finish through an opposing big man.

Cook is also very good at throwing alley-oop passes. Last year, we saw Irving throw a ton of lobs to a cutting Plumlee, which led to a ton of easy buckets. IMO, Cook can offer this up as well. He should be able to throw a ton of alley-oops to Mason, for easy buckets.

If everything works the way I think it will with Cook at the point(if he plays significant minutes), look for Mason to be mentioned in the mid to low lottery area, the way he was last year, when Irving was playing early in the season.

Now on to Rivers:

I can't wait to see Krzyzewski base his offense around an EXTREMELY flashy 2-guard like Rivers. This kid is going to be all over Sportscenter's top 10 plays. I played high school ball in Florida and, while I never played against him, I've talked to a lot of college players (really high level defenders. Some extremely athletic ones at that) and all I've heard is that he's basically unguardable. Defenders are proud just to hold him under 30, and not get completely embarrassed by him. He makes tons of dudes fall with his handles (just look at Lorenzo Brown at the NC pro-am. Dude didn’t slip. He tripped over his own feet).

Here’s an analysis from what I’ve seen when watching Mr. Rivers:

Strengths: He's an elite iso player who has every dribble move in the book, and busts out tons of moves that I've never even seen before. Dude has a yo-yo handle. I think he's an underrated passer, because his high school team was devoid of talent and he had to shoot a ton of shots. Brett Comer (FAU or FIU, idr) was the only other guy on that team who could put the ball through the hoop. Rivers basically never passed in high school. He jacked up like 30 shots a game, a lot of which were low-percentage shots (highly contested pull-up 3's, especially with that between the legs hesitation pull that he uses so much). Krzyzewski has enough talent on his roster to bench this kid if he's being a head-case, so I think Rivers will be motivated to play smarter this year. If Rivers is a good enough passer, I really think he can thrive in Nolan Smith’s lead guard role that is currently vacant. Rivers has also greatly improved his athleticism of late. Before, this was a knock on his game. People were starting to question if he’d be able to beat elite college athletes off the dribble. I think this is no longer an issue. People were ranting about the dunks he threw down at the NC pro-am, the last venue where he’s played. I even heard one reporter say something along the lines of “Rivers wowed the crowd with his jaw-dropping displays of athleticism,”. I think he’s worked really hard to iron out this part of his skill set to prepare for the next level.

Weaknesses: I’ve mentioned this before on this forum and I got negatives, and a bunch of people telling me otherwise, but I’m going to say it again, mostly because I’ve watched Rivers play a lot, and I’m very certain that I’m not wrong. In high school and AAU ball, Austin Rivers couldn’t guard a chair. I’m not saying he’s not capable of being a good defender, but he wasn’t putting any effort into defense during his high school days. A lot of this can be credited to the role he played. He was the only scoring option, so his coach probably didn’t want to risk putting him in foul trouble, or wasting his efforts on defense. Rivers appears to have the tools to be a good defender. His lateral quickness appears to be above average, but he really just needs to start putting in more effort. I’m hoping that he’ll start to show this over the next season.

The other main problem with Rivers is his body language. For a kid who’s the son of an NBA coach, Rivers has horrible body language. When he misses shots he pouts. He pouts and hangs his head on bad calls from the ref. I’m sure Krzyzewski will work this out and there are a lot of things that are a worse weakness is body language.

River’s also needs to work on his left hand. He is pretty good at handling with the left, but it seems like he favors the right a bit. This weakness really comes into play when he’s finishing at the hoop. Rivers finishes almost exclusively with his right hand. He loves to finish on the left side with his right hand as well. In college, more athletic post players are going to take advantage of that, and block his shot.

Overall: Rivers has as much skill as any freshman in his class. He’s an explosive scorer with and ego which will help drive him to become an elite player in college, and maybe in the NBA. He’s got all of the tools to be a great player, he just needs to work on consistency and defense. His jumpshot is a little overrated at this point. He hits it very well, but it’s still a little bit streaky. He’s not the type of guy that hits every open shot he takes (like Jimmer or Steph Curry). I really like his potential, and hopefully Krzyzewski can start to iron out some of the rougher edges of his game.


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Rivers' best case scenario to

Rivers' best case scenario to me is Kevin Martin. He could give you 22-25 points a night, but to go along with just 3 rebounds, 2 assists, more than 2 turnovers with a very, very high usage rate. And it's no coincidence that Martin's never played a meaningful game in his pro career. And, mind you, Martin is a best case scenario unless Rivers learns to become a passer as well as a scorer, as Martin put up 23.5 points in just 32.5 minutes last year, which is borderline ridiculous. Is Rivers a hugely skilled young player with equally huge upside? No doubt. But is he the type of guy you necessarily want as the focal point of your team? For me, no way.

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Great analysis. The only

Great analysis. The only thing I disagreed with was that you questioned if Kelly would have enough time on the floor. Kelly IS going to start and will likely be one of our top scorers.

I share your pessimism about the Plumlees. All three are incredibly raw and haven't developed a go to post-move. Hopefully the addition of Jeff Capel on the coaching staff can change that.

I feel like Rivers is going to have maybe a rocky start to his freshman campaign but I can see him averaging 16 ppg by the end of the year and hopefully All-ACC first team.

Curry

Rivers

Dawkins

Kelly

Mason

That's my projected starting lineup. I assume K will make a lot of tweaks to that and we might even see a freshman (Murphy, or Gbinije) take the starting spot from Dawkins. We are going to be VERY young in that every single player on our team will have to take on a new role. I think right now Duke's biggest weakness is leadership. When you lose the number one draft pick, a 1st team All-American, and a 4 time All-ACC player there is going to be some questions as to who is going to be the MAN.

The answer to this question can either lead this team to a similar record to last year or a dismal season where we might have 10 losses.

Whatever the outcome is I just know that this is going to be a fun year because we'll be able to see all our young guys grow as the season progresses and hopefully we can a 1 or 2 seed by the time the tournament rolls around.

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Seth Curry

Curry will start and play the majority of the minutes at point guard. He will be a facilitor and make sure the team is in the right offensive position. Kind the way Jon Scheyer played point for Duke during his senior season.

Cook will be a non factor this season if he cant fully recover from his knee injury.

River's needs to learn to play off the ball during half court sets. But I wouldn't be surprise if the ball is in his hands during crutch time.

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I really think that this Duke

I really think that this Duke squand is extremely talented. Real, knowledgable basketball fans are starting to undervalue Rivers and what he can do for a squad. Why? Because everyone and his uncle is D!ck riding this kid, and its gotten way out of hand.

I think this team will basically go as far as Rivers can take him. It's obvious that he's the X-factor and he could carry Duke really far in the tournament.

As for Kelly, @akhan, i hope so. I really hope he steals Miles' position away from him. He's a great fit for Duke. He can step away and shoot the 3, as well as play defense, and rebound at a high rate. He's always had a good handle for his size, and I've been seeing a developed back to the basket game this summer. Look out for a big season.

I think that Kelly can be what everyone was hoping for from Josh McRoberts. Sure, Kelly's nowhere near as athletic, but he's got a great basketball IQ. McRoberts played like a chicken with its head cut off. Kelly can definitely match his production, there's no question in my mind.

An underrated aspect of Ryan Kelly: He blocked shots last season at a higher rate than Mason Plumlee. Kelly has a sky high bball IQ, and always puts himself in position to make a play, despite his somewhat limited athleticism. Look for his blocks average to skyrocket from 1.4 bpg last season, while seeing a ton more minutes.

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@sammybuckeye I don't want to

@sammybuckeye I don't want to throw rivers in the same category as Kevin Martin yet. If he continues to be a shot-jacking blackhole of a player in college, sure, but as of right now, he's just like every other talented player on a high school team. They're all the best players on their teams, and jacking up shots is the most efficient way of their team scoring.

Its a lot like Marshon Brooks playing on Providence last season. He shot a good clip, even though he jacket a bunch of awful shots.

@johnnychill Yeah i just read an article where Wojo was quoted saying that Curry has been working on his playmaking and point guard skills.

Hey I'd be happy with Seth Curry playing the point half as well as his older brother, with Austin Rivers playing along side him.

Once again though, Krzyzewski devises his gameplan and offensive strategy based upon his current personnel. Rivers needs the ball in his hands. I'm sure he could be effective as a spot up shooter, or running of screens, but when the ball isn't in his hands it removes a potentially dynamic element of Duke's offense.

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Well, Cook won't be getting

Well, Cook won't be getting anytime at all until September, seeing as he won't be playing.

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Does anyone ever remember

Does anyone ever remember tyler thornton

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Tyler Thornton is third on

Tyler Thornton is third on the depth chart behind a healthy Cook. I imagine he'll get a lot more minutes if Cook can't come back 100%.

Thornton makes our offense a bit stagnant since he can't do anything really well on that end, but he is an absolute stalwart on defense and he'll be brought in to give a little energy on the defensive end.

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Ive actually been

Ive actually been balling/hanging out with Quin Cook this summer.

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I found this to be super

I found this to be super insightful. Good analysis.

I have a question though, what's your projected starting lineup?

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@ JNixon, Didn't coach K say

@ JNixon, Didn't coach K say he expects the starting lineup to be

Curry

Rivers

Dawkins

Mason

Miles

With Ryan Kelly potentially starting in place of Miles?

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I hope the lineup has Kelly

I hope the lineup has Kelly in it because, even though Miles is a senior, he's not going to provide any leadership whatsoever. Also, have you noticed that while the Plumlees are extremely athletic in almost everything they do, they have no eye-hand coordination at all. It pains me to watch Mason or Miles rebound becasue I can always picture the ball going on the floor or getting poked out by a tiny point guard who is putting up better numbers than all of the Duke all-americans who are riding the bench. I love Duke but K really doesn't develop big men very well all that often. Every once in a while a big man comes along that puts it all together but how many talented guys have we seen come through and not be productive? I hope Capel can fix this and by doing so, help get some other big men to come to Duke like McGary or Perry Ellis. Developing big men is the differance between Duke being a good team every year, and being unstoppable every year as they always have the best guards in the country. Duke's top recruit for this year wasn't Rivers, it was Capel. And I Rivers could be the best player in the country during the second half of this year.

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@estebansf. I totally agree.

@estebansf. I totally agree. I'm tired of watching Duke big men running around like they've never played basketball before, making stupid play after stupid play. The last guy who was any good at scoring in the post was Shelden Williams.. I mean seriously, that was a really long time ago. I really hope we land McGary, Ellis, or Adam Woodbury for next years class. Actually, Tony Parker would be a really nice add. I heard he's got some post moves

@McBased. Tyler Thornton is a nice, defensive minded point guard, but I question his ability to run a team. He doesn't seem dynamic enough to be a starter. He doesn't make many mistakes, and he plays really hard, but he's just not that talented. Sure he could be a servicable player, but i'd much rather have a dynamic player with the ball in his hands, at this level. Thornton doesn't really do anything well on offense. He allows the defense to relax when he's got the ball in his hands, and enables his defender to sag off a bit, and clog the lane. Not really what i'd look for in a starter if i was coach K

@JohnnyChill, I actually wrote this about a week ago, before Wojo was quoted saying that Cook's injury is still nagging him, and that the team is going to China without him. A big setback for him, and for duke. Hopefully he's able to come back and play a significant role.

@Jnixon, iguapops seems to be pretty right to me. I'd say the starting lineup will look like this:

Guard: Seth Curry

Guard: Austin Rivers

Guard: Andre Dawkins

Post: Ryan Kelly

Post: Mason Plumlee

I think that either Curry or Rivers will spend the majority of the time at the 1, unless cook can wrestle it away from them later in the year. The coaches are going to experiment with lineups a lot during their trip to China, and it should be interesting to see how the different lineups work. Basically, they will probably go with multiple looks, making use of both Curry and Rivers at the point. The non-conference slate should give the coaches a chance to see who is able to handle the lead guard role the best. I need to see more of them play, but as of right now, I'd look to see Rivers and Curry split time as the lead ball handler. Curry is much better as a spot up shooter, and Rivers is much better at creating his own offense, from the very small sample size that i've seen thus far.

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The only

quibble I have with this analysis is that every time I have seen Cook play he has been anything BUT a pass first PG. He has jacked up bad shots and forced plays in the paint that just were not there. Granted he wa dealing with some nagging injuries at the time, but still...

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great analysis by everyone, really looking foward to this season, this has to be one of the deepest most talented duke teams in a long time, I remember last year when coack k was recruiting kyrie I noticed he would say things like "we just want him to be himself" but with rivers it seems like he is already getting on him to not just be a one dimensional player but to be a complete players and it sounds like rivers is taking it in, he is very talented and people say he may be a better pro than kyrie but we will see, I agree that the main concern with this team is leadership seeing as how miles is the only senior, so we will see who becomes a captain and a leader, very excited for these exhibition games coming up just to see what the team looks like, also it would be dope to go to the maui invitational in november

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@ChirsP Though this is a bad

@ChirsP Though this is a bad example, if you saw the McDonald's All-American game you really saw how talented he was at the passing lanes and an overall distributor. He was one of the leaders in assists and he very quietly had 14 points. And imo he even outplayed Rivers. I believe the reason why he jacked up so many shots was because he felt he had to be the MAN for Oak Hill especially towards the end of the season when Ben Mclemore and Sidiki Johnson got kicked off the team.

Just hope this guy can get back to 100%.

Also...has anybody else noticed that Duke PGs have A LOT of bad luck...

Bobby Hurley-Car accident

Jay Williams- Motorcycle accident

Jon Scheyer- coudn't make the Miami Heat roster because he almost got his eye poked out

Kyrie- his f***ing TOE

And now Cook? Jesus.

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check it, this is what I have to say about this Blue Devil Team

Duke will be a lil overrated b/c of hype (not saying some of it isn't true, they have talent)! but none the less they will still be a pretty good team but just not top 5 elite. IMO atleast top 4 ACC and I think their final ranking will be 10-15 nationally

1st Team: Dawkins PG, Austin SG Michael G. SF Mason P. PF Miles P. C

S. Curry - almost have not choice but to put him a the 6th man, no PG skills and no Dfense

Cook - best potential and skill to be the best PG on the team, (I want to put him as a starting PG)

Marshall P. - heard he was being redshirted, but he adds size to the team

R. Kelly - might wanna keep him on the bench

Alex M. - he should help out the team but will be limited b/c of position depth, good mid-range shooter

Bench Warmers, nuff said: Tyler Thornton - Joshua H. - Todd Z. - David M.

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Look man you obviously don't

Look man you obviously don't follow Duke basketball very closely so I guess that's why your analysis was a bit misinformed...

Dawkins is NOT a PG and Seth Curry has developed into a pretty fine PG and is the projected starter at the position. His handle and passing abilities are incredibly underrated and he led the team last year in steals...

Also Ryan Kelly is going to be a main part of our offense and will probably average 10+ ppg. People seem to forget that stretch where he went 20-26 on his field goal attempts last year.

Also, I don't really get where you came up with Duke having a lot of hype...Not even Duke fans think this is going to be a fantastic year and many don't think we are going to contend for a national championship. The fact that you think that Duke is overrated is laughable at best.

You really think Duke is going to end up 4th in the ACC? Seriously? Name 2 teams other than Carolina that is better than Duke. Duke probably has the most talent from 1-12 in the entire country and add that to the fact they have Coach K? The ACC is going to be incredibly weak this year with all of the coaching changes and I only see Duke losing 3-4 games in conference play (2 of them coming from Carolina).

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@akhan786 wait a min! lol, My review is not for you to judge

1. I said Duke will at least be 4th in the ACC, I didn't say at best, so that means Duke could end up being 1-4 place in the ACC (others team to contend for the top 4 ACC, Florida St., NC State, Boston College, Miami and VT)

2. Curry is not a PG and will never will be, he's a good shooter and pick n roll guy thats bout it, not a PG by far!

3. Ryan Kelly is about garbage, and if he ends up scoring 10+ pts a game, then Duke must be having a rough year

4. I said a little overhyped, yes! you asked how, right now and I sure over the next few months Duke will be ranked in the to 8 nationally! (many Duke fans think they are top 5 this year) {yeah your word vs mine, but I win if any preseason rankings have Duke in top 8}, keep me posted!

5. Duke will loose 5+ games this year, no doubt

ha ha ha ha ha ha! yup, thats funny

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I think WORST CASE scenario

I think WORST CASE scenario for Duke is 3rd place in the ACC, but 2nd is probably where they finish. UNC is going to be one and I think Florida St and Miami will land in 3rd and 4th respectively.

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I don't like the Kevin Martin

I don't like the Kevin Martin comparison.

Martin can play off of the ball, catch and shoot, etc. Doesn't need to hold the ball for long periods of time. IF you watch Rivers closely, he rarely plays off of the ball and also holds the ball for half of the shot clock before he shoots. He's one of those kind of players who just doesn't understand how to just catch and shoot OR move the ball... He has to dribble first.

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I thought the same thing when

I thought the same thing when I read that last night. He reminds me more of Monta Ellis with better range. Personally I see something closer to 17, 4 and 4 for Rivers. His points could be higher or lower given the team and whether he's on a winner/loser or fast paced /half court. Honestly wouldn't mind seeing him end up in PHX or GSW(to replace Ellis and make him tradeable)

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IndianaBasketball, I'm with

IndianaBasketball, I'm with you on that about Rivers. But you have to understand that that's what his teams have needed him to do in the past. He was the first, second and third offensive options for Winter Park. Now I will concede that his ball dominant tendencies may prove to be a bit of a stumbling block for Duke, but I'm hopeful that he can overcome them.

Now I thought I would take a minute to discuss the Beal-Gordon, Rivers-Mayo comparisons that have been arising a lot on this board recently. Frankly, while personality wise they may be similar, in terms of talent and NBA potential, I think they are pretty off base. What Mayo and Rivers DO have in common is that both have been incredibly highly ranked and dominated high school from a very early age. But the manner in which they have done so, and in which their games have progressed is quite different. Mayo was simply more physically developed than his peers and used his body, along with his advanced skill set to overwhelm the competition. His struggles in the NBA have come from the fact that his athleticism, while early-blooming, is really nothing to write home about. Gordon on the other hand, while it was not immediately apparent, ended up being a much better athlete than mayo, with far more explosion in his game.

Rivers, began his reign as one of the top high school players in the nation as a baby-faced, undersized, jump shooting combo guard, who while talented, was nothing out of the ordinary from an athletic stand point. Unlike for Mayo, it has only been in the past couple years that Rivers has really come into his own athletically, developing a lethal first step and showing off some excellent leaping ability. He has even grown to 6'5 in shoes, which is a solid size for an NBA 2.

I would elaborate on this more, but I need to go to work. The point here being that while their styles may be similar, Mayo dominated early because he was far more developed than the high schoolers he faced. Rivers has dominated throughout his scholastic career, and he has done so without initially physically overwhelming his competition. Gordon has surpassed Mayo because he has proved to be a better athlete. Beal is not more athletic than Rivers, and the gap seems to be widening as Rivers matures.

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Mr. Hancoc, No way Boston

Mr. Hancoc, No way Boston College sniffs fourth place in the ACC this year and if you didnt want people to evaluate your review dont post it

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I only said possibly!

I only said possibly! I didn't say that they would be

QUIT READING WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE

AND READ WHAT THE POST ACTUALLY SAYS!

"why are you all trying to add things to my post that I didn't post?"

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Duke is somewhere in the top 4 of the ACC, who are the other?....

Duke is a little over rated, I think and the preseason polls show it!

player evaluations is what ever, but Curry playing PG and Kelly scoring 10+ pts for Duke is a problem

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You should take your own

You should take your own advice, I said Boston College wouldnt sniff the top 4 meaning they would not contend.

You said Boston College would contend for the top 4 as well as NCST, Miami, FST, and VT.

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Duke ranks 2-5 ACC and 10-15 NCAA

he said you said they said I said ya mama said lol!

its whatever!

who care about were BC or Duke or NCST or even FST end up at, they all will be watching UNC win the NCAA title

this year is all about the Tarheels baby!

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I do think Duke can be top 8

I do think Duke can be top 8 because they have a lot talent and they also have Coach K. I don't think that's overrated, I think that's exactly where they should be.

They can still lose 6-7 games and still be in the top 8 and I can understand them dropping a couple early losses beacause they're young.

Take off those light blue shades bro and make your opinions logically.

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logically huh, just about

logically huh, just about everything we say on here is logical but the real question will be "who's right and who's wrong?"

we've seen good teams ranked in the top 10 preseason completely fall out the top 25 many times before and those preseason rankings were logically opinionated, for example Kansas St. last yr.

truth is you know about as much (much less) as I do how good or bad truely Duke is, but only time will tell

This wasn't me being bias but just only stating my true opinion of Duke and some of its players

but everything does look better with those Heaven Blue Shades on.....I'll even take Red ones

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Saying Curry is not a PG and

Saying Curry is not a PG and never will be and also saying Kelly is garbage is not logical my friend.

I don't know how Duke will do, but I'm sure I have a more well-informed opinion about Duke than you. Just as I'm sure you know more about UNC then me.

Your UNC bias does come out in your posts but I have no problem with that. I'm simply reminding you to at least show some semblance that you have a reasonable opinion of Duke.

I mean I'm man enough to say I believe UNC will win it all this year because they have the perfect blend of defense, experience, and young talent that has shown under Roy's system can lead to a National Title. That is fact while your argument mostly cosisted of a preconceived opinion of Duke players from last year.

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UNC is clearly the best team

UNC is clearly the best team in the ACC this year, I will absolutely concede that. But I think as large as the gap is between UNC and Duke, the gap between Duke and the rest of the league is even larger. I will be pretty shocked if Duke doesn't finish second this year.

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It's also nice to see that

It's also nice to see that there are some more Duke fans around. Back when I was posting more I seemed to be the only one.

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who said I was UNC? I was just giving prop where they are due

Im not sure if UNC will win the title but if I was a betting man I would put my money on them, no doubt Kentucy isn't a bad pick either

lol still about Curry, he is not a PG and will never be....guess we will have to wait and see him in the NBA, well if he makes it there? but hey &$#%#&@! happens, Im sure Curry will be listed as a G just not PG b/c it looks like Duke will be starting 3 Guards.....well maybe, I wouldn't though, they not Villanova-ish type of Guards

Austin R. is more of a PG than Curry and as well Dawkins and Cook

calling Kelly "about garbage" is just my way of saying "he's not really a factor against the better teams, sure he will get a lil PT but its best to just keep him off the court as much as possible", I still think its a joke when Coach K starts him every now and then. Maybe on another team Kelly would have turned out to be a better player, hmmm just maybe

Blue Devil Fans just hate to hear the truth! your team is overrated a little just like last year's team (they were pretty good, Dicky V and preseason picked em #1 and they didn't even make it past the sweet 16)

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Well first of all, I think

Well first of all, I think Duke was far from overrated last year. They lost their best player at the beginning of the season, and found it difficult to reintegrate him back into the lineup. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that things may have turned out differently if they had had Irving for the majority of the season.

In terms of Curry, he may not be a PG in the traditional sense, but Rivers is going to have the ball in his hands a ton, so I'm not sure they need a Kyrie Irving type lead guard.

Also I don't think is necessarily overrated this year, I just think the field is fairly top heavy. While this year's team may not be as good as a typical team ranked #5 or #6, I am hard pressed to find many lower ranked teams that are better than they are. This year's CBB season has a clear first tier of teams: UNC, UK and OSU, and then everyone else.

I don't think Duke will be fantastic this year, but can you really name more than five or six teams that will be legitimately better?

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I think Duke, by the end of

I think Duke, by the end of the season, could be up there with UNC, Kentucky, and Ohio State because, based on talent, they are right there with those schools. If K can develop that talent (China will help a lot and give Duke a head start), then I see no reason why they can't compete for a title. Ryan Kelly tore up the NC Pro-am and looked athletic, stronger, and like a guy who can make an impact. Dawkins looked great too as he filled out and got quicker. Curry apperently has gotten a lot better (K said this), and Rivers is working his tail off to be the best player he can be (which means during the 2nd half of the year he may be electric). Mason Plumlee worked all offseason to get stronger and worked on his post-game and also Alex Murphy looks great in the videos ive seen of him. He looks like a more athletic freshman-year Singler who could play well down the stretch this year. Duke will need someone to lead this year, but talent-wise they are right there.

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(they were pretty good, Dicky

"(they were pretty good, Dicky V and preseason picked em #1 and they didn't even make it past the sweet 16)"

WOW okay guys stop feeding this ignorant troll. And to Duke fans on this site, this guy in no way represents the UNC fan base. Their majority is pretty reasonable, this guy is just a little nutty.

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I wonder if Alex Murphy will

I wonder if Alex Murphy will get a starting roll, he does seem a lil Singler-like but Im more interested in see what Michael G.'s play looks like with this team. Coach K will really have to find a way to make Mason more of an offensive force(probably the primary guy in pick n roll situatuins), it would really take some of the pressure off the guards. Any word on Marshall P. being redshirted? I wonder if Duke is gonna be more of a pick n roll team this year more so than just spreat the floor like in the past. Also adding Capel to the coaching staff was also a good move for them.

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