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A Question on the UNC vs Washington game

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A Question on the UNC vs Washington game

I'm guessing most of you guys saw John Henson's bonehead play of touching the ball when it was clearly going out of bounds with 1.5 seconds left.

...Can anyone explain to me how come Washington only had .5 seconds left...

I watched the after game and some reporter said that the Washington coaches asked for a review for the time but the clock operator said "it's not when the ball goes out of bounds, it's when the ref calls it."

THEN apparently some expert on officiating also came on air and agreed with this statement.

I don't know about you guys, but in my experience with basketball it has always been WHEN THE BALL GOES OUT OF BOUNDS THE TIME STOPS.

There was one more second on the clock for Washington to work with and though they probably would've still missed it, at least give them a chance.

Or if Isaiah Thomas had that one more second to get behind the three point line and shoot it AND John Henson stupidly goal tended it again we'd get to enjoy another overtime thriller.

I don't really know why I posted this because there is obviously nothing we can do but I just wanted some clarification on the rule because apparently I've been wrong for the last couple of years.


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i'm right there with you dude

Here's what i found in the NBA Rule Book:

Section IV-Dead Ball
a. The ball becomes dead and/or remains dead when the following occurs:
(1) Official blows his/her whistle

but then it seems as though they contradict that rule right here:

Section II-Ball
a. The ball is out-of-bounds when it touches a player who is out-of-bounds or any other person, the floor, or any object on, above or outside of a boundary or the supports or back of the backboard.

So I guess the first rule supplants the second one? I don't know man, how many times have they gone back and switched the time in these kind of situations? I feel like almost every game and most of the time it seems like when the ref blew the whistle does not even come into play. And your right, we obviously have no influence but it seems to me they screwed the pooch on that one.

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out of bounds call

The reason the clock wasn't stopped sooner is that the ball must first touch down out of bounds before the clock actually stops. If you looked at the replay the ball crossed the in bounds line with 1.2 seconds to go but didn't actually touch out of bounds for a few 10ths of a second later. That was why the play clock wasn't stopped sooner.

hope that helps

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^ your wrong, it hit out of

^ your wrong, it hit out of bounds with around 1.2 left.

I don't get this, everytime they've put time back on the clock in the past it has always been when the ball hit out(which seems logical), so why do it when the ref actually realizes it.

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@heelsgot5

yeah dude, did you actually watch the game? it clearly hit the floor at 1.02 seconds left

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John Henson

That was definitely a boneheaded play, and he did not have an incredible game by any means, but people almost forget that this guy also made maybe the most crucial play at the end of the game covering that inbounds pass. Amazing length and a very heads up play. Yes, it was boneheaded and yes, that rule does seem to be somewhat contradictory, but Washington did indeed make some huge boneheaded plays down the stretch as well, including not taking into account that John Henson is Stretch Armstrong. Isaiah would have undoubtedly have gotten a much better shot with more time on the clock, which stings, but he still would have had to make the shot and than they would have had to beat a team that was playing much better at that point of the game in OT.

I do not want to completely defend Henson, because he made two huge lapses in judgment, but he also was crucial in both NC building the lead with his tipped inbounds pass and making Isaiah last shot a two pointer. He was incredibly dim in touching the shot floating out of bounds, but you can credit that to maybe instinct. However, people made such a huge deal about, "Oh, he goal tended on the last shot". That shot was a mile short. I do not think it was even coming close to contact with the rim. If they had called it a goaltend, that would have been ridiculous, although the refs have made awful calls during this tourney. It was stupid, and he should have let it go, but it was a mile short, no goaltend was called and I think they were trying to create drama by disputing it. Washington maybe should have gotten more time, though the refs covered themselves with the whistle blowing at .5, but the goaltend is just people trying to make it seemed like Washington got robbed rather than lost this game. Texas has much more to complain about than Washington, as they were actually up in the game and charged with a turnover that is disputed by evidence of sped up timing. Washington much more so screwed themselves over, and were incredibly lucky to even have a shot with Overton's ridiculous chuck trying to draw a foul.

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