Question for Raptors fans
Do you agree that its time for Jay Triano to go?
This team sucks so we might as well let a sucky coach call the shots. No coach can do the only thing that could change this team around - Teach Andrea how to react in a timely fashion to anything that happens on the court.
Let Triano fumble around for the rest of the year and can him in June. In the meantime, I hope BC is shopping Andrea and willing to take whatever he can get for him. Without a dominant center at his side, Bargnani just has too many holes in his game to try and make up for. And it's easier to get rid of him than it is to try and wait around for a legit defensive presence in the middle.
I definitely think its about time. You cant really blame him for the horrible record but just the way he spreads the minutes kinda &$#%#&@! me off.
He has a bunch of young good players who defend and play with energy and yet hes still playing the older guys more minutes than i think he should especially since we are in absolute rebuild mode.
For example: Bayless starts with calderon out and records a near triple double with 15pts 11ast 8reb and the following game with calderon back he gets 6 first half minutes and 8 garbage time minutes in a blowout. He shoulda been played much more than that.
And i dont care if Kleiza, Calderon and Barbosa are better players, with or without them on the court were more than likely going to lose this year so you might as well play the younger players and improve their games through experience.
yeah myswell keep jay around for the rest of the year, then get someone else. Jay being there translates into fewer wins and a better draft position.
I'm very sick of seeing bargs come on the court and jack a bunch of contested 18 footers with a full shot clock. Sit him down once in a while jay. As a team the raptors have gotten significantly worse as the year has went on, but barbosa and kleiza are out.. plus weems was out for about 20 games. A lot of injuries, but overall jay is not the coach of the future. They need someone that will make these guys play some D, and it starts with bargnani.. I feel like he could be a really good player if he had a popovich type coach to teach him. He needs to be motivated, not unlike turk( who is much better under stan the man)
overall awful team and coach, common kyrie!!!
Im not sure Calderon is even a better player than Jerryd Bayless.
I think Bayless is a better player for sure
well jose gets others involved, whereas jerryd mainly looks for his own offense. The offense runs a lot smoother with jose in the game, but jerryd can get them buckets if they need it a lot easier
Bayless plays a lot better as a starter than off the bench, whenever hes coming off the bench, it seems like he forces too many things cause he wants to play more, but when he starts, he just seems to be in more control than he is normally
I don't watch the Raptors that much, but what you guys need is a defensive coach. Someone who can come in and just worry about the defensive side of the ball.
If I was the Raptors, I'd hire Charles Oakley, Rick Mahorn, Bill Lambier and Mike Brown (head coach) just because they preach defense and that's something that could help a team. Alot of teams can score, not to many can hold down a uptempo team and limit teams to 79-86 ppg a night. Gotta install defense
Yeah i can see why Jose would be starting since he runs the offense so well but he is also known for not playing defense. Bayless is a good defender and in order to get better at running an offense your gonna need to get minutes. Triano needs to give him more. Trading Bargnani might also be a good idea, colangelo should just scrap the whole euro ball team thing and get players who play both defense and offense.
I agree I can't stand Triano's way of coaching, for a coach that preaches a lot of offense and running they don't even do that well.
I just think he lacks confidence as a head coach and and has no real identity for this team. I would love to see a defensive coach for this team, and that we draft accordingly we could get two good players in the first round of this draft that fit the defensive style.
Whether it is at the end of the season or the middle I don't care I want Triano gone. He seems like a good guy (through interviews and stuff; plus he's from Canada which is a plus) but he's better suited as an assistant coach.
I say keep him. It's not his fault this team is so bad. They pretty much have the same record as they did last year with Chris Bosh, so are they actually doing beter? Everybody knows this team would be horribly defensively, so he throws in the zone to hide their flaws as bad man to man defenders. He gives guys minutes when they earn them(Julian and Ed Davis). Maybe he is playing the older guys to showcase them? I'd love to see the younger guys play, but the fact is those older guys will still be there and you arent gonna get rid of them if they are sitting on the bench.
In my mind, being a head coach on any proffesional team is a horrible job. You can get fired because your players(that you don't get to choose) play bad. I'd rather just be an assistant and be happy with my lifetime job.. Who ever hears of the assistant coach being fired?
We were 29 -23 last year at all star break. this year were gona be somewhere around 13-39 or 12-40. Thats not the same as last year at all lol.
Barg for Mayo, Thabeet, and a first round draft pick(s)
Conley - Vasquez
Henry - Allen
Gay - Young
Randolph - Barg
Gasol - Hadadi
Memphis: can let go or trade Randolph and get some back court help while having Barg as a future
Bayless - Calderon
Mayo - Barbosa
Derozen - Weems
Johnson - Davis
Ajinca - Thabeet - Alabi
Toronto: has a team they can build a round (Bayless, Mayo, Derozen, and Thabeet) and a big defensive center plus a(some) pick(s)
I like this trade but it leaves toronto really really raw down low. Our oldest big man would be 23 lol. Thats brutal, we might need to get a more experienced big man.
There is also Reggie Evans
DeRozan is best suited for the 2 spot I wouldn't do that trade.
Like I've said before Bargnani is a terrific 2nd scoring option on a team, I wouldn't build a franchise around him but if we can get an All-Star caliber player through the draft than I think he'd have some help.
Bargs is a terrible team defender but like stated above one-on-one he isn't as bad, he can block/alter shots. With a better surrounding cast defensively (mainly guards) he wouldn't look as bad defensively because he gets exploited a lot of the time by guards/forwards who get by Toronto's defenders and get to the rim.
As far as I'm concearned, let him finish the season, see how things shake and let him begin with next year but early if things aren't working...he's out. Unless a good coach pops up in the summer.
Anyone else tired of Weems, I know he just got back but he's a chucker.
I will say there is some hope for the Raps. Headed for a big pick, cap space, tpr and some tradeable assets reggie, barbosa and even Amir or Ed as I think they are much the same. Ed a little more D, Amir more O.
Dream for me would be to get Kyrie, trade for green (tpe or players whatever), over pay for Perkins a beast of a defensive center who has won and maybe just wants to get paid.
oh yah forgot about him. hes been injured for too long we need him back.
And yeh thats a good point that demar is a better suited 2 guard. it might be a bad idea to move him to 3.
I actually like that trade for us a lot..
but i feel Memphis is giving up way too much
Anyone else see a Jamario Moon comparison in Sonny Weems?
Both called up from the D-League, super-athletic, inconsistent jumpshot, afraid to take it to the rim at times for being so athletic.
Sonny Weems is MUCH better than Jamario Moon. Weems can take it to the hole more times than Moon ever could.
yeah jemario &$#%#&@! sucked haha.. sonny was looking real good last year, not too sure what happened to him. His midrange was automatic last year... not the case anymore but apparently he still thinks it is by the looks of how many shots he jacks up
Weems has a better mid-range game and better handles but both were pretty similar, I remember when Moon was being talked about around the league as a decent pick up.
Moon - 8.5 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 1.4 BPG
Weems - 10.7 PPG, 3RPG, 2.2 APG
Obviously I think Weems is a better all around player but Moon put up decent numbers for not playing consistent minutes for the Raps, he's a bum now but he played good for 1 season for us.