[valentine]

I’d like to point out some interesting statistics regarding +/- which I believe is the best way of determining which players are deserving of minutes on a team. Note that none of these guys are considered the stars of their team….

Atlanta – Despite Kyle Korver being the "4th All-Star" on the hawks, he is by far their leading +/- Guy

Boston – Is 2.2 ppg better when Kelly Olynyk is on the floor. Tyler Zeller is last in +-

Charlotte – Many people thought Lance Stephenson was a great FA signing…but he is dead last on his team in +-

Cleveland – Iman Shumpert is killing team chemisty. -4.5. LBJ first at +7.6

Detroit – Everyone loves to talk about inefficient Brandon Jennings is, but he’s leading Detroit in +-

Houston – Advanced Stats buffs will take great pleasure in seeing that Houston is -6.9ppg when Josh Smith is on the floor…wonder if thats worse than his time in Detroit.

Utah – Dante Exum leads Utah in +- per 36mins. How can this be over such a large sample size and league-low PER? Utah are significantly worse when Trey Burke and the Stifle tower are on the floor. 

Thoughts on +-…..?

How much can be read into the stats?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

Because most of it doesn’t have to deal with one player.   It’s rotations and such…  If a team like the Knicks play the Cavs then most of the starters will be negative.   Flip that to the bench rotation and the Knicks bench players might go on a few runs…   Those players might end up in the positive, but their team lost.  

Ideally, Plus or Minus is one of the worst advanced stats out there.   It’s should only be used if the numbers are really THAT significant compared to other bench players on the team (if they come off the bench) or other starters (if they start).   Usually the eye test can tell you if a player is productive or not, plus or minus has too many other varibles that’s out of player’s control.   

 

[tuck243Participant]

Because most of it doesn’t have to deal with one player.   It’s rotations and such…  If a team like the Knicks play the Cavs then most of the starters will be negative.   Flip that to the bench rotation and the Knicks bench players might go on a few runs…   Those players might end up in the positive, but their team lost.  

Ideally, Plus or Minus is one of the worst advanced stats out there.   It’s should only be used if the numbers are really THAT significant compared to other bench players on the team (if they come off the bench) or other starters (if they start).   Usually the eye test can tell you if a player is productive or not, plus or minus has too many other varibles that’s out of player’s control.   

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 +/- is only valuable in significant minutes. It only implies the player has been playing well (terrible) with a certain lineup. That is all. I don’t think it’s correct to draw conclusions for a single player from this stats, but there are certain obvious things… like Stephenson being a terrible fit for the Hornets.

Edit: All stats can only be generalized when the player receives big minutes. It’s not OK to compare per 36 stats of a player averaging 30mpg with another one averaging 15mpg.

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 +/- is only valuable in significant minutes. It only implies the player has been playing well (terrible) with a certain lineup. That is all. I don’t think it’s correct to draw conclusions for a single player from this stats, but there are certain obvious things… like Stephenson being a terrible fit for the Hornets.

Edit: All stats can only be generalized when the player receives big minutes. It’s not OK to compare per 36 stats of a player averaging 30mpg with another one averaging 15mpg.

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I am guessing that Shump played with some junked up second units.  Dellavadova was even out some of those games so he was probably involved with lots of bad lineups.  

It is probably better to look at five man LINEUPS in terms of +/-.  

And then, who is the best STARTING FIVE in terms of plus/minus?

What is the best Five Man Bench Unit in terms of plus/minus?

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I am guessing that Shump played with some junked up second units.  Dellavadova was even out some of those games so he was probably involved with lots of bad lineups.  

It is probably better to look at five man LINEUPS in terms of +/-.  

And then, who is the best STARTING FIVE in terms of plus/minus?

What is the best Five Man Bench Unit in terms of plus/minus?

 

 

 

 

 

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 As Memphis Madness said, the raw data has little value. For instance DeAndre Jordan without Chris Paul would be far less useful because he needs to be setup for lobs to score. But 5 man lineups don’t generate large enough sample size except for maybe a couple combinations. 

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 As Memphis Madness said, the raw data has little value. For instance DeAndre Jordan without Chris Paul would be far less useful because he needs to be setup for lobs to score. But 5 man lineups don’t generate large enough sample size except for maybe a couple combinations. 

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