[piratejpParticipant]

Know this is unlikely, but if Philly’s bump from Simmons, Embiid & Saric is larger than most expect and maybe they slide a spot or three to end up outside top 10 picks in ’17….would Sacramento have to convey the Philly pick to the Bulls?

I only ask because Sacramento could conceivably go from having the top overall pick to no pick at all if that happened. I’m a Kings fan and I seriously almost want to see that simply for the ensuing shite-storm. It would be a fitting exclamation point on two historically inept ownership-front office pairings (and yes; the 2nd half of Petrie’s tenure qualifies), each of whom made a horrible, horrible trade.

I mean, Vlade would HAVE to go if that happened, right? Gotta think there’s no way Vivek doesn’t revert to his more ‘hands-on’ style…so one positive out of the deal already. Probably the end of Demarcus Cousins’ tenure in Sacramento as well. I don’t care what Boogie does elsewhere; never gonna work here & it is getting close to way past time to move on.

It must be so nice having a GM running your team who understands minor nuances like the salary cap, player development, consistent messaging and managing the draft stategically.
…guess we can’t be good at everything. Vlade sure is a a sweetheart though.

Can we just rename them the Sacramento Backyard Tire-Fires?
Make some lemonade out of that historic managerial ineptitude.

[Anton123Participant]

the swap is top 10 protected, which means that for Philly to get he picks, Sac’s pick needs to be outside the top 10. Then for Sac to lose the pick, it also needs to be otside the top 10.

Thus, if Sacramento ends up as one of the 10 worst teams in the league, they’re fine.

[negguaryParticipant]

the pick is top ten protected in regards to conveying it to the Bulls! In regards to the sixers there is no protection in swapping spots!  

[ashock34Participant]

 2017 first round draft pick to Philadelphia (swap, Philadelphia incoming)

Philadelphia has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Sacramento’s 2017 1st round pick protected for selections 11-30 (if this pick falls within its protected range, then Philadelphia’s swap right and Sacramento’s obligation to Philadelphia will be extinguished) [Philadelphia-Sacramento, 7/9/2015]

Now why is the Kings pick protected 11-30? Because they also have a deal in place with the Bulls that they send the Bulls the 2017 first round pick protected 1-10. If the Kings fall outside the top 10 in the lottery then the swap with Philly does not happen but they still have to ship the pick to the Bulls. Also if the Kings fall outside of the top 10 then the Sixers will get the pick unprotected in 2018. That might be even better for the Sixers since Boogie wont be playing in Sac town in 2017-2018. Trust the Process!

 

 

[publius2481Participant]

 If SAC’s pick falls into the protected range the obligation is extinguished, so Philly does not get anything in 2018 in that scenario.

[Bankroll PJParticipant]

 This may be slightly off topic, but if the Celtics get the top pick next year, I hope the Kings trade Cousins to the Celtics for that draft pick, Jaylen Brown, and Marcus Smart. The Kings need to hit the reset button BADLY and I think that’d be a good enough haul for them to replace Cousins.  He is not (and maybe will never be) mature enough to carry a franchise on his own.  Marcus Smart, Malachi Richardson, Jaylen Brown, let’s just say Harry Giles as that draft pick for positional purposes, and WCS would be a nice core to reset with…..but maybe that’s too smart of a move for Vlade to consider….being a Kings’ fan must be stressful lol. 

[TheWhiteLionParticipant]

 Would the celtics want to do that tho? The celtics just signed horford to this big deal and would now then have to move him out of position if they got cousins or move cousins out of position. And that move for the celtics would mess with their chemistry so much. Ok yes they receive a star player but in exchange for a #1 draft pick and two extremely hard-working and modest players, (and both r still young and could become very good players) is it worth it?

[Bankroll PJParticipant]

 The Celtics would finally have their superstar in Cousins. I don’t think their outlook changes much with Horford in the lineup as they’re still no match for the Cavs. A Cousins-Horford frontcourt may be an odd fit but it would give the Cavs and others in the East problems.  A lineup of Isaiah, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Cousins with Gerald Green, Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, Amir Johnson, and Olynk off the bench would be a very good and versatile team…. I think it’d be worth they try, but I can seee why others may not. 

[piratejpParticipant]

Yeah, being a Kings fan has been an adventure since the salad days of Weber & Co. The last few years the media kept talking about the poor 76er fans and how bad they had it. Are you kidding me? I wish Vivek had the balls to do what Philly did vs. the futile pursuit of mediocrity so he could have a successful arena launching. Maybe he can bring in Hinkie as an assistant to Vlade…you know, just like Vlade was for the guy he replaced.

Can we have a re-do and just let Seattle take the team please? I can’t afford to park downtown anymore and too many of my favorite music venues have closed.

As for the pick, no one has answered yet whether it would convey to the Bulls under my scenario. I don’t think it would, say if Kings & Philly swapped picks 1 & 11; in terms of the Bulls swap, the Kings would probably be credited with the 1st pick, not the 11th, regardless of where they actually pick. Not 100% sure on that though…anyone out there confirm one way or the other? Thanks.

[negguaryParticipant]

 it would go to the sixers because the sixers have the right to swap picks no matter what! Also, the Bulls don’t have the option to swap, but are owed a top ten protected pick. The only scenario where the pick would go to the Bulls and not the sixers is if the Kings pick falls outside of the top ten. In lament terms the sixers( heinke) fleeced the Kings! Think about this the sixers could win the championship and still get the first pick LOL!! 

[piratejpParticipant]

I know the Kinds pick would go to Philly…that’s kind of the whole premise. The question is would that pick the Kings got FROM PHILLY then convey to the Bulls if it were to fall outside the top ten?

Also, were you trying to say, ‘in layman’s terms’?

[negguaryParticipant]

Lol that question is a little above my pay grade for me to answer lol.  Great question/observation! 

[ashock34Participant]

 Here is a great site to go to about any teams future pick status.

Its RealGM.com and go to the header bar future drafts. It explains the whole sordid mess. Im a Sixer fan and I really am looking forward to the Kings imploding this year. Sorry King fans but you know. The simple truth is that the only way for the Kings to keep their pick is to finish with a better record than the Sixers and or more importantly a lottery pick in the top ten which is below the lottery pick the Sixers are awarded. If that happens then the Sixer/King swap is extinguished but…….. the pain does not end there. In 2019 the Sixers own the Kings first round pick unprotected! I love Vlade Divac.  

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 So lets say Kings pick is top 10 next season: the don’t have to give it to the bulls.

However if Kings get the1st or 2nd pick and philly gets the 5th pick the Sixers have the right to switch there pick with the Kings. 

and the only way they get to keep it from philly if it falls in the 11-30  range but in saying that then Chicago would get that pick..

So either way Kings end up with either no pick(if the fall outside top  10) or lower than the 76ers in next years draft …

Is that Correct?

 

  

[ashock34Participant]

My friends and I joke about the ‘BOOTY’, a menacing troll who is summoned by the extreme inepptitude of some NBA franchises. The Sixers have been menaced by the BOOTY for some time now, that is until the BOOTY killer Sam Hinkie came to town and slayed the beast! Now it appears that the BOOTY resides in Sacramento. I strongly advise your team to hire said BOOTY killer, Sam Hinkie as your only hope to slay this terrible troll.

Now to answer your question. For the Kings to keep their first round pick they must 1) Finish the season being one of the ten worst teams in the league.

2) Pray that after the lottery is drawn they end up with a post lottery position that puts them behind the Sixers own pick but still in the ten worst category. Then and only then will the Kings be able to keep their pick and the Bulls would end up getting a second rounder but more importantly their right to the Kings 2017 pick would be forfeited.

Please note however that the Sixers are still in line to get the Kings 2019 unprotected first rounder.  By then the Kings could be in full rebuild mode if unable to sign Boogie after this year. Kinda bleak hu? Hire Sam!

 

 

 

[ashock34Participant]

 P.S. If Sixers either are unable to or choose not to swap picks with the Kings in 2017, then that is the end of the ‘Sacramento Swap’ as it is known in Philly.

[ashock34Participant]

 P.S. If Sixers either are unable to or choose not to swap picks with the Kings in 2017, then that is the end of the ‘Sacramento Swap’ as it is known in Philly.

[ashock34Participant]

 P.S. If Sixers either are unable to or choose not to swap picks with the Kings in 2017, then that is the end of the ‘Sacramento Swap’ as it is known in Philly.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 to land the #1 pick in 2017, 2018 & 2019 w/ the 1st round pick of Other teams & Still have their Own pick.

If the Kings implode & land the #1 pick in 2017 – it goes to Philly.

If the Lakers fall outside the top 3 in the 2017 Draft (Which I highly doubt) the 76ers get that pick too. But if the Lakers keep their 2017 pick then Phila 100% owns their 2018 pick & the Lakers will still be very terrible (although they should have 2 Stars to build around + D’Angelo Russell) but they could conceivably finish last in 2018, get the #1 pick & it goes right to Phila & they Still have their Own 2018 – 1st round pick. Although I believe thy will be a playiff team in 2018.

In 2019, the Sixers own the Kings pick outright. B/c Boogie Will most likely leave after 2018 there is a Very good chance the Kings will be the worst team in the NBA & could easily get the #1 overall pick & guess what – it goes right to Philly. & once again they own their Own 1st round pick as well….

Ity’s a good thing Commisionaer Silver Forced the Sixers to fire Hinkie b/c if he was allowed to keep fleecing other NBA GM’s the 76ers may have built a Decade long Dynatsy.

 

 

 

 

 

[piratejpParticipant]

It seems like every question was answered in this thread but the one I actually asked.

With Rudy Gay going down (and nice job getting zero value for him Vlade…very Kings-like of you), there seems little chance the Kings fall outside the top 10 picks at this point…and thus won’t need to convey their own pick to the Bulls this year.

At the same time, the Sixers are clearly on the rise and can swap picks with the Kings. Does anyone know if the Sixers pick falls outside the top 10 whether the Kings would then have to convey that pick to the Bulls after the swap?

For example, the Kings have the 7th worst record and the Sixers have the 11th worst record at season’s end. If neither moves up in the lottery, would the Kings have to give the Bulls the 11th pick after they swapped with the Sixers because that pick is outside the top 10?

I don’t think they would, but but not 100% sure. Anyone out there know for sure?

Like I said before, almost hope the Kings lose the pick because of these moronic trades so as to accelarate an end to Vlade’s tenure as GM. Bring on Hinkie!!!

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

The Kings obligation to the Bulls must be settled before the Sixers come into the picture. If the Kings pick is in the top ten after the lottery then their obligation to the Bulls is null this year. If they then flip picks with the Sixers and end up outside the top ten they, the Kings, get to keep the pick.

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