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positional bests so far this year

So I kinda made my own little stat thing, combining your normal stats of points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, and turnovers (which are weighted differently for every position) with other things like FG%, % of games won when playing, and minutes played (to see how important to the team he is). In the end I come out with rankings at every position based on their play this year so far. So this is a ranking without looking at the past or future, their physical attributes, or how they "should" be playing. I just wanna get some feedback on how these seasonal rankings look so far (do you think they're accurate?). So just tell me what you think, and here they are (I'll do a top 10, some guys are missing due to injury and such).
PG:
1. Chris Paul
2. Russell Westbrook
3. Tony Parker
4. Stephen Curry
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Jrue Holiday
7. Mike Conley
8. Raymond Felton
9. Jeff Teague
10. Brandon Jennings

SG:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3. James Harden
4. Kevin Martin
5. Monta Ellis
6. JR Smith
7. Jamal Crawford
8. Klay Thompson
9. Joe Johnson
10. Andre Iguodala

SF:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Lebron James
3. Carmello Anthony
4. Rudy Gay
5. Luol Deng
6. Chandler Parsons
7. Paul George
8. Andre Kirilenko
9. Nicolas Batum
10. Paul Pierce

PF:
1. Blake Griffin
2. Zach Randolph
3. Serge Ibaka
4. Lamarcus Aldridge
5. Josh Smith
6. David West
7. Kevin Love
8. Thad Young
9. Kenneth Faried
10. Pau Gasol

C:
1. David Lee
2. Tyson Chandler
3. Al Horford
4. Tim Duncan
5. Dwight Howard
6. Chris Bosh
7. Joakim Noah
8. Marc Gasol
9. Brook Lopez
10. Deandre Jordan


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Never

Don't ever rank KD, or anyone for the next several years above LeBron.

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the list looks pretty

the list looks pretty accurate to me, the problem with ranking KD ahead of Lebron is that even though KD may be having his best season, the same can be said of LBJ.

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I would like to see your

I would like to see your formula. And hasn't Melo and LeBron been a PF all year? I'm just curious how they would rank as PF. If only turnovers are differentiated then could you make a list of everyone together? It would cool to see how yours and ESPNs PER compare.

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Durant is statistically

Durant is statistically better than Lebron this year. Period.

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How exactly? PPG -

How exactly?

PPG - Durant
FT/PG - Durant
BPG - Durant

APG - LeBron
RPG - LeBron
FG% - LeBron
TPG - LeBron
FPG - LeBron
PER - LeBron

3PTFG% - Push

Aside from blocks and free throws, LeBron does everything better statistically than Durant.

And if you want to look at the eye-test and put away the statistics for a bit:

Man2Man defense - LeBron
Post defense - LeBron
Fastbreak defense - LeBron
Controlling tempo - LeBron
Ball-handling - LeBron
Versatility - LeBron

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yeah, Lebron could win DPOY

yeah, Lebron could win DPOY this year, not sure if he will though. it seems like its so stat biased always going to the person with a lot of blocks or steals. the guy rarely fouls. that should be a stat they need to figure in.

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Where's Kyrie? He's missed a

Where's Kyrie? He's missed a chunk of games, but so has K.Love and you have him ranked.

Lowry > Dragic > Teague > Kemba > Jennings and Felton

Harden has been better than Wade this year.

Even if he has cooled off, you still can't discount Mayo's start. He's easily been a top 10 SG this yr.

Klay Thompson had a poor start to the season shooting the ball and he doesn't have enough of the peripherals to make up for that. I'd put DeRozan in his place. Man, the SG position sucks.

I'd have AK47 higher. He's having a terrific all-around season. I'd probably have him around 4 at SF. I'd bump Batum up too.

Tim Duncan's been playing more PF again this year alongside Splitter. He'd be my #1 PF.

Millsap? Garnett? Ryan Anderson? I'd rank those guys before I ranked Gasol, who's been awful.

David Lee's a PF.

Joakim Noah has been better than the 7th C in the league. Noah's been the one playing DPOY type defense, not Chandler. He's been better than Tyson Chandler for sure.

Where's Varejao? Al Jefferson? I'd rank them ahead of Deandre Jordan who is most definitely not a top 10 center. Heck, I'd rank Pekovic ahead of him too.

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Big Pek and Mayo

I'm wondering where Pekovic is, 16 ppg and 8 rpg and OJ Mayo at 18 ppg 3 rpg and 3 apg. Those guys have played way too good all year to get left off of a top 10 list.

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Varejao and Mayo were the

Varejao and Mayo were the first omissions that came to mind, but I didnt know what his formula entailed. Pekovic can go in here too.

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Since when was David Lee a

Since when was David Lee a center?

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i think the only thing i

i think the only thing i agree with on this list is that chris paul has been the #1 pg

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David Lee's a PF.

David Lee's a PF.

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Whatever you did with them

Whatever you did with them stats it didnt work.

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What about this man....

What about this man....

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everybody

What you people not undstanding is these ranking are mainly based on what a player brings to his team and winning factors in heavily. That's why you don't see Kyrie Irving or varajo or Monroe.

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winning

Yes, the main thing that drops players in my rankings would be winning. This is why a lot of great players on bad teams are dropped in my rankings. You have to be extremely good on a bad team to get high in my rankings, but whats the point of being good if your team sucks? I might have the winning percentage weighted too much though.

And to answer some other questions:

I put David Lee as a center because out of the 6 most played players on the warriors, only him and Landry were the only big men, and Landry is definitely not a center. If Bogut played more, Lee is definitely a power forward.

With Lebron and Melo, I think I'll always see them as small forwards, but its hard to judge them when they are so diverse. Lebron may make the full change this year if they can win playing small ball, but I think Melo will be playing a lot small forward with Amare coming back.

If Lebron, Melo, and Lee were ranked as power forwards, they would be ranked 1, 2, and 3 respectively, before Griffin.

And for the equations:
PPG= points per game
RPG= rebounds per game
APG= assists per game
SPG= steals per game
BPG= blocks per game
TO= turnovers per game
TW= team wins while playing
GP= games played
FG%= field goal percentage
MIP= minutes played

PG: =(((PPG+RPG*0.5+APG*2+SPG*2+BPG*0.5-TO*2)*(TW/GP))*FG%)*(MIP/(GP*40))
SG: =(((PPG*1.5+RPG*0.5+APG+SPG*1.5+BPG*0.5-TO*1.5)*FG%)*(TW/GP))*(MIP/(GP*40))
SF: =(((PPG*1.5+RPG+APG+SPG+BPG-TO*1.5)*FG%)*(TW/GP))*(MIP/(GP*40))
PF: =(((PPG*1.5+RPG*1.5+APG*0.5+SPG*0.5+BPG*1.5-TO)*FG%)*(TW/GP))*(MIP/(GP*40))
C: =(((PPG+RPG*2+APG*0.5+SPG*0.5+BPG*2-TO)*FG%)*(TW/GP))*(MIP/(GP*40))

The basis of the statistical weightings for each position is just from the prototypical needs at each position. Which is why assists are weighted more for point guards then centers and why blocks are weighted more for centers than point guards.

I have found my rankings are good for ranking elite players at one position but not for a large group of players at one position (% of games won weighs in quite a bit and can take away a lot from the actual stats of the player). But in the end, to be great you gotta be good and win, not just one of those.

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Okay I can respect this, I

Okay I can respect this, I honestly at first just thought you pulled names out of a hat. You should of explained this process in the beginning of the post. I still don't like that SG list tho and feel like Mayo and Turner should be on there but numbers don't lie.

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Mayo

Mayo is just outside of the top 10 SG, and the only reasons he is lower than guys like Johnson and Thompson is that he turns over the ball a lot and his team hasn't been winning much lately. If Dallas would have won 2 or 3 more games he would have surpassed both of these players with the numbers he has been putting up.

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Here we go with David Lee

Here we go with David Lee again. 20.2 ppg 11.1 rpg 3.7 apg on a 25-8 team, lol. But, hey, Thad Young is having a pretty good year.

edit: I see you put him as a center, Festus is their starting C.

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positions

Yeah, with some players it was hard to get a true position (Lebrom, Melo, Lee, and many others). What I did was take the 6 most played players per team and put one in each position and then with a variable 6th man that I put in the category that fits best for them.

For example, the Warriors top played players were Curry (PG), Thompson (SG), Barnes (SF), Landry (PF), Lee (C), and the 6th man is Jack (PG). I know Lee would usually play power forward with Bogut or Festus starting, but they didn't have any note worthy stats or minutes played. But the stats/formula is easily transferable and when you rank Lee as a power forward he would be ahead of Griffin, and thus the best so far.

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Despite Deron Williams'

Despite Deron Williams' struggles shooting the ball this year, he is still a top 10 point guard. He's at least better than Teague.

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williams/teague

The difference between Teague, Jennings, and Williams was very close (Deron is ranked 11th so far). Teague and Williams were very close in points, rebounds, and assists, but where Teague stood out and accumulated a higher score was that he averages more steals (which I use to rank defense in guards) and shoots a higher percentage (around 45% to Williams' 40%). Plus, Teague plays for a better team, as of now.

I am seeing that the main factor in why "better" players drop is due to their team's performance. And I think there is two trains of thought here, with one being that a good player should make his team better and thus create wins. The other group thinks that it's not the players fault that the rest of his team is bad lol.

But looking at my rankings, it looks like the win percentage is weighted to much and I might have to alter that a little because there isn't a huge differences between the winning percentage of Teague and Williams, while arguably Williams has better stats.

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Trash

Trash

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update

Have you updated the stats?

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