Possible Combine measurement winners/losers
Victor Oladipo 6'5'' - If he measures 1 inch above his listed height it could be the difference between being a top 10 pick to a top 5 pick especially the way he has showed improvements in his ball handling and shooting in a recent workout.
Mason Plumlee 7'0'' - No one thought his brother Miles would made the leap to become a first rounder last year. If Mason measures to be a 7footer like his brother we could be talking a lock for the top 10 after the combine because he is just that athletic and skilled to be that size.
Archie Goodwin 6'5'' - A lot of knock on Goodwin is because he's not your prototypical 2 because he's listed at 6'4''. If he can measure in at 6'5'' we could be possibly see his stock skyrocket up the boards because he's a top 3 prospect athletically in this class.
Lorenzo Brown 6'5'' - Not that many 6'5'' PGs that come around year in and out.
Otto Porter under 6'8'' - Porter is already undersized as far as his build
Shane Larkin under 5'11'' - Great leader but it will help his case if he can measure as advertised or better.
CJ Leslie under 6'8'' - Very athletic and plays big on the boards but I think he comes in at 6'7''
Erick Green under 6'3'' - Not a true PG so this can hurt him bad
Good list. Not really a question concerning height, but if Shabazz Muhammad comes in lets say 15lbs lighter, does it make him a top 5 pick? And also would people consider him a 2 more so than a 3 if he does? I'd also like to add Ricky Ledo. A lot of people say he is 6'7 in shoes. If he measures out to this, how can he not be a 1st round pick? A 6'7 shooting guard that can handle the rock and has a jumper. While being pretty good athlete? I think if anything hurts Ledo, it will be his mindset and how well he interviews because this guy has the tools to be late lottery to mid 1st round pick.
I think Pierre Jackson will kill the combine athletically. My friend has been to a camp with him and said he isn't even sure if PJ is 5'9 let alone 5'10 so He will lose as far as body measurements but he is an athletic stud.
I think archie will measure out 6'5 plus in sneakers. He already came in at 6'5 in sneakers at nike hoop summit. plus he has a near 6'10 wingspan.
I think Oladipo will be 6'5 in shoes
I really want to see larkins true height. He seems real short out on the floor.I think his vert will be good though because he threw down with two hands this year really easy.
Also would really like to know Alex Len and Steven Adams true heights.
Steven Adams will skyrocket after the combine, I think he'll be the biggest winner.
That's what I'm thinking too. He not only is very strong and can jump but he is really fast and agile for a player his size.
I really want to see if he can dribble the ball at least decently.
I want to see who will be picked earlier Adams or Len.
I don't see Porter really measuring in as shorter than his listed height. At the very least, his standing reach appears to be very good for a SF. Maybe I'm wrong, but he looks like he has a really high standing reach for a SF to me.
Baked into the Cake. Even though these are interesting chats, the measuring tape and the combine mean little to nothing. A 5'9'' player is dominating this years playoffs. I clearly remember reading an article about some GM who was questioning if they would have drafted Durant because of his poor performance at the Combine. The rest is history.
Cody Zeller will be a winner if his armspan is longer than advertised.
I think the OP is putting too much stock in height. It's not how tall a player is, it's how big they play. Length matters. Athleticism helps too when estimating how much ground a player can cover.
Players aren't going to be challenging shots and getting into passing lanes using their heads.
Oladipo has above average length for a SG, even if he is closer to 6'3.
Plumlee's length has already been measured and it pretty much matches his height. Fortunately fro him, he has the athleticism to make up some for his lack of length.
Archie Goodwin has a 6'10 wingspan with very good athleticism. Nuff said. His size is fine. He just needs to add bulk and strength.
Otto Porter was already measured with a 7'1-'2 wingspan. I have no concerns about his size at all, just strength and maybe lateral quicks.
One loser will be Shabazz. last year he measured at 6'5". I still don't get how people think he's a 3.
He's got the bulk and the wingspan of a SF. The SF position is usually associated with players who have lesser ball skills compared to SGs, so that could be another reason. It think SF would be the easier position for him to defend given his middling lateral quickness, but I still think his best bet offensively will be to be defended by SGs so he can still have a length and size advantage. He can't choose who guards him though.
Siggy why don't you think bazz can play shooting guard?
I didn't say he couldn't. I think his best defensive position is SF, but offensively he'd better matched up vs SGs.
Ya but why can't bazz guard 2 guards? Because he's not quick enought defensively? Was that the case in high school? Why did he get such a good rep as a defender in high school and all of a sudden he's bad now. Also I don't remember him being the bad laterally at Gorman, yet at ucla he looked slow
Yes, because he's not quick enough laterally. He wasn't that great of a defender in HS, but could overwhelm HS guards with his length and size. He also has a competitive edge to him, but that shows more on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side, where it only shows up in spots.
He didn't look particularly quick laterally in HS or college.
Ya he was never particularly quick laterally, but you have to admit he showed better defensive potential not only with his length and strength but he was able to move his feet better also. Also a guy like draymond green, everyone has said he wasn't quick enough laterally to guard on the perimeter yet his defense has been impressive and mark Jackson has raved about it.
Well Shabazz would have to show consistent, all effort and attentiveness on defense like Draymond then.
Yes that's what I'm saying will be the main thing to focus on cause I don't see the laterally quickness being an issue. Has greens defense impressed you
I still see it being an issue. Green 's a good defender. Well schooled, as most Izzo guys are. He's smart, plays hard and he has the right temperament to be a good defender, but he's not without his physical limitations. Guys with quickness will still give him problems.
Ya but you didn't think that green could guard on the perimeter before the draft did you? Most saw him as a tweener who would struggle to guards both 3s and 4s. Shabazz doesn't have to be the quickest guy laterally if does other things in the defensive end. Otto porter isn't that good laterally yet he's one the better defenders in the draft. Guys like klay Thompson, durant, Jared Dudley don't move there feet all that well but are good defenders
Some players, not all. I saw him play defense in college and was aware of his defensive ability. I never doubt a Sparty's defensive ability. The laws of physics simply dictate that Draymond will have trouble with quick perimeter players.
I do doubt Shabazz' though not only because of the lateral quickness, but also because of his effort level on that end and awareness.
He could become a good one which is what you're getting at, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Ya his defensive effort a lot of the times depended on how he's doing on the offensive end and how many touches he's getting. He showed a lot better defensive effort and intensity at Gorman and most times checked the other teams best player. I have no doubt he can turn into a solid defender once he reaches the NBA and works with there coaching staff
I agree with you from the position aspect of Shabazz. I have always and will always see him as a 2 guard. Yea he may not be able to create for himself and needs to tighten his handle but I just can't see him as a 3. Unless he is playing with a shorter 2 guard like Eric Gordon. But I think Shabazz will come out a winner. The last time he was measured he was 6'4.5 barefoot. In shoes he was 6'5.75. So basically he is 6'6. On the other hand, the last time I saw Mclemore was measured he came out 6'4.5 in shoes. The measurements you can find at NBA DraftExpress. Don't know how long ago or how recent those measurements were though. Plus like Siggy said, lenght is what matters. and Muhammad has a 6'11.25 wingspan compared to Mclemore's 6'7 one. The only difference with Mclemore and Oladipo compared to Shabazz is that Shabazz is heavier. But I won't be surprised if Shabazz comes in lighter. He is a very hard worker and I still have faith in him that he will become the player everybody was hoping he would be in the league.
I hope Shabazz comes in with this kind of athleticism.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMj-W-7XISw
I don't think it will hurt his stock at all, but I'm interested to see if Burke measures under 6 feet. Also, Bennett will still be a top 5 pick, but I'm not even sure if he will get 6'7. Even if CJ Leslie measures shorter than advertised, I think that he will come out of the combine with some of the best athleticism scores that should solidify his draft position.
If the combine and measuring tape meant nothing, the NBA and NFL would stop using them. Sure there are other factors, but those lead to exceptions, not the general consensus.
To be fair the NFL is honest about it's measurements while the NBA fudge their numbers. Blake Griffin is 6'8.5 but 6'9.5 in shoes and then rounded up to 6'10, so in the NFL Blake would be 6'8 but in the NBA he's 6'10.
Jbulter, I didn't say NFL, fraction of a second means a lot. We all remember a guy by the name of, um wait I forgot..Joe Alexander. I he tore up the combine, but guess what, he sux and never even got his contract renewed!
anyone who actually plays basketball for real and NOT on xbox knows that an inch or 2 means nothing when you throw the ball out on the court.
Looking forward to to the athletic tests more than the measurements, most of these cats have been measured at the summer camps in previous years so isn't a whole lot of mystery there. I am interested to see how Olynyk measures up though.